Is Zeke still or no longer among most explosive RBs in NFL?

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Linehan did fine with Murray, McFadden, and Zeke. Our RBs flourished under him. Things started to change once Zeke lost his burst.

Linehan did fine with Murray in 2014, but Murray wasn't here in 2018,... and Zeke was a 2 time NFL rusher, was here in 2018. And so was Linehan,, and he has to best deal with and
place his finest players in the best situations where they can best excel. Throwing on all three downs at the darn goal line isn't allow your all star RBs to flourish.
You line up at the goal line and stay to what was your identity as a team and do what you do best. Not just the opposite.
 

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Linehan did fine with Murray in 2014, but Murray wasn't here in 2018,... and Zeke was a 2 time NFL rusher, was here in 2018. And so was Linehan,, and he has to best deal with and
place his finest players in the best situations where they can best excel. Throwing on all three downs at the darn goal line isn't allow your all star RBs to flourish.
You line up at the goal line and stay to what was your identity as a team and do what you do best. Not just the opposite.

So, 4 out 5 seasons with a 1,000+ yard rusher, with 3 different RBs, and Linehan gets no credit here? It seems you made a thread questioning Zeke, but you aren't exactly wanting any answers.

Zeke is part of the problem.
 

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I subscribe to the Bill Parcells way of thinking.... you know the ol'... you are what your record says you are. Lets face it, Zeke has not done anything this seaosn to make you go...whoa, that was bad arse. He has just looked like a decent back, certainly not even close to Cmac, or Delvin Cooke. I cant exp-lain it. He is damn you still..... waiting for thise big, explosive plays he USED to do weekly.
 

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Is zeke still.. or no longer among most explosive long run RBs:

I've seen backs like Barkley, McCaffrey, Cook and Chubb breaking the big long runs/TD or
making the breakaway TD plays that make them the more feared RBs to have to face
- and we have to face 2 of those in the next 3 weeks.

and frankly we haven't seen zeke break the big long as he had his first two years in NFL.
I only have guesses and theories as to why that has changed but this is how I see the best, most dangerous breakaway RB's in the NFL now.

The best breakaway explosive RBs in the NFL today ?

1 Saquon Barkley NYG

2 Christian Mccaffrey Carl

3 Davin Cook Minn

4 Alvin Kamara Saints ?

5 Nick Chubb Clev

6 Tevon Coleman ATL

7 Leonard fournette JAX

8 Aaron Jones GB ? (vs pass)

Marlon Mack Indy

10 Zeke ??

I dunno what has happened to Denver's Phillip Lindsay as once a breakaway threat his rookie has completely fall off the map. and has Kamara's injuries served as a setback in lesser
breakaway big plays than previous years ?

really Chubb? Courtnette...two of the most over rated RBs
So is Coleman.....

And let's cool off on Aaron Jones.....let him gain a few tough yards first before annointing him anything

I swear cowboys fans are :confused:
 

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That's Barkley and the Giants problem. and Zeke was already producing at the level of the top rusher before Barkley even entered the league.
Now we want to take away this and that to equalize what Barkley has done ?

and the RB position has translated into wins here in Big D" before. Even before the dayz of Prescott/Elliott arrived. Even though you'd have to go as far back the early 90's to
find an example how the RB -especially a lead leading RB- translated wins for us,..SB wins at that.

Now about this Cowboys era and translation of wins ? You may have to also translate how the head coaching was much a toll different and better than we are seeing nowadays with the current HC.

The ax has been filed down to a pocket knife. Comparing Zeke to these other backs, makes no sense to me. If they are not running same scheme, using same plays, using same line, etc. The arguments are fruitless.

All body types are different. Each players mindset is different. Abilities, are different, and everyone's perception is different. You don't compare a mudder, to a racer.

If you watch him in college, he is the same player. Ohio States' championship run featured, great scheme and line play. Dallas line is not the same as it was during his rookie year. Less gaping holes to run through.
 

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really Chubb? Courtnette...two of the most over rated RBs
So is Coleman.....

And let's cool off on Aaron Jones.....let him gain a few tough yards first before annointing him anything

I swear cowboys fans are :confused:

judging by some of the overreactions i'm seeing , i'm guessing soem here are getting confused with the guys i've mentioned that either have or starting to make " splash" plays ..the explosive plays .vs best overall backs ..Aaron jones doesn't even start as i'ev seen Jamal Williams startign while Jones comes in relief (much like Tony Pollard should be in this role) but there's no denying that he has explosive capabilities to break big ones and we're seeing that from him more and more

as much as i hated to admit it, someone pointed it out to me in a zeke discussion threat awhile back, he only had one play for only 40 yrds in 2018, ..and some people can keep saying he was never that explosive but we could saying the same thing about the tevon coleman aaron jones Fournettes, chubb, and yet we keep seeing these guys running off the explosive splash plays and nowadays that's becoming less and less a sight with zeke.
, its a reason why he dominated Bama for over 200 yds, was the no.4th overall pick in 2016 draft, .and why he persistently showed us over and over why he was elite in big splash plays his rookie year with 50-60 yrd runs and homerun quick screen passes. He already had that in his ability coming into the NFL draft.

and keep in mind the topic isn't who's best and ranked overall RBs.. but it's about the splash plays, the breakaway plays the 20- 30+ plays ....and why we are not seeign that from zeke who took the league by storm in that area in his rookie year.
 

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So, 4 out 5 seasons with a 1,000+ yard rusher, with 3 different RBs, and Linehan gets no credit here? It seems you made a thread questioning Zeke, but you aren't exactly wanting any answers.

Zeke is part of the problem.

its a reason why the guy you are wanting to get credit for ..is no longer here.
and it seems for all that credit, he was more and more getting away from made him have success in the early years - in terms using zeke's knack for goal line TDs.
i'm questioning zeke in that one area of his game, but giving me a failed and fired Scott Linehan as an "answer " doesn't sound like a very formidable one at all.
But i do thank you and respect your view and opinion nevertheless
 

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its a reason why the guy you are wanting to get credit for ..is no longer here.
and it seems for all that credit, he was more and more getting away from made him have success in the early years - in terms using zeke's knack for goal line TDs.
i'm questioning zeke in that one area of his game, but giving me a failed and fired Scott Linehan as an "answer " doesn't sound like a very formidable one at all.
But i do thank you and respect your view and opinion nevertheless

I have never stated Linehan was a great play caller - I think he is a mediocre to good one. I also don't see THAT much of a change from him to Kellen Moore, which tells me Garrett still has a large say in what goes on with the playcalling. The Saints game sure as heck looked like a Linehan offense, yes?

Zeke, Garrett, Linehan, Dak, etc. are all pieces to the problem. I don't single anyone out, just some are becoming the scapegoat while others are getting big contracts. The quicker you get it through your head that Zeke is not some generational back and Dak is Alex Smith with a Marvin Lewis HC, you'll start to see why we aren't making it to the big dance.
 

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I have never stated Linehan was a great play caller - I think he is a mediocre to good one. I also don't see THAT much of a change from him to Kellen Moore, which tells me Garrett still has a large say in what goes on with the playcalling. The Saints game sure as heck looked like a Linehan offense, yes?

Zeke, Garrett, Linehan, Dak, etc. are all pieces to the problem. I don't single anyone out, just some are becoming the scapegoat while others are getting big contracts. The quicker you get it through your head that Zeke is not some generational back and Dak is Alex Smith with a Marvin Lewis HC, you'll start to see why we aren't making it to the big dance.

i do right away - and a very common sense one, Run Zeke the Damn Ball in Goal Line
6 total rushing TDs in 2018 under Linehan
already 6 TDs at just the middle of the season
... instead of a declining nincompoop that want to throw it at the 5 or 6 yard line instead of powering to zeke.

i dunno what Kellen M . will eventually become, but thus far at least he's already got the message in his rookie OC head that his fired predecessor you don't de-emphasize and get awa yfrom your indentity- especially in red zone and goal line situations
 

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i do right away - and a very common sense one, Run Zeke the Damn Ball in Goal Line
6 total rushing TDs in 2018 under Linehan
already 6 TDs at just the middle of the season
... instead of a declining nincompoop that want to throw it at the 5 or 6 yard line instead of powering to zeke.

i dunno what Kellen M . will eventually become, but thus far at least he's already got the message in his rookie OC head that his fired predecessor you don't de-emphasize and get awa yfrom your indentity- especially in red zone and goal line situations

Zeke had 15 TDs in 2016. He wasn't against running Zeke at the goal line. Zeke had 7 TDs in 10 games in 2017.

Murray had 10+ TDs in 2014. He wasn't against running Murray at the goal line.
 

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Zeke stats for 3 seasons and 7 games

1003 att. 4650 yards. 4.6 yards/attempt

Emmitt stats for 3 seasons and 7 games

1130 att. 4959 yards 4.3 yards/attempt

How about showing the TD numbers? Getting the yards is nice, but if you aren't scoring, then its not much use. Moving the chains and scoring TDs, making the big plays that win the game for you team is what separates the good from the great.
 

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Zeke stats for 3 seasons and 7 games

1003 att. 4650 yards. 4.6 yards/attempt

Emmitt stats for 3 seasons and 7 games

1130 att. 4959 yards 4.3 yards/attempt

It should also be noted that I don't think Emmitt started or started getting lots of carries until a few games in.
 

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Zeke had 15 TDs in 2016. He wasn't against running Zeke at the goal line. Zeke had 7 TDs in 10 games in 2017.

Murray had 10+ TDs in 2014. He wasn't against running Murray at the goal line.

Murray was 5 years ago, .. and he is gone.....and zeke is still here. Even Murray's club single season yards record doesn't matter because they allowed him to walk via FA when the 2014 season was over .
so i'm not understanding why are we bringing up Murray now, when the issue is more zeke and the best use ..vs mis-use of him.
 

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Dak likes to keep the ball on zone reads near the goal line so that will take some TDs away from Zeke. As long as we score TDs I don’t care who scores them. But from my eyes Zeke is good at moving the chains. He can make loss into a one or 2 yard gain which may not seem like a lot but it sure helps at moving the chains. But I still would like to see the staff be a little more creative with the run game instead of having so many slow developing handoffs right up the gut.
 

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Murray was 4 years ago, .. and he is gone.....and zeke is still here. Even Murray's club single season yards record doesn't matter because they allowed him to walk via FA when the 2014 season was over .
so i'm not understanding why are we bringing up Murray now, when the issue is more zeke and the best use ..vs mis-use of him.

So, Linehan proved for a stretch of years he's okay with running the ball at the goal line, yet because ONE SEASON where Zeke had low TD totals (let's stop pretending Zeke didn't leave meat on the bone here), Linehan didn't like running the ball within the 10 yard line? Come on man, give me a break.

Your scapegoat is gone. Our coaching staff is the epitome of mediocrity, Zeke is no Smith/Sanders, and Dak isn't Aikman. It's a group of mediocre players with one talented RB that isn't transcendent.
 

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So, Linehan proved for a stretch of years he's okay with running the ball at the goal line, yet because ONE SEASON where Zeke had low TD totals (let's stop pretending Zeke didn't leave meat on the bone here), Linehan didn't like running the ball within the 10 yard line? Come on man, give me a break.

Your scapegoat is gone. Our coaching staff is the epitome of mediocrity, Zeke is no Smith/Sanders, and Dak isn't Aikman. It's a group of mediocre players with one talented RB that isn't transcendent.

There is only current NFL QB that has more wins than Dak since Dak has been in the league .and thats Tom Brady
Tell me a non-generation back in this decade that has led the league in rushing 3 out of his first 4 years in the NFL
and you have eyes of your own and anyone can still remember him in games like Seattle in 2017, where he's throwing on all three downs at the 4 yrd line
and again the same RB you're seeing thundering in and runnning over DEs into the end zone was the same one that Linehan had at his disposal ..and
still didnt seem remember how to best utilize him
but with you, i see how this is getting away from just zeke ..and into Dak ..and into Garrett ..and so what is next ? Jerry ? Stephen ?
 

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There is only current NFL QB that has more wins than Dak since Dak has been in the league .and thats Tom Brady
Tell me a non-generation back in this decade that has led the league in rushing 3 out of his first 4 years in the NFL
and you have eyes of your own and anyone can still remember him in games like Seattle in 2017, where he's throwing on all three downs at the 4 yrd line
and again the same RB you're seeing thundering in and runnning over DEs into the end zone was the same one that Linehan had at his disposal ..and
still didnt seem remember how to best utilize him
but with you, i see how this is getting away from just zeke ..and into Dak ..and into Garrett ..and so what is next ? Jerry ? Stephen ?

LOL oh, I guess that means Dak is better than Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Brees, Rivers, and Big Ben. We have also already been over why Zeke leads in rushing.

Again, it seems you started a thread asking a question but you don't want an answer. Why even make the thread? You've come to a conclusion on your own, so how about spitting it out?
 
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