The missing ingredient to success

CouchCoach said:

First of all, a little background. I spent most of my career training salespeople and sales managers and part of that deals with what motivates people. Not just the people that worked for me but the people they were trying to convince to make a change. And that's the root of sales, asking people to make change, one of the single hardest things for them to do.

A lot of research has been done with what motivates people to make a change. Is it the desire to gain or the desire to avoid pain? In my experience, the avoidance of pain is far greater because the perception of that is real and gain is yet to be realized.

CC, what's you point? Glad you asked. What's missing with the Dallas Cowboys and has been except when Johnson and Parcells were in place? FEAR

Under the Joneses, where is the fear of failure? That fear is far more motivating for players than the desire to win. That is the driving force in comebacks and the reason the other team doesn't stop the comeback, they do not have enough fear.

If a player doesn't do his job with the Cowboys, what happens? Did you catch Booger in All or Nothing making excuses for Elliott because "he's been through a lot"?

The only coaching change that can really make a difference is one where the HC is allowed to use fear. As mild mannered as Phillips was, he wanted to at least increase fines but was not allowed to do so.

Have you asked yourself why was Parcells able to take Campo's team and turn that around in his first season? Enter fear. Then ask yourself, how was Phillips able to take Parcells team and turn that around? Exit fear. Fear isn't a constant, it has to be used by those who know when to press it and when to back off. Too much fear, risk a shutdown. Not enough fear, risk complacency and good enough is good enough.

Our problemo, mi amigos, is how does fear come to the Cowboys when the owner wants a happy house?

BTW, that Vikings game. Which team do you think had the fear of losing. The team that has the GM that makes excuses for the players or the team that has the HC that openly told his team "no one cares you're beat up and playing on 5 days rest"? All comes down to the same thing, getting the best out of your team and fear has to be present to accomplish that.

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erod said:

I have a different take on it with the people I've managed.

If I have to employ fear, I just fire them. You can't fix lazy or stupid. I prefer well-intentioned people I can help and motivate.

Now, if they're upper management types with contracts and salaries, then yes, I would employ fear. But almost without exception, I've never put anyone in a position like that if they required that approach.

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Whyjerry said:

Fella you know I hate Jerry. I think he has been a colossal failure as a GM. You can say keeping Garrett is the GM and that is a failure.

That said you have to admit the roster is the not the issue right now. Thank McClay Or however but the roster is not the issue right now.

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Hook'em#11 said:

Nothing changes until the Jones' no longer own the Cowboys. The morons sitting , waiting for Jerry to pass or retire, will keep running this cash cow to the ground.

THERE is the problem.

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Keithfansince5 said:

The roster is a big reason. It is simply not as good as you and many fans think. Thank the media for always telling us how good the talent is. Well, on defense it isn't. The Dl is bad. Only DLaw and Bennett are good. The rest are JAGS. The LB's are really not that good. Potentially they could be but in reality they are not. The safeties are bad. Only 1 corner is good. Awuzie is bad. So the defense is average not good or great. Occaisionally they rise up and make good or great plays, but not consistently enough. Teams who can run up the middle can demolish our defense. Thankfully not all teams can do this but the better teams can.

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Whyjerry said:

You are wrong. This is a talent laden defense. I will give you the Ss being bad and they need a legit DT but there is enough there to me good. The LBs should be great. The problem in Dallas is these guys are all under coached and schemed for.

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CouchCoach said:

I don't think they're morons, it's entertainment to them. We have posters here, every bit as pissed about how this club is run, that still financially support it. That's a personal choice about entertainment and for some people it's about the experience with family or friends, not so much about the results of the game.

Hooker, some watch them to see them play and some watch to see them to win.

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stilltheguru said:

The eagles don’t fear Doug Peterson and they won. Seahawks didn’t fear Carroll and they should’ve won back to back. Broncos didn’t fear ...........basically stop trying to low key jock the Patriots. They are the only fear based team that wins

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Jake said:

I can't believe we still get that line here. Jerry Jones and "the GM" are not separate entities.

I'd call BS on that excuse anyway. This GM hasn't come close to winning anything in over 2 decades, despite multiple coaching changes. Point to another GM who is allowed to fail for so long and still have his job.

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Keithfansince5 said:

I understand you want them to be good so they are to you. However, statistically they are not. PFF focus thinks they are mostly jags too.

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CouchCoach said:

First of all, a little background. I spent most of my career training salespeople and sales managers and part of that deals with what motivates people. Not just the people that worked for me but the people they were trying to convince to make a change. And that's the root of sales, asking people to make change, one of the single hardest things for them to do.

A lot of research has been done with what motivates people to make a change. Is it the desire to gain or the desire to avoid pain? In my experience, the avoidance of pain is far greater because the perception of that is real and gain is yet to be realized.

CC, what's you point? Glad you asked. What's missing with the Dallas Cowboys and has been except when Johnson and Parcells were in place? FEAR

Under the Joneses, where is the fear of failure? That fear is far more motivating for players than the desire to win. That is the driving force in comebacks and the reason the other team doesn't stop the comeback, they do not have enough fear.

If a player doesn't do his job with the Cowboys, what happens? Did you catch Booger in All or Nothing making excuses for Elliott because "he's been through a lot"?

The only coaching change that can really make a difference is one where the HC is allowed to use fear. As mild mannered as Phillips was, he wanted to at least increase fines but was not allowed to do so.

Have you asked yourself why was Parcells able to take Campo's team and turn that around in his first season? Enter fear. Then ask yourself, how was Phillips able to take Parcells team and turn that around? Exit fear. Fear isn't a constant, it has to be used by those who know when to press it and when to back off. Too much fear, risk a shutdown. Not enough fear, risk complacency and good enough is good enough.

Our problemo, mi amigos, is how does fear come to the Cowboys when the owner wants a happy house?

BTW, that Vikings game. Which team do you think had the fear of losing. The team that has the GM that makes excuses for the players or the team that has the HC that openly told his team "no one caresmel you're beat up and playing on 5 days rest"? All comes down to the same thing, getting the best out of your team and fear has to be present to accomplish that.

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CouchCoach said:

I don't think they're morons, it's entertainment to them. We have posters here, every bit as pissed about how this club is run, that still financially support it. That's a personal choice about entertainment and for some people it's about the experience with family or friends, not so much about the results of the game.

Hooker, some watch them to see them play and some watch to see them to win.

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CouchCoach said:

Disagree that Pederson and Carroll do not use fear in their motivation.

Do you think when Wentz went down and they lost a couple of other key players and had to rely on backups that he didn't employ the fear of failure, the fear of losing to get his team to play at that level? They had the fear of letting their teammates down and if you think he didn't use the fear of disappointing a very loyal fanbase and a city when they were so close, I think you underestimate him.

Right now, McVay is trying to use the fear of embarrassment of being a team not even to get back to the playoffs to avenge their loss. Quinn used fear in going to N'awlins Sunday and Vrabel used that with the Titans against a superior opponent on paper. The Titans had the greater fear of losing.

Last night, Shanahan used the fear of losing that perfect record to get back in that game. On Saturday, Orgeron used the fear of letting it get away to get LSU to stand tall when Bama was coming back.

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Diehardblues said:

Yea, winning just makes it more fun.

But the Dallas Cowboys are all about one thing. Jerry Jones.

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