Should the Cowboys have drafted Dalvin Cook?

I don't understand what good it would have done to draft cook ....... Don't we waste enough good players with this censored coaching staff.

xwalker said:

The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?

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It would have been stupid to draft Cook in 2017.

Zeke was coming off a special rookie season and actually looked like a playmaker then.

Also Zeke already represented overkill at a position you should invest minimally in. Cook would have been organizational malpractice.

The fact that Taco did not work out does not make your idea any less stupid.

xwalker said:

The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?

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Id much rather have Cook on a rookie contract than pay Zeke. I like Zeke but no. Cook had a whole nother level of burst.

I know Im over reacting to one game though. The difference was night and day. Obviously there's a lot more that goes into running the ball. Id just like to see Zeke displaye some of the juice we saw in 2016. Back then it felt like he might take it to the house every time he touched the ball. I dont feel that way any more, but Cook reminded me what it feels like.

xwalker said:

Without the injury issues, they could likely have has Cook for a couple of years and then traded 1 of them for a 1st round pick.

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Traded one of them for a 1st round pick?

What NFL are you watching?

Wait did you think you logged into your Madden dynasty league forum?

What makes you think a RB about to hit free agency as you suggest would command a 1st?

Bell who was the most productive back in football since he joined the league couldn't fetch a 1st.

Nobody was interested in grabbing Gordon for anything.

Neither of their clubs wanted to give them big deals.

But magically the Cowboys could have traded one of their guys who would have been in a committee which means their stats would have been comparably pedestrian would suddenly have commanded a 1st rounder and a big contract extension?

Dude I keep it real...you don't even keep it realistic.

xwalker said:

The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?

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Yeah, in hind sight.
Idiot

It wouldn't have mattered, Garrett would've figured out how to ruin him too.

JustChip said:

No, he’s not a trash player, but you have to be an NFL referee not to see that Zeke has lost some of his explosiveness. That alone doesn’t define a running back, but it does raise concerns to me.

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I've got my concerns, too. But I am pretty sure this team can change from top to toe with different coaching staff.

A coach who will change the mentality, bring creativeness to the OL and RB play, involve the RB in the passing game may do wonders with this talented group.

xwalker said:

The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?

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Cook would have gotten 2 series a game the last 2 years, the screaming that the pick was wasted would be deafening... even worse than with Taco and it would have changed nothing with the contract or holdout.

Cooks combine time was 4.49, Zekes 4.48, Barkley 4.41!

ClappingCarrot said:

Seems like an overreaction. I'd be willing to bet that Cook won't even get an extension in Minnesota.

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With the way Zeke, Gurley and Bell have performing, no RB is ever getting paid again

xwalker said:

The Cowboys had pick #28 and #60 for the 1st and 2nd rounds respectively in 2017.

Dalvin Cook was drafted at #41.

I posted back then that if he dropped to #60 that the Cowboys should definitely draft him.

I also said that they should consider him at #28 or with a trade down from #28 or trade up from #60.

Most replies were that it was not a good idea and would be over-kill at the RB position. People also said the RB position is not valuable.

Cook had injury issues his first 2 seasons; however, just based on talent it would have been a good move in retrospect.

A healthy Cook coming into this season would have meant either the Cowboys would let Zeke holdout OR Zeke would not have held out.

Cook's speed/explosiveness looks better than Saquan Barkley to me...

The Cowboys drafted Taco at #28 that year...

Who would or would not have drafted Cook?

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No, No, and NO

Elliot had just won the rushing title as a rookie, considering their needs, they should've went with TJ Watt at 28. I dont think he's a DE but considering how they've played randy Gregory he couldve been a pass rusher and develop and get stronger. And at 60 JuJu.

Could stomach Marlon Mack in rd 4 then Cook 1-2

pupulehaole said:

Should the Dallas Cowboys have drafted Tom Brady?

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if they had he would have never got off the bench. no talent and low draft pick, maybe even wound up on practice squad.

J12B said:

With the way Zeke, Gurley and Bell have performing, no RB is ever getting paid again

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yeah true, but all those guys were problems waiting to happen, and they were paid based on what they had done in past ,
not what they could do in future.
Gurley had the bad knee, Bell sat out a whole season lol, and ewok is a party boy with big ego who was in decline the previous
2 years.
I have to give the ewok credit though, he outsmarted the 2 jones boys lol!
he got more money from them than they ever paid any RB, because they still see 2016 ewok, not who he is now.

After this last game though I expect him to turn it up on the hapless lions next game.

pupulehaole said:

Should the Dallas Cowboys have drafted Tom Brady?

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Doesn’t matter, JG still couldn’t have won anything with him either

Why Cook though.

Could have been TJ Watt, Budda Baker, Ju Ju Smith Schuster, Kareem Hunt, George Kittle, Alvin Kamara, Dalvin Tomlinson, Ryan Ramczyk or Sidney Jones.

Dalvin Cook isn’t high on the list of guys I’d take if we had the pick again.

ClappingCarrot said:

Seems like an overreaction. I'd be willing to bet that Cook won't even get an extension in Minnesota.

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You’d be wrong.

This week...Kerryon Johnson will be the topic of discussion.

xwalker said:

You are expressing a Simpleton thought process.

I didn't say specifically draft Cook at #28.

He was drafted at #41.

They could have traded down from #28 or up from #60.

They were not "sold" on anybody at #28 and most of their draft fails the past decade have been when not everyone in the organization was "sold" on the pick.

There were questions about Watt and not just by the Cowboys.

In college Watt didn't play like a tradition 3-4 OLB or 4-3 DE. He was more like a 4-3 LB that was used as a pass rusher. Many of his pass rushes came when lined up behind the DL. His size to play 4-3 DE was legit question and we still don't know the answer to that; although, obviously even as a pass rush specialist in a 4-3 he would have more value than Taco.

Cook had early 1st round talent and that was a consensus by the draft media. He fell because of vague character concerns. His character concerns were minor compared to Randy Gregory's issues with Weed.

The Cowboys have built their offense around the running game and that was their plan when they drafted Zeke.

If a team is going to build their offense around the running game and pay big money to the OLine, then it's silly to depend on 1 player (Zeke) to the point that they struggled to function without him in 2017 and even with him when he was in a funk due to fighting against the suspension.

Examples of the Cowboys being "Sold" on their draft pick:
Everyone was "sold" on Zack Martin when they made that pick and they were sold on Travis Frederick to the point they figured they could trade down more and still get him but wanted the 5th year option because they were confident he would be a very good player. The were sold on picking Pollard in the 4th.

Example of the Cowboys waffling about who to pick:
Trysten Hill vs Somebody Else (Not everyone in the organization wanted to draft Hill at that pick).


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• Teams never regret drafting very good to great players.
• Both the Saints and Patriots gave up a 1st for Brandin Cooks but then got a 1st back.
• The Saints got 3 years of play from Cooks and then traded him for a 1st.
• The Patriots got a year of play from Cooks and then traded him for a 1st.

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LOL ..So again … why would we want to pick a featured starting RB in our very early high rounds,.. when we just drafted and highlighted No. 4 overall pick, All pro honors and NFL rushing leader stud ?
You just took zeke a year before in 2016 …he delivers big time…. But then we’re supposed to come right back the next year and draft another featured, starting RB very high in the draft ?
That was never going to happen with Cook, nor should it, imo

Of course Cook had his high draft grade per the Cowboys draft boards – that’s just what he rated and graded out as a pure player prospect. That doesn’t mean we were going to or have to take him
That’s why I don’t believe NFL teams exactly stick to their boards as always drafting the next best player on their board – regardless of position.
They will always say that, but they don’t execute that on draft day. Especially when it comes to their very early high round picks.

- When we drafted Zack Martin, I heard board posters gripe that we are “wasting’ a 1st round pick on an OG in the first round, when we just signed a couple of veteran FAs to plug
and start here (I think it was Livington & McKeazey ) but never did they think that scouts graded out Martin as a very exceptional OG, one that could very likely
carry instant All pro potential, dominant oriented, immediate plug and play starter ..as compared to decent only (JAG?) like vets.
In accordance to the value of their draft board vs what was already here , they couldn’t pass him up. And luckily Jerry resisted the urge to buckle the Martin.

- BTW, Jerry even admitted on national television that he coveted and wanted to draft QB Johnny Manziel in the 1st round, so that leads to tell that he wasn’t “ sold” on drafting Martin,
but he miraculously he gave in (cave in?) with the rest of War room crew.. and If there is a quality guy at that spot, in according to your value of your draft board, .. you take them.

- Also, I don’t believe in trading down just for the sake of trading down and compiling picks, giving up quality for the sake of quantity. We had a ton of quantity picks in 2009 and we flat blew it
with that entire draft class because we never came sniff close to anything worth quality 11 picks and every single one of them became worthless picks.

- There were questions about each and every candidate pick at #28, .. Watt, …Cook, …Kevin King… Taco …etc. there was even questions at another likely candidate
in UCLA’s DE Takken McKinsley, who was reportedly the guy the Cowboys were prepared to take at 28th before ATL jump skip ahead of them and snatch him from the Cowboys grasp.

- And spare me the TJ Watt’s 4-3 vs 3-4 excuses, that should be out of the window, - especially when the Cowboys drafted a 237 pound Randy Gregory coming out of Nebraska,
and immediately groomed him to be a 4-3 DE.
Watt was 15 pounds bigger than Gregory coming out of college. If we had the right defensive coach, he could have made the Watt situation happen, imo.

Toruk_Makto said:

It would have been stupid to draft Cook in 2017.

Zeke was coming off a special rookie season and actually looked like a playmaker then.

Also Zeke already represented overkill at a position you should invest minimally in. Cook would have been organizational malpractice.

The fact that Taco did not work out does not make your idea any less stupid.

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especially given he missed most of first 2 seasons while EE was dominating..

xwalker said:

Examples of the Cowboys being "Sold" on their draft pick:
Everyone was "sold" on Zack Martin when they made that pick and they were sold on Travis Frederick to the point they figured they could trade down more and still get him but wanted the 5th year option because they were confident he would be a very good player. The were sold on picking Pollard in the 4th.

Example of the Cowboys waffling about who to pick:
Trysten Hill vs Somebody Else (Not everyone in the organization wanted to draft Hill at that pick).


Last Issue

• Teams never regret drafting very good to great players.
• Both the Saints and Patriots gave up a 1st for Brandin Cooks but then got a 1st back.
• The Saints got 3 years of play from Cooks and then traded him for a 1st.
• The Patriots got a year of play from Cooks and then traded him for a 1st.

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- and I think we are gonna always keep hear this or that 'whisper ' from supposedly inside the Star or public comment (ala Broaddus) here or there about Who was or Who was not
was on board with this or that player at 1st round or 2nd round.

- we'll hear a Brian Broaddus say " everybody including McClay" was on board with the Taco pick ...vs what we'll hear a Mike Fisher report that NOT everybody was on board with the Taco pick.

- what tickles me every single time on boards like this is posters will insist during the NFL season or one or two years after a certain draft, that they were making a hard pitch for" this or that "
player at draft time - once they see that player balling and wowing the NFL season, because they are wishing for that " I told you so " attention that they never even put out there in the first place..
.. it hilariously kills me every year !

- with what the Pats/Saints did with Cook trades vs the Cowboys draft/trades .i dont even see it relevant to what that has to do with the Cowboys.

exciter said:

Cook would have gotten 2 series a game the last 2 years, the screaming that the pick was wasted would be deafening... even worse than with Taco and it would have changed nothing with the contract or holdout.

Cooks combine time was 4.49, Zekes 4.48, Barkley 4.41!

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- DeMarco Murray ran a 4.41 time at the NFL pre-draft workouts
.... vs Zeke's 4.47 in his 40-time. during pre-draft/NFL combine workouts..

I'm always looking at how these players' workout 40 times translate to the playing field.