Why the constant shotgun formation?

Diehardblues · Nov 14, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
of course it’s traditionally run from under center. I would have to see the numbers that say it’s less effective from shotgun than under center though.

It makes sense it would be.

atlantacowboy · Nov 14, 2019

jaythecowboy said:
There is no actual evidence in that article that says Dak can't operate from under center. Only that they don't call those plays for him.

Read the last paragraph. We don't call pass plays under center b/c Dak struggles on the 3 and 5 step drops. We literally only pass on play action and out of the shot gun. So, either Dak can't do it or Linehan and now Moore are complete idiots.

cern · Nov 14, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Thats what I was thinking. It’s pretty common for all teams isn’t it?

Yes it is. It just makes sense.

PUSHfold · Nov 14, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Because our QB since high-school can't pass under center.
He is so bad reading defenses and add to that his "Panic" syndrome the Shot-gun is mandatory for him as it gives him more time and better a view of the field.

Okay...I'm doing what I should've done two years ago and what I assume half of this forum has already done and finally put you on ignore. You literally never have anything of substance to add to the conversation and I mean that. You're a troll and you don't even try to hide it.

The best part of Dak being our QB it's not even that he's a good QB.(he is) It's knowing how badly a bunch of losers like you absolutely hate it. Hahaha, it reminds me of another situation here in America.

mmohican29 · Nov 14, 2019

Quickdraw said:
Landry brought the shotgun back to give Staubach an advantage. It was typically only used in 3rd and long yardage.

Why is this team now constantly going into shotgun formation on it seems, almost every play? What's with the quick trap out of the shotgun? Why be in the shotgun on short yardage plays? They even go into the shotgun inside the 5.

To me, being in shotgun formation tells your opponent what you're not going to do. It's easier for a defense to read what you're not going to do as opposed to what you are, which makes it all the more difficult to succeed..

Well, the Cowboys Madden20 playbook features the trap from several shotgun formations and it works wonderfully well, and Garrett is a fast study.

So there you are.

Flamma · Nov 15, 2019

Jake said:
True, but is being in shotgun so much hurting the run game? I think so.

Every handoff is deep, Zeke isn't getting a running start, and of course there's no fullback leading the way.

If you're going to run out of the shotgun, then yes, it will hurt the run game. But I believe Dallas still runs the ball from under center 70% of the time. For some reason they didn't against Minnesota.

The problem with this is Dak rarely passes from under center. So that pretty much gives away what we're going to do.

The shotgun was very popular going back to the 90s. Every team ran it except for the Cowboys during the Jimmy Johnson era. Not one play from shotgun.

jaythecowboy · Nov 15, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
Read the last paragraph. We don't call pass plays under center b/c Dak struggles on the 3 and 5 step drops. We literally only pass on play action and out of the shot gun. So, either Dak can't do it or Linehan and now Moore are complete idiots.

Like I said, they are just stating he can't do it with no evidence. I am inclined to blame the coaching primarily since they aren't doing a great job scheming for Zeke either.

PAPPYDOG · Nov 15, 2019

PUSHfold said:
Okay...I'm doing what I should've done two years ago and what I assume half of this forum has already done and finally put you on ignore. You literally never have anything of substance to add to the conversation and I mean that. You're a troll and you don't even try to hide it.

The best part of Dak being our QB it's not even that he's a good QB.(he is) It's knowing how badly a bunch of losers like you absolutely hate it. Hahaha, it reminds me of another situation here in America.

Good luck bud have a feeling you will need every ounce of it in life.....

Beast_from_East · Nov 15, 2019

LMAO................you guys must not watch other games.

Mahommes is in shotgun literally every play. I did a quick google search and its around 92% this year. Let me repeat that, 92% of every pass Mahommes has thrown this year is from shotgun formation. For comparison purposes, Dak is around 78% of passes from shotgun.

ondaedg · Nov 15, 2019

Alot of teams under shotgun https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/snap-rates--shotgun-v-under-center--off-.html

Risen Star · Nov 15, 2019

landroverking said:
Simply put Dak needs it.

That's the answer.

shabazz · Nov 15, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Good luck bud have a feeling you will need every ounce of it in life.....

Ah, Pappy just put another notch on his six shooter :lmao2:

HungryLion · Nov 15, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
https://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/analysis/the-best-time-to-utilize-play-action/

Ask and you shall receive. This guy did a study of play action during the 2018 season. It works best under center which makes sense. The purpose of play action is to make the defense think its a run and react accordingly........only realizing its not when its too late. In shot gun, everyone can see the ball and handoffs are super obvious. It is harder to fake them.

it makes sense that playaction works better for the running game under center. Thank you for posting the article.

I think Dak runs playaction from under center well though.

what he doesn’t do well is the traditional 3-5 step drop under center that has no playaction and where he is supposed to throw the ball as soon as his last step hits the ground.

The article posted earlier is clearly referencing traditional drop back passes and NOT talking about playaction passes from under center.

Regardless, yes traditional drop back 3-5 step drops are something Dak is still working on. He has improved since his rookie year. Still has work to do though.

quickccc · Nov 15, 2019

Quickdraw said:
Landry brought the shotgun back to give Staubach an advantage. It was typically only used in 3rd and long yardage.

Why is this team now constantly going into shotgun formation on it seems, almost every play? What's with the quick trap out of the shotgun? Why be in the shotgun on short yardage plays? They even go into the shotgun inside the 5.

To me, being in shotgun formation tells your opponent what you're not going to do. It's easier for a defense to read what you're not going to do as opposed to what you are, which makes it all the more difficult to succeed..

Imo, they are using shotgun formation for their RPO; which could mean straight pass, or fake, play action hand off to zeke, where either zeke gets the handoff or Dak runs with it, or play action and rolls out.
Shot gun in short yardage ? Apparently they are using RPO's to try to mislead and confuse the defense.
RPO- shotgun is widely used around the entire NFL.

My only question with this RPO's is could this be taking away from Zeke's better running plays where he can line up deep while Dak is under center, and
have more of a distance and vision lane to to better see developing holes - I recalled that was an very early issue during Zeke's rookie 2016 year at the start.

And even HOFer Emmitt Smith had to chime in and questioned running zeke out of shotgun vs allowing him to line up and get deep handoffs from QB under center.

TexasHillbilly · Nov 15, 2019

percyhoward said:
Prescott, Career Passer Rating
from shotgun 95.1
under center 103.6

Freakin damn BOOM!!!!! Take that ya suckas!!

Quickdraw · Nov 16, 2019

blueblood70 said:
true lol apparently they dont watch a lot of football, college or pros,,this is the way the new nfl has been for sometime now..

Apparently they don't watch football? Apparently you didn't read the original post. Nowhere does it say anything about other teams or leagues.

Dak_Attack_09 · Nov 16, 2019

@PAPPYDOG L

cern · Nov 16, 2019

Quickdraw said:
Apparently they don't watch football? Apparently you didn't read the original post. Nowhere does it say anything about other teams or leagues.

It should have. There is nothing unique to any team in the nfl today. It's a copycat league.

Techsass · Nov 16, 2019

percyhoward said:
No kidding.

Attempts from under center
(as a % of total attempts)
Cousins 56.5%
Jackson 31.0%
Stafford 29.6%
Carr 29.5%
Prescott 22.3%
Brees 22.1%
Rodgers 18.4%
Watson 15.6%
Wilson 14.7%
Mahomes 8.2%

Wow he lines up under center about every 5th play? That's a lot more than I thought.

cern · Nov 16, 2019

Diehardblues said:
QuickDraw brings up a good point of discussion.

I’m just not sure that everyone isn’t doing it now. I’d guess it’s to be in better position to audible reading defenses.

It's been used for almost 50 years now. Not exactly a new subject. It's used because it's effective. Simple as that.

Why the constant shotgun formation?

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