Anyone left thinks Zeke is the best back in the league?

aria

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I posted that just for you. Your obsession is becoming pappyish and I find it entertaining.
So trolling confirmed! Glad you have nothing else to do but purposely heckle me. I don’t know whether to put you on ignore or keep you around for you to display your immaturity and ignorance to everyone.
 

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Give the ball to Pollard 15-20 times and he will put Zeke to shame.
I would actually like to see this. I consider Pollard quality, albeit more of a 2nd RB type. I'd love to see him get a pile of carries in a game simply to see a comparison.
 

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what you're ignoring is the fact the the defense still!!! keys on the run when Zeke's in the game. When pollards in, its not the same defense and he still doesnt run that well. Other than the dolphins game, he hasn't had many good runs.
Sorry but I don't see where you came to this conclusion at all. I am not saying I know what Pollard would do in a starting role, but he has done quite well in his very limited opportunities.

Has he had a loss of yards, or stuffed at line a time or two, sure but compared to Elliot he holds his own very well.

They are WAY under-utilizing Pollard and they have all year..
 

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I would actually like to see this. I consider Pollard quality, albeit more of a 2nd RB type. I'd love to see him get a pile of carries in a game simply to see a comparison.

Pollard has better vision, speed, open field moves, and desire. I also think he will be a better receiver. As long as the kid can block, I dont see any reason why he wouldnt be better than Zeke.
 

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You not concerned with the 2019 Zeke? He is not close to the same back we saw 2016-2018 and exactly the reason why you don't make RBs franchise players.

Not sure what TE has to do with it, but that is definitely a position that needs an upgrade. Would really like to see what Jarwin can do with a bigger role.
1. Actually, I'm more concerned with the blocking, blocking schemes, and ways to get Zeke in space. Nothing against Pollard. 2. As for TE, it's just another position eyeballs should be set on, especially if we are the passing team now. Witt is on fumes. Jarwin should be starting, and Witt's blocking is much like everybody else's on the line right now.
 

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Sorry but I don't see where you came to this conclusion at all. I am not saying I know what Pollard would do in a starting role, but he has done quite well in his very limited opportunities.

Has he had a loss of yards, or stuffed at line a time or two, sure but compared to Elliot he holds his own very well.

They are WAY under-utilizing Pollard and they have all year..
My eyes work. Other than the dolphins game, pollard hasn't run well. He also wouldnt get the attention zeke gets.
 

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Pollard has better vision, speed, open field moves, and desire. I also think he will be a better receiver. As long as the kid can block, I dont see any reason why he wouldnt be better than Zeke.
You're out of your mind if you think he has more desire. Zeke runs harder than anyone in this league. You have no way of knowing what type of vision he has. He hasn't demonstrated it yet. I also haven't seen any moves. He made one really good play yesterday. One. Zeke also had a receiving td.
 

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Zeke apologist have no excuses. Teams have been keying on Zeke and the run game since his rookie year. It wasnt a problem in the past. He had a rookie QB his first year and the passing game was suspect in both 2017 and 2018.

Zeke is now operating in the #1 offense in the NFL with an amazing passing game and his QB is having a career year throwing for 400 yards and 3 TD's every other week. Even with all these things Zeke continues to on his downward trajectory. Never has Zeke been surrounded by the weapons he has now and he is running worse than he ever has.

Even when he breaks through the line, he runs into people.

I don't believe Zeke's as fast as he used to be and he looks like he's heavier. Seems like they always run him right straight up the gut like a fullback. Also, I don't know why they don't throw the ball to him more.
Why does a team spend a high 1st rounder on a guy like Zeke, pay him elite money, fatten him up and run him straight up the gut all day for 1-3 yards and a cloud of dust? That's the Cowboys for ya.
 
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It is still early to count him out or make any permanent determination on Zeke, but I think it is safe to say he is not worth anything close to the 90 million we paid him.

It does look like the guy has lost quite a few steps in speed, vision and ability to break tackles.

Some people on here like to say it is because opponents are focused on the run, I call BS. You don't continually gear up for a run against a team who throws for 400+ yards, and in the case against the Lions barely ran the ball at all.
 

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If Zeke doesn’t get 100 yards and 3 TDS, he gets hate.


8th in yards
25th in yards per attempt
6th in TDs
41st in runs of 20+ yards

The numbers speak for themselves. He just isn't anywhere near the best by any metric.
 

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Is the best back in the nfl?

Anyone out there still thinks it was smart to pay him 15 million?

He's one of the best, for sure.

Teams are still doing what teams have done for years to try to slow us down.
Committing vast resources to slowing down/shutting down Zeke and taking their chances that Dak won't beat them.

And as recently as the New York Jets game, that was still a winning proposition.

Credit where due, Dak and Moore seem to have found a groove with play calling and scheming and in the last 3-4 games, that approach hasn't paid off well.

Now that teams realize they can't just shut down Zeke and therefore stop the Cowboys, I'd expect that Zeke's numbers will start to trend positively again.
I've been critical of Dak and I think it's been largely deserved over the past few years.

I'll also call it straight and say over the past month he's clearly gotten more comfortable and efficient in his role, and that's a good thing for the team.

it will open up opportunities for Zeke and the rest of the offense as well. Also a good thing.
the one caveat--if people focus on the past 4-5 games and say "Dak's the man, pay him his $30 mil", then how much will Dak be the man when a lot of his talent is gone because we couldn't afford to pay him AND them.

this is where I hope sanity prevails and we can keep our team intact at a reasonable price for everyone because right now they seem to be humming.
at least offensively anyways.
 
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You're out of your mind if you think he has more desire. Zeke runs harder than anyone in this league. You have no way of knowing what type of vision he has. He hasn't demonstrated it yet. I also haven't seen any moves. He made one really good play yesterday. One. Zeke also had a receiving td.

I guess you will just have to my word for it or not believe me until it becomes obvious.
 

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I don't believe Zeke's as fast as he used to be and he looks like he's heavier. Seems like they always run him right straight up the gut like a fullback. Also, I don't know why they don't throw the ball to him more.
Why does a team spend a high 1st rounder on a guy like Zeke, pay him elite money, fatten him up and run him straight up the gut all day for 1-3 yards and a cloud of dust? That's the Cowboys for ya.

They run him up the gut, but also he doenst bounce it outside.
 

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He's one of the best, for sure.

Teams are still doing what teams have done for years to try to slow us down.
Committing vast resources to slowing down/shutting down Zeke and taking their chances that Dak won't beat them.

And as recently as the New York Jets game, that was still a winning proposition.

Credit where due, Dak and Moore seem to have found a groove with play calling and scheming and in the last 3-4 games, that approach hasn't paid off well.

Now that teams realize they can't just shut down Zeke and therefore stop the Cowboys, I'd expect that Zeke's numbers will start to trend positively again.
I've been critical of Dak and I think it's been largely deserved over the past few years.

I'll also call it straight and say over the past month he's clearly gotten more comfortable and efficient in his role, and that's a good thing for the team.

it will open up opportunities for Zeke and the rest of the offense as well. Also a good thing.
the one caveat--if people focus on the past 4-5 games and say "Dak's the man, pay him his $30 mil", then how much will Dak be the man when a lot of his talent is gone because we couldn't afford to pay him AND them.

this is where I hope sanity prevails and we can keep our team intact at a reasonable price for everyone because right now they seem to be humming.
at least offensively anyways.

Anyone that over criticised Dak simply doenst understand QB play or QB development.
 

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I don't think Zeke fits Moore's scheme (if there is one). Zeke was comfortable under Linehan's scheme. If you look at the history of his scheme in the NFL, he really do like running the football behind big offensive lines. IIRC, when he was the Vikings OC, their Oline were one of the biggest lines in the NFL and they ran the football in obvious run formations and many teams couldn't stop them.


Is Zeke the best right now? My answer is that if he is on the field, and teams are still wondering where he is at and biting on PA, then he is still a problem and teams are still trying to stop the run. However, something doesn't look right when he does get the ball.
 

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Anyone that over criticised Dak simply doenst understand QB play or QB development.

That's a vague opinion ("over criticized", as if an appropriate level of criticism isn't totally subjective) unsupported by anything factual. Nothing more nothing less
 
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