All the Zeke Hate, but the problem really is the offensive line

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QuincyCarterEra said:
I'm going to trust what actually happened. Not what the team says they wants to do(which would be stupid to reveal their scheme) or the owner thought they did from the sky box.

Yes # in the box does tell you if we facing a loaded box which is what was being discussed.
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Well, it is not what I have discussed. it is only those making excuses for the OL who have brought it up. If the OL is getting whipped one on one, there is no need to flood more in the box. Time after time after time, Zeke has no where to run compared to what he had in 2016. Watch that video I posted from Akoye who broke down numerous examples of this. Film doesn't lie.....
 
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QuincyCarterEra said:
I'm going to trust what actually happened. Not what the team says they wants to do(which would be stupid to reveal their scheme) or the owner thought they did from the sky box.

Yes # in the box does tell you if we facing a loaded box which is what was being discussed.
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OK what actually happened in Next Gen is "at the snap". At the snap means nothing. You can have 7 on the line and 3 back out at the snap or you can have 4 on the line and 3 more blitz. You can have a safety out that comes up at the snap.
 
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Keithfansince5 said:
All of this Zeke hate all over the place is unfounded. The REAL hate or criticism should be directed squarely to the offensive line.
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It IS founded. Zeke refuses to use his power & speed to the outside. Emmitt would get stuffed up the middle too when teams geared on stopping him. But still could follow his guard and tackle to get on the outside if the middle was stacked, and still get 4 or 5 yards. Zeke is stubborn, all he does is run up the middle.
 
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If you are watching Zeke and you don't see a problem there, then I am not sure what you are watching. RBs in the NFL usually have to run through contact. I mean, most RBs are never able to run 4 or 5 yards past the line of scrimmage before contact. Zeke should be running quicker and stronger. There is something wrong there. It's not just the OL, although, I don't believe the OL play is helping.
 
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GMO415 said:
EzE isn't hitting the hole fast enough, causing said holes to collapse on him. His first season, he'd hit the holes to quick, and he learned to be patient. Now, the tub of guts can'y move fast enough.
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not quite but he is being too patient now,he needs to make decisions quicker and the type monotonous run plays we call isn't helping either.
 
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Keithfansince5 said:
All of this Zeke hate all over the place is unfounded. The REAL hate or criticism should be directed squarely to the offensive line.

The offensive line has sucked royally for weeks now. They are the ones looking fat and slow. They are getting routinely pushed backwards off the line. It is alarming how poorly the ENTIRE lot of them are playing. Every running play they are getting manhandled.

Yet, on passing plays they are doing well. Weird huh? Yeah. But then watch again and it seems that the way they are blocking on run plays is no different than how they block on passing plays.

Why?

I see no movement forward on running plays whatsoever. Frederick is a liability on running plays. He is usually getting pushed backwards. Collins was also. Even Tyron Smith is getting pushed backwards or at least stymied. Oh wait, not Martin too. Yeah Martin too is not getting enough push.

I really do not understand what people expect Zeke to do? Should he stop and spin and run outside like Barry Sanders? Well, he is no Barry Sanders. But it would take someone with equal swivel hips as Barry Sanders to do well with this line. Dallas OL has regressed BADLY.

Question, is this on Columbo? Does Moore have anything to do with this? Whoever is at fault, needs to be fired. This OL is a liability on running plays. No RB will ever flourish behind this line the way it is currently blocking.
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Funny you blame the O line, I didn’t see other RB’s or especially Barkley getting that excuse last year when the Giants had one of the worst O lines in the league and aren’t much better this year. Why wasn’t the O line excuse valid for Barkley last year (or this year) yet now it applies to Zeke once he’s declined?

Also, statistically the Cowboys are top 3 in most run blocking categories but carry on with the excuses. Zeke can do no wrong.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
 
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Watch that video I posted. Then comment. Some of you are missing it. Of course a RB is not going to get 10 yards every single time he gets the ball. Sometimes the defense earns their keep too. But the OL this season is not as good as the OL from seasons past. Film is not lying. If the line were blocking better, Zeke would be running better.

For the record, I was never a eke is the best RB ever guy. I have stated numerous times that he is not ES. He is not BS. He is not WP. He is real good but he does need better than average blocking to be that real good back. BS did not need that. WP did not need that. I think ES did not need that either. The OL from ES time was given too much credit out of disrespect for ES. EE needs good blocking or he can be shut down. He had excellent blocking up until this year. It is plain to see.
 
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I'm not even going to blame the offensive line. The actual run gameplan is horrible. Put it in a Glad commercial, it's garbage. This Run plan is the worst I have ever seen the Cowboys have. One of the best we've had since the 90s version is during Romo years with the delayed draw. This RPO or whatever you call it is just a damn run from shotgun. We don't need Zeke for that.
 
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https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
not sure how much stock you place in stats but I found this and it tells a different story. i think Zeke is part of the problem now alot of factors play into it but if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck by golly it must be a duck.

sorry aria i hadn't seen you already posted this
 
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aria said:
Funny you blame the O line, I didn’t see other RB’s or especially Barkley getting that excuse last year when the Giants had one of the worst O lines in the league and aren’t much better this year. Why wasn’t the O line excuse valid for Barkley last year (or this year) yet now it applies to Zeke once he’s declined?

Also, statistically the Cowboys are top 3 in most run blocking categories but carry on with the excuses. Zeke can do no wrong.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
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I am not a fan of the Giants so why would I have any comment on how Barkley is playing? I only care when he plays against Dallas.
 
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starfan1 said:
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol/2019
not sure how much stock you place in stats but I found this and it tells a different story. i think Zeke is part of the problem now alot of factors play into it but if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck by golly it must be a duck.
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I agree. and the duck has been obvious for sometime. The OL is getting owned. Stats can be made to say anything you want. Film however, shows what it is.
 
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Keithfansince5 said:
I agree. and the duck has been obvious for sometime. The OL is getting owned. Stats can be made to say anything you want. Film however, shows what it is.
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I wont disagree stats don't always tell the story and I do use them to support my arguments I'm not going to lie but if you cant see the regression in Zeke your just not willing to see it. Watch Pollard explode through those same holes. now in 4 years pollard may be washed up but part of the issue is Zeke.


as I watch the Oline I will agree they are not once they once was despite what stats say but they still are respectable. Zeke needs to pull his head out his arse. He has also admitted on multiple times he made wrong cuts and there are others you can see he missed and took wrong gap if you have played football at all.
 
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What Happened to Ezekiel Elliott? | Baldy Breakdowns


Watch clip. NFL Networks Baldy breaks down Zeke's hesitation & unwilling to hit the hole hard, there are yards on the outside for Zeke to get, but he doesn't show any aggression to attack the outside, Baldy show several plays where he doesn't attack when opportunities are there.
 
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Keithfansince5 said:
Watch that video I posted. Then comment. Some of you are missing it. Of course a RB is not going to get 10 yards every single time he gets the ball. Sometimes the defense earns their keep too. But the OL this season is not as good as the OL from seasons past. Film is not lying. If the line were blocking better, Zeke would be running better.

For the record, I was never a eke is the best RB ever guy. I have stated numerous times that he is not ES. He is not BS. He is not WP. He is real good but he does need better than average blocking to be that real good back. BS did not need that. WP did not need that. I think ES did not need that either. The OL from ES time was given too much credit out of disrespect for ES. EE needs good blocking or he can be shut down. He had excellent blocking up until this year. It is plain to see.
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I watched that video and more importantly, I listened to it. I mean, I don't disagree that the OL is not blocking the same but that doesn't necessarily mean that the holes are not there or that Zeke hasn't lost a step. We aren't cutting OLs anymore. We don't use that technique any longer and I don't know if it's because of the OL Coaching change or if it's because the NFL has come down on teams that cut block as a technique. The NFL outlawed Chop Blocks of all types but they still allowed cut blocks but not as a double team and that is what we did a lot of in the past. So I don't know if this is the reason we stopped doing it or not. Bottom line, we no longer get guys on the ground and that's true but that doesn't mean the OL is not opening holes, per say. It means that the holes require backs to get to and through them a little quicker because OLs are not on the ground having to recover anymore.
 
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Keithfansince5 said:
No, you are not seeing it. Not sure why. Some agenda getting in the way???? Only you can answer that. However, film doesn't lie. Feel free to watch this video breakdown comparing the OL from 2016 compared to 2019....Get ready to see the light lol
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OMG, that's some selective editing of Zeke in 2019. Cherry-picking the plays to make your point doesn't make your point. It only shows how desperate you are to drive a narrative that doesn't really exist. Even this selectively edited video of 2019 footage shows the holes the O line is creating but Zeke doesn't get through fast enough so thank you for providing that evidence proving my point and disproving yours. Rather than spoon-feeding fans your cherry-picked footage, I recommend folks check out the games on Game Pass and look for themselves how the holes open and close before Zeke gets through them and Pollard does get through. This footage of Zeke in 2016 is nice to watch but its really a waste of time for this discussion because we all know how he used to hit the holes and run free.
 
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