Cowboys only 6 point underdogs at NE

Miller · Nov 19, 2019

Future said:
Dallas is more likely to win by 20 than lose by 7.

The Pats don't do one thing that this team should be scared of.

Except play incredible Defense and game plan better than most. The D has saved them this year while they try and find a rhythm with WRs and backs. I wouldn't be surprised to see NE go more no huddle to get into a groove.

Future said:
No it doesn't. There is not a defense in the league that can stop potent offenses. It does not happen in today's NFL. There's no lessons to be learned from games 10, 20, 30 years ago.

Right, they ran into disadvantageous fronts and ignored the passing game, which is my point. When an offense doesn't beat itself, the defense can't stop it.

Tell that to the Rams, and others who have had Ds adjust. What you said is just made up, especially this season. Look at top teams and the Ds on teams like the Pats and 49ers.

Future · Nov 19, 2019

TexasFrog said:
Except play incredible Defense and game plan better than most. The D has saved them this year while they try and find a rhythm with WRs and backs. I wouldn't be surprised to see NE go more no huddle to get into a groove.

Tell that to the Rams, and others who have had Ds adjust. What you said is just made up, especially this season. Look at top teams and the Ds on teams like the Pats and 49ers.

Incredible defense and gameplan...except against the one good offense they've played.

The Rams never had a good offense, they just had an offense that defenses had to learn. Goff stopped being effective more than a month before the Super Bowl.

Miller · Nov 19, 2019

Future said:
Incredible defense and gameplan...except against the one good offense they've played.

The Rams never had a good offense, they just had an offense that defenses had to learn. Goff stopped being effective more than a month before the Super Bowl.

OK, you are right, Bill and the D are an aberration. We will steam roll them

And Goff had his last two regular season games with QBRs of 114 and 128. He wasn't suffering at the end of the year. The got to a SB doing different things.

BatteryPowered · Nov 19, 2019

FYI...the win probability for New England currently sits at 73%.

Flamma · Nov 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
The line actually opened at 7 but has moved to 6. I’m surprised even though Dallas is often over bet in Vegas.

To put in perspective NE was 7 point fav at Philly yesterday. That means at home they would have been a 10 point fav at home. And translated to Pats would only be a 3 point if the game was in Dallas.

This means the early big money likes Dallas to cover. I’m just not sure how I could not take NE only giving up 6.

Doesn't surprise me. In 2015 Dallas opened up a 6 point favorite over Carolina. Dallas was 3-7 and Carolina was 10-0. It went off Dallas -1 or 2, I forget. But how crazy is that they were even favored?

JonesBoys · Nov 19, 2019

Floatyworm said:
Give me the points...I got Dallas winning this straight up. New England can't pass protect...and if we are smart..we are jumping routes all day...in man coverage. Quinn has got to be licking his lips...Marshall Newhouse @ left tackle.

Their starting tackle is back this week I forget his name but Newhouse won’t be starting. I think it’s Isiah Wynn

GMO415 · Nov 19, 2019

It'll probably be 10 by kickoff

Future · Nov 19, 2019

TexasFrog said:
OK, you are right, Bill and the D are an aberration. We will steam roll them

And Goff had his last two regular season games with QBRs of 114 and 128. He wasn't suffering at the end of the year. The got to a SB doing different things.

I mean that defense hasn't proven anything. It just hasn't - most of those offenses can't complete passes in walkthroughs lol

Cherry pick much. He a) played against JV defenses b) only attempted 24 and 26 passes and c) wasn't throwing the ball down the field. In the 3 preceding games, his passer ratings were 68.6 (Det), 19.1 (Chi), and 75.9 (PHI). In the playoffs, his ratings were 74.4 (DAL) and 83.0 (NOR). So, in the 7 games before the Super Bowl, he had a a passer rating under 85 (Flacco was at 84.2) in 5 games and his Y/A went from 9.3 to 8. But I'm supposed to believe that because of two games against awful defenses he was playing well? No thanks.

Teams figured out how to defeat the passing attack in December. BB figured out how to force them into those looks consistently.

Pantone282C · Nov 19, 2019

Corso said:
Good luck to the bettors.
Have at it.

I only bet on myself.

You can double down and never lose!

SoBlue128 · Nov 19, 2019

I would stay the hell away from betting on this one. This is the kind of game the Cowboys tend to shock with whether it’s by thoroughly getting their arses kicked or winning a squeaker. This is a catch 22 game because it’s the exact type of game Garrett actually coaches his arse off restoring any lost faith from the front office. Then the following week we are back to what the hell happened to the team we saw last week

Miller · Nov 19, 2019

Future said:
I mean that defense hasn't proven anything. It just hasn't - most of those offenses can't complete passes in walkthroughs lol

Cherry pick much. He a) played against JV defenses b) only attempted 24 and 26 passes and c) wasn't throwing the ball down the field. In the 3 preceding games, his passer ratings were 68.6 (Det), 19.1 (Chi), and 75.9 (PHI). In the playoffs, his ratings were 74.4 (DAL) and 83.0 (NOR). So, in the 7 games before the Super Bowl, he had a a passer rating under 85 (Flacco was at 84.2) in 5 games and his Y/A went from 9.3 to 8. But I'm supposed to believe that because of two games against awful defenses he was playing well? No thanks.

Teams figured out how to defeat the passing attack in December. BB figured out how to force them into those looks consistently.

I agree that BB figured out how to stomp them but honestly I think much of his bad number games were Gurley getting banged up and not keeping up. But they definitely aren't the same this year and scare no one...though they have had two WRs out.

The offenses they played haven't been great but this may be one of the more talented groups they have had and they are able to do more things with them. I expect them to be prepared...the Ravens game tape will be interesting for both teams.

Diehardblues · Nov 19, 2019

Future said:
No it doesn't. There is not a defense in the league that can stop potent offenses. It does not happen in today's NFL. There's no lessons to be learned from games 10, 20, 30 years ago.

Right, they ran into disadvantageous fronts and ignored the passing game, which is my point. When an offense doesn't beat itself, the defense can't stop it.

Pats stopped one of the top offenses last year in SB.

Even in recent history we’ve seen top defenses slow top offenses.

Regardless. Pass heavy offenses like we are developing into aren’t a recipe for winning championships. Not without a defense.

Pantone282C · Nov 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Pats stopped one of the top offenses last year in SB.

Even in recent history we’ve seen top defenses slow top offenses.

Regardless. Pass heavy offenses like we are developing into aren’t a recipe for winning championships. Not without a defense.

Ain't it the truth.

pitt33 · Nov 19, 2019

BatteryPowered said:
FYI...the win probability for New England currently sits at 73%.

Not surprised.

This team has lost a grand total of 15 games in Foxboro during the Brady era.

15 games.

That includes the playoffs.

It will take a miracle for this version of the Cowboys to pull off the upset.

windjc · Nov 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
The line actually opened at 7 but has moved to 6. I’m surprised even though Dallas is often over bet in Vegas.

To put in perspective NE was 7 point fav at Philly yesterday. That means at home they would have been a 10 point fav at home. And translated to Pats would only be a 3 point if the game was in Dallas.

This means the early big money likes Dallas to cover. I’m just not sure how I could not take NE only giving up 6.

Actually the line would be even if it were in Dallas FYI

Diehardblues · Nov 19, 2019

windjc said:
Actually the line would be even if it were in Dallas FYI

Normally the home team is given 3 points in the event it’s a pick em game.

Based on that data I’d say if it was at home the line would have opened as 3 point dogs.

Surely you don’t believe it would be a pick em game on a neutral site?

Blue&Silver · Nov 19, 2019

I think that's a bit high. It's a game we should win and more than likely will win

Diehardblues · Nov 19, 2019

Blue&Silver said:
I think that's a bit high. It's a game we should win and more than likely will win

Based on what data, recent history and trends?

Blue&Silver · Nov 19, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Based on what data, recent history and trends?

Data doesn't play the games players do. Just watching Philly play the patriots if Philly had any kind of offensive talent on the field outside of their quarterback they would have won that game.

Philly has an offense in disarray that's missing all their skill positions except the TE in QB we are stacked in fairly healthy. We are also the number one or close to it offense.

The patriots are in for some pain.

Bullflop · Nov 19, 2019

Six sounds about right to me! Obviously, the bookies are figuring they're safe at that margin. We'll see.
Hey, I'd love to disappoint them! There's very little doubt that a win by us would shock the world! :flagwave:

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