All the Zeke Hate, but the problem really is the offensive line

birdwells1 · Nov 19, 2019

PJTHEDOORS said:
Baldy breaks it down showing yards are there, you ignore it. Get glasses.

Ok let's go:

1st play he talks from the 2019 season is Zeke running for a 1st down then fumbling. His complaint was "you cant fumble the ball there". When is a good time to fumble, they happen.

2nd play as he describing the light box the safety comes into the box making it an 8 man front.

1st play against the jets he brags about how the fullback blocks it up for Zeke but notice that the fb runs into Martin before going to the lber

The play against the Vikings Fred whiffed on his block of Hendricks. That's plain to see.

The play after that Zeke probably could have keep it outside and gained more yards.

The next play he comments "what are you going to do , just take the yards that are there?" Uh yeah.

There you have it and I watched it with my glasses.

Zekeats · Nov 19, 2019

Zack Martin getting pushed back too often also. What happened to him?

Playmaker3128 · Nov 19, 2019

In a “ bad year” zeke is still going to end up with around 1400 yards and 13-14 total touchdowns. if he can do that every year for the length of his contract I sure as hell will take it. Part of being a great rb is durability as well and zeke doesn’t get enough credit for that aspect.

I swear it’s as if people on here want him to run for 1800 yards and completely wear himself out to justify the big contract.

ConstantReboot · Nov 19, 2019

Future said:
You can go right ahead and ignore the actual data about this OL if you want.

The running game has been inefficient against teams who decided to stop it since Thanksgiving 2016. Nothing has changed since then.

I think its a culmination of everything. First, Zeke came back fat from his trip in Cabo. I still think he still hasn't gotten back into the grove. Second, yes the oline. But the oline is not entirely at fault. When you keep running the same exact run play over and over and become predictable, its easier for the defense to play it. Predictability is our number one enemy in the running game. We just don't mix it up enough with other plays to keep the defense off guard.

Lastly, I still think this is mostly Zeke's fault. I think he comfortable with his fat paycheck and not wanting it enough. How many times have we seen him this year get tackled easily by a 190 lbs corner? Usually, he breaks that tackle and run it for more. Now even a gust of wind he goes down. I think he no longer has a sense of urgency because he already has gotten paid. Thats too bad and Jerry is to blame for that.

DallasInDC · Nov 19, 2019

Ranching said:
It's Garrett's fault, cuz he sucks.

Why yes,... yes he does.

Established1971 · Nov 19, 2019

Pessimist_cowboy said:
Zeke has 0 burst this season. Isn’t hitting the line of scrimmage with any authority. Has had several opportunities to bounce outside but hasn’t done so. If you’re going to pay him elite money he deserves a large amount of blame.

he gets too many handoffs from the rpo in my opinion, that split second throws off the timing of the running game. at least to me that what seems to be the case sometimes

CWR · Nov 19, 2019

Wood said:
Already posted about this. Go listen to glen stretch about how the problem is with Frederick. Hasn't fully recovered. Maybe he will or maybe he wont ever fully recover. Once that Dak contract gets signed, the Cowboys will have to make tough decisions on players who are not producing in line with their compensation.

You cant make a decision on Fred. He needs another year to get his strength back. I do think if a tough decision was going to be made it would be putting Looney in for the mean time.

That said I understand why Fred is getting the nod and would hate to be the one to pull him.

DandyDon52 · Nov 19, 2019

Keithfansince5 said:
All of this Zeke hate all over the place is unfounded. The REAL hate or criticism should be directed squarely to the offensive line.

The offensive line has sucked royally for weeks now. They are the ones looking fat and slow. They are getting routinely pushed backwards off the line. It is alarming how poorly the ENTIRE lot of them are playing. Every running play they are getting manhandled.

Yet, on passing plays they are doing well. Weird huh? Yeah. But then watch again and it seems that the way they are blocking on run plays is no different than how they block on passing plays.

Why?

I see no movement forward on running plays whatsoever. Frederick is a liability on running plays. He is usually getting pushed backwards. Collins was also. Even Tyron Smith is getting pushed backwards or at least stymied. Oh wait, not Martin too. Yeah Martin too is not getting enough push.

I really do not understand what people expect Zeke to do? Should he stop and spin and run outside like Barry Sanders? Well, he is no Barry Sanders. But it would take someone with equal swivel hips as Barry Sanders to do well with this line. Dallas OL has regressed BADLY.

Question, is this on Columbo? Does Moore have anything to do with this? Whoever is at fault, needs to be fired. This OL is a liability on running plays. No RB will ever flourish behind this line the way it is currently blocking.

Maybe they dont like elliot??
I noticed when pollard scored a td, they all ran down and surrounded him in celebration, but when
EE scored , just a little meh celebration.,
I think they like pollard way more than elliot and would block better for him.
Pollard had 1 drive, in det game, it went for td, and check out the blocking on that drive for pollard,
and see what blocking is like.

SiCk_DiAbLo · Nov 19, 2019

I don't have a problem with Zeke, would like to see more...Sure. But I have more of a problem with D-Law..He has a half sack over Taco...

jay94 · Nov 19, 2019

SiCk_DiAbLo said:
I don't have a problem with Zeke, would like to see more...Sure. But I have more of a problem with D-Law..He has a half sack over Taco...

Dlaw has played much better than Zeke this season and it's not close. By only looking at one stat sure Lawrence hasn't played great.

Number1 · Nov 19, 2019

Keithfansince5 said:
Question, is this on Columbo? Does Moore have anything to do with this? Whoever is at fault, needs to be fired. This OL is a liability on running plays. No RB will ever flourish behind this line the way it is currently blocking.

let's leave "Hate" out of it, if anyone has a simple prescription for how scheme can help ... let's hear it, I'll lay money Colombo has already heard it.

but when's the last time we saw this OL just plain mawl a run defense?

I can't blame injured / aged talent on the coaching staff. All roads lead back to JJ

PJTHEDOORS · Nov 20, 2019

birdwells1 said:
The play against the Vikings Fred whiffed on his block of Hendricks. That's plain to see.

The play after that Zeke probably could have keep it outside and gained more yards.

The next play he comments "what are you going to do , just take the yards that are there?" Uh yeah.

There you have it and I watched it with my glasses.

Yup, Zeke refuses to go outside.

PJTHEDOORS · Nov 20, 2019

Playmaker3128 said:
In a “ bad year” zeke is still going to end up with around 1400 yards and 13-14 total touchdowns. if he can do that every year for the length of his contract I sure as hell will take it. Part of being a great rb is durability as well and zeke doesn’t get enough credit for that aspect.

I swear it’s as if people on here want him to run for 1800 yards and completely wear himself out to justify the big contract.

He'd need to average around 100 yds a game rest season to get at 1,400 yds. He as of now way he's playing won't get there.

BHendri5 · Nov 20, 2019

You wasted your time posting knowledge, these knuckleheads are blind to anything other than their own opinions. They know it all, they think they do. They believe Zeke should be running in the secondary every play, they think he has this elusiveness to make all these people miss, or he has this great speed to out run people, oh they think Emmitt was as fast and elusive. They continue to bring up what Zeke did his rookie season, the league was not ready for Zeke then now they are and they know that if you win the LOS, or at least stalemate the OLine they can cause Zeke to not have an affect on the game running the ball, which means Kellen has to have Zeke attack the defenses in other ways

Cowpolk · Nov 20, 2019

Bad run blocking equals bad running stats that is my opinion and i'm sticking with it

Nav22 · Nov 20, 2019

When is the last time Zeke broke a tackle?

When is the last time Zeke made a defender miss in space?

LOL at these excuses for a RB who we’re paying to be “elite.”

36 carries for 92 yards over the last 2 weeks. 2.6 yds per carry.
:laugh:

Idgit · Nov 20, 2019

What are we complaining about here? The offense?

PJTHEDOORS · Nov 20, 2019

Nav22 said:
When is the last time Zeke broke a tackle?

When is the last time Zeke made a defender miss in space?

LOL at these excuses for a RB who we’re paying to be “elite.”

36 carries for 92 yards over the last 2 weeks. 2.6 yds per carry.

Yup. Baldy's vid breakdown said same thing you said.

superonyx · Nov 20, 2019

PJTHEDOORS said:
Baldy breaks it down showing yards are there, you ignore it. Get glasses.

One could show a video of Emmitt Smith, Sanders, Peyton and show yards that were there and the runner didn’t get them. Just like one could show Tom Brady’s best games and focus on the incomplete passes and plays where he checked down or made a throw that could have been more yards or a TD.

These videos showing a select few plays only serve to show the bias of the person and their agenda no matter what it’s showing.

Zeke statistically isn’t having an awful season. He has as many 100 yard games as this time last season.

ignoring the obvious at this point about this offensive line comes off as someone trying to win an argument on a message board while selectively ignoring the reality.

Of course Zeke isnt making as many explosive plays as past seasons. The reason for that is speculation on both sides. Why ignore the reality that this line isn’t blocking the same and this should impact Zekes reads and decisions. Just as a QB who gets pressured often will start feeling pressure even when it’s not there. When the OL is struggling RBs tend to be hesitant waiting for holes to open. Running the ball is more complex than just running real fast into the place the hole should be.

superonyx · Nov 20, 2019

Playmaker3128 said:
In a “ bad year” zeke is still going to end up with around 1400 yards and 13-14 total touchdowns. if he can do that every year for the length of his contract I sure as hell will take it. Part of being a great rb is durability as well and zeke doesn’t get enough credit for that aspect.

I swear it’s as if people on here want him to run for 1800 yards and completely wear himself out to justify the big contract.

What you have around here is a group of fans that wanted Jaylon Ramsey and have never liked Zeke primarily for this reason. They are members of this idiology that RB's are not worth anything and you can just grab any back from any school late in the draft and the result wont change. These are the guys on here that feel vindicated because our running game isnt having its best year. They get pleasure from watching less than perfect results from Zeke so they can convince themselves they were right all along.

Nothing will move these types. They don't operate in a logical place. You just have to laugh at them and mess with them every once in a while. I find it entertaining to watch one of these guys twist themselves into a pretzel when faced with facts or reality. Read through this thread and write down a few names. Then search the forum for an old Zeke thread from his rookie season and you will find the same clowns back then.

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