Connor Williams back at practice

JohnsKey19 · Nov 20, 2019

stasheroo said:

Thompson was pretty brutal last week in Heath's place.

Stash · Nov 20, 2019

JohnsKey19 said:
Thompson was pretty brutal last week in Heath's place.

He was, "last week".

But I would say that 4 years to one game isn't a fair comparison, wouldn't you?

quickccc · Nov 20, 2019

this guy must be nuts; Cowboys are not going to ever do that unless Freddy is showing significant signs of injury.
even if he is still in a recovering mode from that season ending, the team will stick with Freddy as a starter and give him every opportunity to play that recovery period out.

i'm glad to have Looney as a emergency backup but Looney cannot make up the difference vs Freddy in call adjustments and adjusting help to stunts and twists on the move.

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Watching Xavier Su’a-Filo play, it’s obvious the #Cowboys run game greatly misses Connor Williams

Gotta think they’ll give Joe Looney a chance, played really well in Travis Fredrick’s absence last year

QuincyCarterEra · Nov 20, 2019

birdwells1 said:
LAST YEAR: Connor Williams started 8 games in which Zeke averaged 85 yards

LAST YEAR: Su's started 8 games in which Zeke averaged 107 yards.

Also, speaking of missed assignments, who missed the block on the 3rd and 2 against the Vikings? Yeah that's right Connor did.

That guy tweeting that must know the family or something, I can see if it were any other of our starting linemen but not Connor. He's kinda like Anthony Brown, they announced that he's out for the season and it didn't change a thing for our outlook because we all feel like Lewis can do at least as good if not a better job than him.

So in 17 career games the team averages 113 rushing yards when William's is in.
In 9 career games the team averages 103 yards when XSF is in.

But speaking of last year

Lol it's the one Williams missed assignment within th thread that we have no idea who to blame. Good job. Using one example from the season when I used four from the same game... yikes

quickccc · Nov 20, 2019

JohnsKey19 said:
Thompson was pretty brutal last week in Heath's place.

and Brady & co are going identify that and come right after Thompson

- ditto with Awuzie as well.

birdwells1 · Nov 20, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
So in 17 career games the team averages 113 rushing yards when William's is in.
In 9 career games the team averages 103 yards when XSF is in.

But speaking of last year

Lol it's the one Williams missed assignment within th thread that we have no idea who to blame. Good job. Using one example from the season when I used four from the same game... yikes

How many sacks did he give up against the Lions? So if I'm reading your PBS stats from last year in 309 pass attempts Connor gave up 19 pressures and in 155 pa XSF gave up 11 which if you double both numbers comes out to be 310 pa for 22 pressures 3 is not much of a difference. I give more credence to pressures because in sacks a qb could've thrown the ball away early and avoided a sack or scrambled away to avoid it but pressures are more indicative of pass blocking success or failure.

Since they're pretty close on the pass blocking stats, what you gonna do about this?

CONNOR 85 yards a game
XSF 107 yards a game

Notice that John Owning brought up Connor's draft status in making his point. Lol

Aven8 · Nov 20, 2019

Holding #52. 10 yard penalty, still 3rd down...........

buybuydandavis · Nov 20, 2019

MarcusRock said:
You really think Frederick is going to call out Williams on the field or in the press? I mean look at where the DT is lined up and tell me he didn't deserve more than a shoulder pad tap from Williams.

I agree that Frederick had no chance to make the cutoff block, but he directed his anger at the sidelines, not Williams. Makes me think the problem was with blocking assignments, not the execution of the assignments as given.

I wouldn't have thought Frederick would publicly rant at anyone, but I would consider it more likely he gets in a guy's face on the field than ranting toward the sidelines. But he didn't.

Again, he's not blaming Williams. I'm going with his judgment on this.

lopey · Nov 20, 2019

I'm not sure how to feel about Williams being back. I think he helps our run game but not so much the passing game.

JohnsKey19 · Nov 20, 2019

quickccc said:
and Brady & co are going identify that and come right after Thompson

- ditto with Awuzie as well.

My fear is the LBs will have a busy day covering RBs and TEs, or at least trying to.

birdwells1 · Nov 20, 2019

quickccc said:
this guy must be nuts; Cowboys are not going to ever do that unless Freddy is showing significant signs of injury.
even if he is still in a recovering mode from that season ending, the team will stick with Freddy as a starter and give him every opportunity to play that recovery period out.

i'm glad to have Looney as a emergency backup but Looney cannot make up the difference vs Freddy in call adjustments and adjusting help to stunts and twists on the move.

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Magic Mike FF @MagicMikeFF

Watching Xavier Su’a-Filo play, it’s obvious the #Cowboys run game greatly misses Connor Williams

Gotta think they’ll give Joe Looney a chance, played really well in Travis Fredrick’s absence last year

He did pretty good last year, not saying that he should be in but we don't have to talk down on Looney to prop up Fred.

InTheZone · Nov 20, 2019

stasheroo said:
He was, "last week".

But I would say that 4 years to one game isn't a fair comparison, wouldn't you?

true but I'm told Heath is the worst guy ever so matching his production shouldn't be difficult at all

MarcusRock · Nov 20, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
I agree that Frederick had no chance to make the cutoff block, but he directed his anger at the sidelines, not Williams. Makes me think the problem was with blocking assignments, not the execution of the assignments as given.

I wouldn't have thought Frederick would publicly rant at anyone, but I would consider it more likely he gets in a guy's face on the field than ranting toward the sidelines. But he didn't.

Again, he's not blaming Williams. I'm going with his judgment on this.

Sorry, but he's not going to blame Williams except privately I would think. I'm going by the video and by the video it shows that Frederick expected a better block from Williams there. If Frederick is quoted as saying that he, himself missed an assignment then I'll believe otherwise but it's pretty clear what Frederick expected from Williams in that situation..

QuincyCarterEra · Nov 20, 2019

birdwells1 said:
How many sacks did he give up against the Lions? So if I'm reading your PBS stats from last year in 309 pass attempts Connor gave up 19 pressures and in 155 pa XSF gave up 11 which if you double both numbers comes out to be 310 pa for 22 pressures 3 is not much of a difference. I give more credence to pressures because in sacks a qb could've thrown the ball away early and avoided a sack or scrambled away to avoid it but pressures are more indicative of pass blocking success or failure.

Since they're pretty close on the pass blocking stats, what you gonna do about this?

CONNOR 85 yards a game
XSF 107 yards a game

Notice that John Owning brought up Connor's draft status in making his point. Lol

The entire team gave up 1 sack, to a team that only had 19 sacks on the year coming in, so congrats? Thay he didn't give up a sack in one week after getting killed last year.

My job isn't really to help you read simple stats, but just to make it clear Williams was a huge upgrade in the passing game over XSF last year. In pressures, sacks, time to throw, everything. His time to throw was 22% higher than William's than XSF, THAT'S HUGE.

Lol yes 3 is a big number when using sample sizes of 19, that's 16% more.

They aren't pretty close in pass blocking they were miles apart, it seems you are very bad at deciphering statistics.

What am I going to do about what?
I already showed you that the team gains 10nmore rushing yards per game with William's in the XSF.

Maybe stats arent your thing?? Because your response was brutal. .

QuincyCarterEra · Nov 20, 2019

birdwells1 said:
How many sacks did he give up against the Lions? So if I'm reading your PBS stats from last year in 309 pass attempts Connor gave up 19 pressures and in 155 pa XSF gave up 11 which if you double both numbers comes out to be 310 pa for 22 pressures 3 is not much of a difference. I give more credence to pressures because in sacks a qb could've thrown the ball away early and avoided a sack or scrambled away to avoid it but pressures are more indicative of pass blocking success or failure.

Since they're pretty close on the pass blocking stats, what you gonna do about this?

CONNOR 85 yards a game
XSF 107 yards a game

Notice that John Owning brought up Connor's draft status in making his point. Lol

Lol the worst part about your post?

"How many sacks did XSF give up against the Lions?"

Right after

"I give more credence to pressures because in sacks a QB could blah blah blah blah".

YIKESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

MarcusRock · Nov 20, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
The entire team gave up 1 sack, to a team that only had 19 sacks on the year coming in, so congrats? Thay he didn't give up a sack in one week after getting killed last year.

My job isn't really to help you read simple stats, but just to make it clear Williams was a huge upgrade in the passing game over XSF last year. In pressures, sacks, time to throw, everything. His time to throw was 22% higher than William's than XSF, THAT'S HUGE.

Lol yes 3 is a big number when using sample sizes of 19, that's 16% more.

They aren't pretty close in pass blocking they were miles apart, it seems you are very bad at deciphering statistics.

What am I going to do about what?
I already showed you that the team gains 10nmore rushing yards per game with William's in the XSF.

Maybe stats arent your thing?? Because your response was brutal. .

Not for nothing dude but you moved the goal posts. You showed Williams' stats this year versus XSF's one game this year, which is why I chimed in. He comes back with an even 8 games to 8 games comparison in the same season and then you counter with Williams' 17 career games to XSF's 9 career games. 8 vs. 8 in the same season was a pretty fair comparison before you drill down the numbers. Maybe that's what needs to happen. Come on now. Debate fairly.

QuincyCarterEra · Nov 20, 2019

MarcusRock said:
Not for nothing dude but you moved the goal posts. You showed Williams' stats this year versus XSF's one game this year, which is why I chimed in. He comes back with an even 8 games to 8 games comparison in the same season and then you counter with Williams' 17 career games to XSF's 9 career games. 8 vs. 8 in the same season was a pretty fair comparison before you drill down the numbers. Maybe that's what needs to happen. Come on now. Debate fairly.

Sure I hate when goal posts are moved so I can appreciate that.

But after reviewing it's unclear how the poster came to this as XSF qctually only started 7 games, while William's did 9 games. I will now have to put in the heavy lifting to see the truth.

QuincyCarterEra · Nov 20, 2019

MarcusRock said:
Not for nothing dude but you moved the goal posts. You showed Williams' stats this year versus XSF's one game this year, which is why I chimed in. He comes back with an even 8 games to 8 games comparison in the same season and then you counter with Williams' 17 career games to XSF's 9 career games. 8 vs. 8 in the same season was a pretty fair comparison before you drill down the numbers. Maybe that's what needs to happen. Come on now. Debate fairly.

Alright so I did it myself.

Turns out it wasn't 8 games vs 8 games at all, actually there were two games where both XSF and Williams started the same game.
All of XSFs starts came with Cooper in the starting line up, while only three of Williams starts did.

In the games that William's started the team had:
1,193 yards on 257 Carries or 4.64 ypc, or 119.3 rushing yards per game
In the games that XSF started the team had:
933 yards on 204 carries or 4.57 ypc, or 116.6 rushing yards per game

So it turns out that the stats given were completely false.

The team averaged more yards per game and more yards per carry on the games William's started than XSF started, despite Cooper opening up the offense for the offense when XSF started.

robbieruff · Nov 20, 2019

MarcusRock · Nov 20, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Alright so I did it myself.

Turns out it wasn't 8 games vs 8 games at all, actually there were two games where both XSF and Williams started the same game.
All of XSFs starts came with Cooper in the starting line up, while only three of Williams starts did.

In the games that William's started the team had:
1,193 yards on 257 Carries or 4.64 ypc, or 119.3 rushing yards per game
In the games that XSF started the team had:
933 yards on 204 carries or 4.57 ypc, or 116.6 rushing yards per game

So it turns out that the stats given were completely false.

The team averaged more yards per game and more yards per carry on the games William's started than XSF started, despite Cooper opening up the offense for the offense when XSF started.

Well then. Good stuff. Did you include the overlapping games in these stats? Either way I don't think it'd make much of a difference but just curious.
So @birdwells1, what say ye regarding this since you brought that comparison up?

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