All-22 of Flag Being Thrown on 2nd Tripping Call

JoeKing · Nov 26, 2019

percyhoward said:
Watch this in real time. The timing is off, like the umpire is a couple of beats slow to react.

Note how he doesn't reach for the flag until he sees #70 Adam Butler give Zeke a free release at the line of scrimmage, leaving Zeke uncovered.

I watched this closely about a dozen times and I'm not seeing any delay in the flag being thrown. It happen right after the phantom tripping was supposed to have happened.

OmerV · Nov 26, 2019

Playmaker3128 said:
Its actually pretty simple.

Belliecheck and co prob warned the refs of "tripping" they saw before the game.

The refs know bellicheck has alot of pull, and are scared of him. So they basically indirectly do what he says.

I think the first part of this post is very plausible, but if the Pats did tell the refs to look for tripping, I don't think they made the calls because they were afraid of Bellichick (why would they be?), but rather because the suggesting was planted in their mind and they were predisposed to think it might happen.

CWR · Nov 26, 2019

MarcusRock said:
Influenced by direction for what purpose? People can't even get that straight. The popular CONSPIRACY! is that calls are made to keep games close. Wouldn't calls favor us in this case? Why New Orleans last year? Why Detroit several times? All people do is grasp at the wind but at the same time a CONSPIRACY! serves to give an excuse for a loss to help defend against an unacceptable result. Seeing as things like that are actually supported by psychological research, that is far more likely the "strong stance."

Before big games you even get the pre-whine ref threads. Only happens befybig games though. Why? It's to lessen disappointment for a feared loss and in a case where there is a controversial call, they can claim they were right (never happnens around here) plus have a "get off the hook" excuse for rival fans getting on them about the loss. I mean it's like clockwork. All it is is fear and emotion clouding judgement.

Influenced by direction would be the Tim Donaghy example. It happened. Its not crazy.

CPanther95 · Nov 26, 2019

Still think the first call was worse.

ActualCowboysFan · Nov 26, 2019

That ref has Dak as his linked in profile pic. :huh:

Kaiser · Nov 26, 2019

MarcusRock said:
It's just dumb and kindergarten logic.

Dumb kindergarten logic was two weeks ago when Witten got tackled in the End Zone and you spent five pages of a thread claiming he tripped over his own feet.

Kaiser · Nov 26, 2019

ActualCowboysFan said:
That ref has Dak as his linked in profile pic.

He is in the picture too.

ActualCowboysFan · Nov 26, 2019

Kaiser said:
He is in the picture too.

Ahh think we might have stumbled on the issue. Time for refs to get off the field instead of aiming for lucrative shilling positions on Fox based on bad calls against the Cowboys.

Cebrin · Nov 26, 2019

CPanther95 said:
The vast majority of these guys aren't going to sacrifice a great gig to manipulate the outcome of a game.

They know every play will be scrutinized.

I could see a case here where (just speculating) someone like Belichick tells them before game to keep an eye on tripping . Refs think "he watches a hell of a lot more tape than we do, so probably something to it"

Now they're all looking for it. One gets called.

Now this poor schlub in the video is not just looking for it, but has a previous call fresh in his head that was already called in this game.

It's a rare penalty, so it stands out even more. Now he's wondering if the Cowboys do actually have a habit of tripping ... and starts wondering how many he may have missed.

So he catches Frederick's leg go a little high but it didn't seem like a trip. However when the defender hits the ground he thinks maybe it was so he throws the flag .

Sadly, the rules don't apply to the refs logic as they do players. 100% inconclusive evidence. He guessed, and we saw that guess twice. They were both crap calls.

Kaiser · Nov 26, 2019

ActualCowboysFan said:
Ahh think we might have stumbled on the issue. Time for refs to get off the field instead of aiming for lucrative shilling positions on Fox based on bad calls against the Cowboys.

I hear you, but I don't think that is the issue. A Ref wouldn't make himself more attractive to the audience by screwing the team with the largest fan base.

I don't think its personal or even really targeted at the Cowboys. But if you look at all the bad calls and stretch of non-penalties on holding before, it all coincides with Goodell fighting with Jerry Jones but also being more aligned with the Giants owner.

Who knows the real story, its one of those things that will come out decades from now. In the 1970's all the OL in the NFL were taking steroids to bulk up - including the Cowboys - and it wasn't public for years.

Alexander · Nov 26, 2019

This is about as much fun as watching Bryant Catching It.

dogunwo · Nov 26, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
Analytics are fine and they definitely have their place but I am not a believer in the idea of using Analytics real time.

I agree with this, however it seems that the Cowboys don't even use analytics to prepare so you can be ready for game time decisions. Similar to how every coach is able to make a game time decision regarding two-point conversions. Mickey's argument came down to, "analytics aren't always right so you shouldn't use them."

Risen Star · Nov 26, 2019

I'll be honest. When I saw it live I thought Fredrick should be suspended.

ActualCowboysFan · Nov 26, 2019

Kaiser said:
I hear you, but I don't think that is the issue. A Ref wouldn't make himself more attractive to the audience by screwing the team with the largest fan base.

I don't think its personal or even really targeted at the Cowboys. But if you look at all the bad calls and stretch of non-penalties on holding before, it all coincides with Goodell fighting with Jerry Jones but also being more aligned with the Giants owner.

Who knows the real story, its one of those things that will come out decades from now. In the 1970's all the OL in the NFL were taking steroids to bulk up - including the Cowboys - and it wasn't public for years.

Worked for Dean Blandino

T-RO · Nov 26, 2019

Beaker42 said:
That fatass ref should be fired

He's doing the league's bidding...just following orders.

ABQCOWBOY · Nov 26, 2019

dogunwo said:
I agree with this, however it seems that the Cowboys don't even use analytics to prepare so you can be ready for game time decisions. Similar to how every coach is able to make a game time decision regarding two-point conversions. Mickey's argument came down to, "analytics aren't always right so you shouldn't use them."

I don't know how much they use them dogun, I just read the statement Garrett made and from what I read, he basically said that the team doesn't use analytics much during the games. I can understand why.

Now, I don't know about how much they use analytics to prepare for teams or put together gamed plans. If they are really not doing that, then there is some work to be done there.

DFWJC · Nov 26, 2019

CPanther95 said:
The vast majority of these guys aren't going to sacrifice a great gig to manipulate the outcome of a game.

They know every play will be scrutinized.

I could see a case here where (just speculating) someone like Belichick tells them before game to keep an eye on tripping . Refs think "he watches a hell of a lot more tape than we do, so probably something to it"

Now they're all looking for it. One gets called.

Now this poor schlub in the video is not just looking for it, but has a previous call fresh in his head that was already called in this game.

It's a rare penalty, so it stands out even more. Now he's wondering if the Cowboys do actually have a habit of tripping ... and starts wondering how many he may have missed.

So he catches Frederick's leg go a little high but it didn't seem like a trip. However when the defender hits the ground he thinks maybe it was so he throws the flag .

There are bad calls.
But with the video scrutiny they get now, I agree this isn't premeditated game manipulation.

Kaiser · Nov 26, 2019

ActualCowboysFan said:
Worked for Dean Blandino

Blandino was never a Ref. He was an intern at the NFL that worked his way up to be the NFL VP of Officiating.

ActualCowboysFan · Nov 26, 2019

Kaiser said:
Blandino was never a Ref. He was an intern at the NFL that worked his way up to be the NFL VP of Officiating.

Oh I know just saying he benefited greatly from screwing Dallas.

percyhoward · Nov 26, 2019

MarcusRock said:
It's to lessen disappointment for a feared loss and in a case where there is a controversial call, they can claim they were right (never happens around here) plus have a "get off the hook" excuse for rival fans getting on them about the loss. I mean it's like clockwork. All it is is fear and emotion clouding judgement.

90% of the time, that's probably true. Maybe even 95%. But 100%? That would require believing that officials are only human enough to make mistakes, but not human enough to have biases.

Nobody wants to be reminded that the ref is human, because that ruins the illusion.

It's like watching a western and the cowboy pulls a cellphone out of his pocket. It may very well be there, but you don't want to see it.

All-22 of Flag Being Thrown on 2nd Tripping Call

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