We bought into the hype

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Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

What are you even talking about?

Dallas has
QB 1st in yrds passing, 5th in pass avg, 3rd in td passes
RB 8th in rushing 138 yrds behind leader, 7th in tds
WR 4th and 19th in yrds, 4th in tds
OL Given up the least amount of sacks in the nfl
DE 8th in sacks
LB 1st in league in tackles

Its clear the biggest problem isnt the players. The problem is the system being run.

If you cant see this then you the team is the least of your worries, you just dont now what youre watching, if youre even watching at all.
 

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What are you even talking about?

Dallas has
QB 1st in yrds passing, 5th in pass avg, 3rd in td passes
RB 8th in rushing 138 yrds behind leader, 7th in tds
WR 4th and 19th in yrds, 4th in tds
OL Given up the least amount of sacks in the nfl
DE 8th in sacks
LB 1st in league in tackles

Its clear the biggest problem isnt the players. The problem is the system being run.

If you cant see this then you the team is the least of your worries, you just dont now what youre watching, if youre even watching at all.
I dont think Garrett is the issue.

I think the team is soft as hell!!
 

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Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

Disagree on the average claim. Players are underperforming, period. Our Pro Bowl OL, Zeke, Dak has been underperforming, won't use his legs to open up the passing game. WR's Cooper & Gallup are underperforming, Cooper disappears on the road. On defense, DLaw is underperforming, the 2 so called pro bowl LB's have regressed big time. Both starting CB's, BJones (use to cover), & Awuzie has no confidence and has been toasted nonstoo.

Maybe they got sucked into all their press clipping in the off season. Coaches are doing nothing to wake them up. Talent is one thing. Being content o just recieve a paycheck and not have any passion to improve is another. The passion isn't there. It all starts with the clapper. Soft is and soft they've bought into.
 

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Every year, fans just about of every team feel they are progressing and even getting into the post season and to the Superbowl. Cruel and sad, really. :confused: Hype is not indigenous to the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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Not all of us bought the hype. And I still don't think we have a lot of talent.
 

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The Cowboys have an excellent level of talent. Not sure why so many are down on this. The Cowboys organization suffers from a deep disconnect with details, preparation and fundamentals. It all starts with Jerry. I can only imagine the non stop crap that goes on during the week and even game day with Jerry parading in investors and friends to meet his players and see his "first rate" operation.

Garret was the perfect coach for Jerry. Throw enough money at him and he would never make waves and always kept the team in the hunt. Jerry runs the show in Dallas, don't forget that, and his Sons are same egotistical elitists as the old man. Players get used to not having to work their butts off during the week and just showing up on game day to give their all. Football is a grind for most ball clubs and Jerry has certainly taken the grind out the experience.

This team needs to lose out, miss the playoffs, have Garrett move on, and become a public laughing stock before anything remotely resembling progress will take place. It may even take Garrett returning to AT&T and whipping the Cowboys on his way to the playoffs next year.

A football GM lives in his office, works closely with the coaching staff and scouts and is constantly looking at talent and ways to upgrade the roster. Jerry is a low hanging fruit GM. I don't think he does much more than see what free agents are available and ponder what kind of a splash they can make if added to the roster. Jerry is a master promoter and developer. He is also in the midst of a major expansion of his natural gas holdings. How much time do you think he has for football ops? You think the organization makes a move without him?

The Cowboys are highly dysfunctional as a football team and the Owner/GM is the nucleus of the self destruction. Jerry is a master at developing hype, and yes, we all bought in.
 

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Again this fan base bought into the hype from everyone. I think we forgot how bad this team was last year until Copper showed up. It's clear now that this team is no where near as talented as the hype machine said they were. Very average roster, and some really bad spots that this team has never tired to fix

Speak for yourself. I didn't forget anything. Team is bad. Making Kellen Moore OC, doing nothing to shore up the Dline or safety, staying with Brett "Wildthing" Maher, and overpaying Zeke were clear signs the organization was complacent and believing its own hype.
 

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I’ve been a fan long enough not to buy into salesman Jerry or what any of the players say in TC.

I wait until I see the product in season. I always expect greatness but not surprised this is what we get.
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The Cowboys have an excellent level of talent. Not sure why so many are down on this. The Cowboys organization suffers from a deep disconnect with details, preparation and fundamentals. It all starts with Jerry. I can only imagine the non stop crap that goes on during the week and even game day with Jerry parading in investors and friends to meet his players and see his "first rate" operation.

Garret was the perfect coach for Jerry. Throw enough money at him and he would never make waves and always kept the team in the hunt. Jerry runs the show in Dallas, don't forget that, and his Sons are same egotistical elitists as the old man. Players get used to not having to work their butts off during the week and just showing up on game day to give their all. Football is a grind for most ball clubs and Jerry has certainly taken the grind out the experience.

This team needs to lose out, miss the playoffs, have Garrett move on, and become a public laughing stock before anything remotely resembling progress will take place. It may even take Garrett returning to AT&T and whipping the Cowboys on his way to the playoffs next year.

A football GM lives in his office, works closely with the coaching staff and scouts and is constantly looking at talent and ways to upgrade the roster. Jerry is a low hanging fruit GM. I don't think he does much more than see what free agents are available and ponder what kind of a splash they can make if added to the roster. Jerry is a master promoter and developer. He is also in the midst of a major expansion of his natural gas holdings. How much time do you think he has for football ops? You think the organization makes a move without him?

The Cowboys are highly dysfunctional as a football team and the Owner/GM is the nucleus of the self destruction. Jerry is a master at developing hype, and yes, we all bought in.
Post of the year!!:hammer::hammer::hammer:
 

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The Cowboys have an excellent level of talent. Not sure why so many are down on this. The Cowboys organization suffers from a deep disconnect with details, preparation and fundamentals. It all starts with Jerry. I can only imagine the non stop crap that goes on during the week and even game day with Jerry parading in investors and friends to meet his players and see his "first rate" operation.

Garret was the perfect coach for Jerry. Throw enough money at him and he would never make waves and always kept the team in the hunt. Jerry runs the show in Dallas, don't forget that, and his Sons are same egotistical elitists as the old man. Players get used to not having to work their butts off during the week and just showing up on game day to give their all. Football is a grind for most ball clubs and Jerry has certainly taken the grind out the experience.

This team needs to lose out, miss the playoffs, have Garrett move on, and become a public laughing stock before anything remotely resembling progress will take place. It may even take Garrett returning to AT&T and whipping the Cowboys on his way to the playoffs next year.

A football GM lives in his office, works closely with the coaching staff and scouts and is constantly looking at talent and ways to upgrade the roster. Jerry is a low hanging fruit GM. I don't think he does much more than see what free agents are available and ponder what kind of a splash they can make if added to the roster. Jerry is a master promoter and developer. He is also in the midst of a major expansion of his natural gas holdings. How much time do you think he has for football ops? You think the organization makes a move without him?

The Cowboys are highly dysfunctional as a football team and the Owner/GM is the nucleus of the self destruction. Jerry is a master at developing hype, and yes, we all bought in.
I was with you on everything...until you said Garrett returning to dallas with another team and beating us. You are way too bullish on Garrett as a head coach, at a minimum...he needs elite level talent up and down the roster. And if he suffers a significant injury...you might as well get ready for next season.
 

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I can root and support the Cowboys while at the same time understand realistically where the team is. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. I would know, as most of the others here, because I have been doing it for more than two decades now.

At this point I'd rather be surprised instead of let down. Does not mean I cheer for or support them any less than I did when they were winning Superbowls.

Hype is just hype and at this point it has been so hyped for decades that it's just overhyped nonsense really. Show it or shut up about it.


I both support this message and resemble this remark.

Nice post.
 

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I was with you on everything...until you said Garrett returning to dallas with another team and beating us. You are way too bullish on Garrett as a head coach, at a minimum...he needs elite level talent up and down the roster. And if he suffers a significant injury...you might as well get ready for next season.
You missed the point. The possibility of Jerry (and Family) changing is so minuscule I don't even believe Garrett coming back and whopping them will move the needle.
 

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What are you even talking about?

Dallas has
QB 1st in yrds passing, 5th in pass avg, 3rd in td passes
RB 8th in rushing 138 yrds behind leader, 7th in tds
WR 4th and 19th in yrds, 4th in tds
OL Given up the least amount of sacks in the nfl
DE 8th in sacks
LB 1st in league in tackles

Its clear the biggest problem isnt the players. The problem is the system being run.

If you cant see this then you the team is the least of your worries, you just dont now what youre watching, if youre even watching at all.
Humm 3-6 in the last 9 games. That is a player issue to. Watch the games plenty of times they miss tackles, drop balls, miss blocks. This so called " talented team" is far far from that. Coaching is pathetic to, it's a damn mess
 

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Post of the year!!:hammer::hammer::hammer:
You sure we have all this talent? We have one good corner, our safeties are average at best. We have no one to clog the middle and our Lb have been awful all year. On O this line is not close to what they were in say 2016, our star RB has clearly lost more then one step his burst is gone. We have above average WR and Dak has played well most of the year. Our backups suck. I'm not seeing all this talent
 

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Its a good thing its a team sport then.

Our defensive personnel isnt great however the entire team personnel is good enough and better than many teams that went to the superbowl.
We all want better safeties and DT's. Saying the roster is good enough to achieve so much more isnt saying the roster is bullet proof in every position.
It is simply saying that top level coaching staffs have taken rosters with less talent to greater places.

In the modern NFL you will have holes in several positions on your team no matter who you are. Salary cap, Free agency creates this problem for everyone.
Take a look at Seattle's roster and you will see my point.
really good point coaching is the thing that gives u the advantage in the modern nfl now days
 

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Speak for yourself. I didn't forget anything. Team is bad. Making Kellen Moore OC, doing nothing to shore up the Dline or safety, staying with Brett "Wildthing" Maher, and overpaying Zeke were clear signs the organization was complacent and believing its own hype.
I didn't buy into it either, but alot of fans did. I'm always honest to a fault about this team and it pisses off my myopic friends who think this team is still the 90s team
 

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Anyone in the past decade that hadn't realized that nothing can be corrected until the drunk is gone one way or the other has problems accepting reality.
 

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I'm not sure who you mean by "fan base". The NFL has become a year to year league (minus the Pats). Many on these forums know that. And said as much. Like Bill Parcells said. You'll know who you are by Thanksgiving. We're 6-6 so that is who we are.

Besides. When did it get to the point where you have to be a soothsayer extraordinaire and predict the future or you are "dumb". Stupid. Just part of the sheeple.

Oh. YOU bought into the hype train. Ha, Ha. Look how stupid you are.

Spare me. Who cares?

I mean, there is certainly a range, but so many of you DID buy into this. Hell, there are some people thinking, maybe if we got into the playoffs, they would turn it around. The team isn't good. Could they beat a good team if they have an off day? Yeah. Are they going to win 4 playoff games? 2 on the road? No.
 
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