Belichick Coming to Dallas could happen

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Jerry was a younger man in 2003. Don't underestimate the effect of age on a man's view of the world and his place in it. Jerry's got his gold jacket and all the money he could ever want or require. The one thing he can't buy is a super bowl and its the only things left for him to accomplish.

Jerry doesn't have a Super Bowl? And he hasn't been a billionaire for more than 20 years?
 

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Again, fair point, and maybe you're right. I just don't see it. Garret has been the "coach in training" for so long they had to know he was not up to the task long before this, and Jerry thought if he could just get enough talent around him they could overcome Jason's deficiencies. It doesn't mean Jerry is going to turn around and ALSO admit they need an established "football person" other than Jerry to win here.

If you see this as just winning - period, then sure, Jerry should be backing up the truck for Bill. If you see this as it has been for 25 years - winning and more importantly Jerry getting the vast majority of the credit for it, then no way it happens. Even though, if you look at it differently than someone like Jerry, he would get an amazing amount of credit for stealing Belichick away from NE. But he doesn't, he wants to be known as a football guy.

And I don't know Belichick well enough to know what his motivations are. Hell I doubt Mrs. Belichick does. But if for whatever reason he decides he wants to leave NE has has the pick of a LOT of franchises, many of whom do not have meddling owners like Jerry. He's already one of the most respected coaches in NFL history, so I don't know really what is left to prove for him at this point. What if he comes to Dallas and loses due to Jerry's meddling? Will more people be saying he only won because of Brady?
I think he would cement his legacy more by staying and winning without Brady. Heck he could go back to Cleveland and finally get that team a championship. IDK think this is all just wish full thinking on some posters parts.
 

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Jerry did see what bringing in a real name HC can do when he brought Parcels in after three straight 5/11 seasons and they went 10/6 and made the playoffs.
Hoping he was paying attention.
He wanted a new stadium. After 3 years of Campo 5-11, he knew he had to something desperate. So he brought in a guy who he knew was a splashy name, but at the same time was already in retirement and probably wouldn't be around long.

Again, he couldn't have been happier when Parcells left DESPITE the team's substantial improvement. It had nothing to do with that.
 

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Again, fair point, and maybe you're right. I just don't see it. Garret has been the "coach in training" for so long they had to know he was not up to the task long before this, and Jerry thought if he could just get enough talent around him they could overcome Jason's deficiencies. It doesn't mean Jerry is going to turn around and ALSO admit they need an established "football person" other than Jerry to win here.

If you see this as just winning - period, then sure, Jerry should be backing up the truck for Bill. If you see this as it has been for 25 years - winning and more importantly Jerry getting the vast majority of the credit for it, then no way it happens. Even though, if you look at it differently than someone like Jerry, he would get an amazing amount of credit for stealing Belichick away from NE. But he doesn't, he wants to be known as a football guy.

And I don't know Belichick well enough to know what his motivations are. Hell I doubt Mrs. Belichick does. But if for whatever reason he decides he wants to leave NE has has the pick of a LOT of franchises, many of whom do not have meddling owners like Jerry. He's already one of the most respected coaches in NFL history, so I don't know really what is left to prove for him at this point. What if he comes to Dallas and loses due to Jerry's meddling? Will more people be saying he only won because of Brady?

Jerry has always thought that JG would grow into the job and become his Landry. As usual, Jerry was wrong and he knows it. If I was a betting man, I wouldn't wager much on Belechek coming here but it does make sense on a certain level.
Dallas is the biggest stage and the biggest challenge. We have all the offensive pieces so his job would be to rebuild the defense and hire a smart OC to undo Garrets offense and take better advantage of the talent. Players would buy in immediately b/c he's the GOAT. The snag would be Jerry allowing him complete control over player personnel. Nobody wheels and deals and cuts players more than Belechek. Jerry would have to give him the reigns.
 

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Jerry was a younger man in 2003. Don't underestimate the effect of age on a man's view of the world and his place in it. Jerry's got his gold jacket and all the money he could ever want or require. The one thing he can't buy is a super bowl and its the only things left for him to accomplish. Firing JG won't be done easilly or for no good reason. The next hire won't be a freshly minted HC.
I would buy this more if Jerry had fired Jason last year at 3-5 instead of throwing a 1st round pick at a potential 1.5 year rental to save him. It was only a year ago. Just about ANY other owner in sports, no matter their age, would have rid themselves of Garret last year, if not well before.
 

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Wasn't He at the table that time Jerry got snubbed by Jimmy at the Table, which lead to Jerry saying those fateful words that lead to the end of the Jimmy Johnson era?

Not according to any sources I've ever seen. It appears to have been Bob Ackles and his wife, Nancy Dalyrimple, Norv Turner and a "handful of others from the Cowboys & Bears organizations"

Belichick was coach in Cleveland at this time

Here's an excerpt from Bob Ackles book:

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It’s more likely than most realize depending on how much Jerry is willing to allow BB to go all in on a short term window before he leaves Dallas.
 

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There is no source. The patriots do not confirm coaching contracts and nobody talks. Everybody who follows the NFL knows this ...........so we are left to infer from things we do know..........like it makes no sense that he would paint himself into a corner with a long term deal with no outs given that he has all the leverage in that relationship. We also know Josh McDaniels changed his mind at the last moment about being the Colts HC so he could return to being NE's OC...........hmmmmm why would he do that........

right, no source then, just speculation that cannot be confirmed, thx
 

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Jerry would have to give him the reigns.

And there's where you and I diverge. Jerry doesn't own a football team for them to win. He owns one for HIM to win. Handing off the reigns even slightly to Parcells drove him batty.

Once you look at everything through that prism, what Jerry does makes sense every time.

Heck, I hope you are right, would love to actually have some decent coaching here finally. I just don't see where it matches up for Jerry or Bill though.
 
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Not according to any sources I've ever seen. It appears to have been Bob Ackles and his wife, Nancy Dalyrimple, Norv Turner and a "handful of others from the Cowboys & Bears organizations"

Belichick was coach in Cleveland at this time

Here's an excerpt from Bob Ackles book:
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Yeah looks like you're right. The breakup happened because of a deal Jimmy had made with Belichick prior to that incident, and then the snub

The answer begins with a story Johnson told to a table of Dallas staff alumni, including Arizona Cardinal assistant general manager Bob Ackles, Chicago Bear coach Dave Wannstedt, Washington Commander coach Norv Turner and their spouses, at a party during the NFL meetings in Orlando on March 21. In the midst of Johnson's narrative, Jones approached the group, drink in hand, to offer a toast.

Johnson's story was this: The day before the 1992 NFL draft, the Dallas brain-trust—Johnson, Jones and Ackles—formulated a trade to offer the Cleveland Browns. Late that day, after Jones had left the office, Cleveland coach Bill Belichick called back to say he would do the deal, and the Cowboys announced it. On draft day Jones came to the office upset that he hadn't been called when the deal was confirmed, and he asked to see Johnson. Their meeting droned on until, with only five minutes left before the start of the draft, Jones told Johnson, "You know the ESPN camera is in the draft room today. So whenever we're about to make a pick, you look at me, like we're talking about it." In other words, Make me look as if I'm a big player here, even though we all know I'm not making the picks.

https://www.si.com/vault/1994/04/11...nally-boiled-over-making-a-divorce-inevitable
 

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Find another QB where ?
You can't buy them at Walmart.
We have a young top 10 QB ready to go.


Guess you've never heard of the draft. The Patriots have drafted and traded or let go of several QB's who have won some games for them or once they were traded. I don't think they like the current backup do they'll draft another guy and maybe give Brady another year to start

Dak isn't a top 10 anything. He's a stat collector but not a guy who can carry a team like most top 10 QB's do.
 

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He looked at Jerry as a football buffoon and treated him accordingly.

:laugh: one of many reasons to love Jimmy!

it was Jerry who talked Walker into accepting the trade and paid him 1 million dollars thus making it possible. Without Jerry coming to the rescue, that trade never happens.

he should definitely get credit for writing this big check (especially considering the financial duress he was under at that time) if only he'd been happy with credit for this and not trying to steal all the thunder soon thereafter until today

what's funny is he's quoted as saying:

"what you want me to do is stand back and write checks, by the way, that doesnt work either”

Uh, yes it did jeri, that's exactly what you you did when 3 Super Bowls were won during your ownership.

you can hear jeri make this statement at 1:14 in this video (but the entire thing is a good but irritating listen)

 

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Kate Beckinsale showing up at my office tomorrow and asking me out could happen. It won't, but it could.
 

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He wanted a new stadium. After 3 years of Campo 5-11, he knew he had to something desperate. So he brought in a guy who he knew was a splashy name, but at the same time was already in retirement and probably wouldn't be around long.

Again, he couldn't have been happier when Parcells left DESPITE the team's substantial improvement. It had nothing to do with that.

Cool narrative with zero behind it to prove it to be true.
 

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with only five minutes left before the start of the draft, Jones told Johnson, "You know the ESPN camera is in the draft room today. So whenever we're about to make a pick, you look at me, like we're talking about it." In other words, Make me look as if I'm a big player here, even though we all know I'm not making the picks.

pathetic
 
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