What is the tangible problem Jerry causes this team?

silvernblu · Dec 5, 2019

In the past, overpaying players last their prime and bustling the salary cap.

superonyx · Dec 5, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Jerry meddling and Garrett being a horrid coach are not mutually exclusive events, they both are true.

I mean, how is it Jerry's fault that after 10 years on the job Garrett still cant manage the clock, use timeouts, make challenges, and botch situational football? How exactly is Garrett being a complete dumpster fire on game day Jerry's fault?

Almost every coach around the league has fans saying the same thing about them. Fans always second guess any decision that didn’t work. We never give credit for the ones that did work.

but to answer your question. Having an Owner act like a fan and call you out for every decision that didn’t work out makes you second guess yourself. Most people don’t perform at their best when a camera flashes towards the owner anytime something goes poorly.

Jerry has set every coach he hires up for failure. He hires the coaches assistants so they all report to him. He is in the locker room and having players come to dinner at his house.

I guarantee Dak, Zeke, Cooper, Jaylon all have Jerry’s personal cell phone number.
I bet no Eagles player has Howie Roseman (GM) or Jeffery Lauries cell number.

ondaedg · Dec 5, 2019

Parcells4Life said:
There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

He destroys the natural order of command between a HC and his players. JJ is like that parent that overrules the other parent everytime they are trying to discipline a child. The HC needs that authority and without it they don't have the same level of respect that other head coaches would get.

sunalsorises · Dec 5, 2019

It's everything from going into the sunglasses business with a player to bringing in famous distractions to watch practice and meet players. The team walks through a bar to play games. It all becomes too much--the talking in the media, the hobnobbing, forcing players on the coach, just being shown on TV doling out high fives in the owner's box after a score--it creates a culture that impedes consistent winning.

CowboyRoy · Dec 5, 2019

Asklesko said:
Jerry holds Garrett back, I reckon. I won't be surprised when Garrett goes somewhere else and averages 11-5.

CyberB0b · Dec 5, 2019

Tangible proof? How about the last two decades?

shabazz · Dec 5, 2019

fivetwos said:
Umm... he HIRED him.

Not only that, he KEPT him, and for a DECADE.

That answer it for you??

Hiring him was questionable at best, keeping him this long is criminal.

Rockport · Dec 5, 2019

Parcells4Life said:
There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

It’s as obvious as the nose on your face. He’s created a sense of entitlement what with Jerry’s World, The Ranch, his speeches to the players about this is the Dallas Cowboys one of the greatest sports organizations in the world. Training camp in Oxnard, all the perks. The players feel they can just throw the helmet out there with the star on it and win games.

Diehardblues · Dec 5, 2019

Idgit said:
It’s mostly the constant circus atmosphere. The players say they get used to it, but I think it’s probably a constant low-level distraction in a business where you have to minimize distractions.

I think his open-door policy for players undermines his coaches, too.

This offseason, I think they were pretty good, but I do think it being a contract year for Garrett made Jerry less willing to have position coaches and coordinators on longer term guaranteed deals. I think that’s part of why they elevated Moore and O’Quinn. And it’s pretty obvious O’Quinn isn’t ready for that coordinator job.

The last thing Jerry does that isn’t helpful is the publicly undermining his coach from week to week. I think a lot of that stuff gets overblown, but I do think it gets heard by players and they react to it.

Right

Garrett is responsible for his Game Day miscues but it’s the overall distractions and dysfunction which derail the franchise.

It’s a toxic atmosphere regardless who the HC has been.

Jake · Dec 5, 2019

Parcells4Life said:
There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

Jerry and Stephen cut the legs out from under their coaches, undermining their authority at every turn. There is no reason good reason for them to be telling the world what they're thinking because it sends the message to the players that what the coaches say really doesn't matter.

If half a dozen coaches in 23+ years of nothing hasn't made that apparent I guess nothing will. By all means, keep defending a failed model and excusing the men responsible for it.

Diehardblues · Dec 5, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Jerry meddling and Garrett being a horrid coach are not mutually exclusive events, they both are true.

I mean, how is it Jerry's fault that after 10 years on the job Garrett still cant manage the clock, use timeouts, make challenges, and botch situational football? How exactly is Garrett being a complete dumpster fire on game day Jerry's fault?

I’m not sure anyone can have success any longer in this toxic environment.

There’s been one constant thru how many coaches?

We will continue spinning the coaching carousel wheel but I don’t have hope Jerry is going to change.

We’ve had a HOF HC and prob of the best DC come in this era with no more success . Who’s going to want this job?

Starforever · Dec 5, 2019

Before Garrett, how was the team doing?

birdwells1 · Dec 5, 2019

Rockport said:
It’s as obvious as the nose on your face. He’s created a sense of entitlement what with Jerry’s World, The Ranch, his speeches to the players about this is the Dallas Cowboys one of the greatest sports organizations in the world. Training camp in Oxnard, all the perks. The players feel they can just throw the helmet out there with the star on it and win games.

It's not necessarily that but the players get perks (endorsement, fame, notoriety and adulation) that players on other teams have to win super bowls to obtain. I remember a couple of years ago pretty much every starter had a radio show and even the nickel cb had a radio show, where else does that happen? I bet in the Dallas viewing area these players are on every other local commercial spot there is, selling cars pizzas, tvs and everything else. It's now that just being a Dallas Cowboys is enough to make them feel like they've made it, what's winning going to change?

It reminds me of the UT Longhorns, Austin is a big city but doesn't have a pro team so UT is the closest thing to it, when the player go out on the town they are treated like celebrities because in Austin they are. If you play well for them then you'll probably be able to write your own check after your playing career is over. They like the Cowboys are a soft team because things are given to them that others have to work hard and have accomplishments to get and when they (Cowboys and Longhorns) go up against one of those teams they usually don't fare well.

birdwells1 · Dec 5, 2019

Starforever said:
Before Garrett, how was the team doing?

Kinda like they're doing now, under performing some years and making the playoffs in others but not really challenging for a super bowl berth.

Rockport · Dec 5, 2019

birdwells1 said:
It's not necessarily that but the players get perks (endorsement, fame, notoriety and adulation) that players on other teams have to win super bowls to obtain. I remember a couple of years ago pretty much every starter had a radio show and even the nickel cb had a radio show, where else does that happen? I bet in the Dallas viewing area these players are on every other local commercial spot there is, selling cars pizzas, tvs and everything else. It's now that just being a Dallas Cowboys is enough to make them feel like they've made it, what's winning going to change?

It reminds me of the UT Longhorns, Austin is a big city but doesn't have a pro team so UT is the closest thing to it, when the player go out on the town they are treated like celebrities because in Austin they are. If you play well for them then you'll probably be able to write your own check after your playing career is over. They like the Cowboys are a soft team because things are given to them that others have to work hard and have accomplishments to get and when they (Cowboys and Longhorns) go up against one of those teams they usually don't fare well.

Good comparison to the Longhorns. They suffer the same entitlement issues as the Cowboys.

birdwells1 · Dec 5, 2019

Diehardblues said:
I’m not sure anyone can have success any longer in this toxic environment.

There’s been one constant thru how many coaches?

We will continue spinning the coaching carousel wheel but I don’t have hope Jerry is going to change.

We’ve had a HOF HC and prob of the best DC come in this era with no more success . Who’s going to want this job?

You'd probably need a coach with skins on the wall, so that the hiring itself is indicative of who's running the show. Someone to make JJ walk on eggshells again just by his hiring alone. Bill B or Harbaugh for instance would be able to change the culture here not saying that they're candidates but coach with that type of rep.

Bobhaze · Dec 5, 2019

Parcells4Life said:
There’s been a lot of talk the last few days of how Jerry is interfering in how Jason wants to run the team. He says things on the radio. Well of course he does. It’s part of the teams contract with the radio station.

What does anything Jerry say have to do with Jaylon missing tackles in the open field or Maher missing kicks?

Jerry hasn’t been any different his whole career. Yet supposedly, magically when the team went on the run last year he stopped interfering?

Or when they went 13-3 in 2016 with the Romo issue which had to kill him personally he was silent but yet caused destruction in the playoff game vs GB?

Please. Talking heads are trying to find sophisticated reasons beyond rehashing the same stuff. Yes I know it came from Troy which means it probably came from Garrett. But if you’re in the NFL you’re paid to do your job.

Now if Jason wanted to cut Maher and Jerry said no then ok that’s a TANGIBLE problem. Or if he’s dictating Zeke get 25 carries a game no matter what. But there has NEVER been concrete proof he’s ever done anything to demand play calls.

The team has just been cursed by not focusing on details on every snap going back to Romos dropped hold vs Seattle. That’s a coaching and player issue not owner/GM issue because these things seem to pop up at the weirdest times like Zekes fumble vs NO. It’s not like he’s keeping guys that have a track record of this aside from Maher. That’s just because there’s no better options available.

We have had six head coaches since we last won a SB. The only constant in our 24 year drought is Jerry. This owner/GM is most responsible for the culture that has led to the near quarter century of playoff drought. Anything that says Jerry is not the problem is gaslighting IMO.

Parcells4Life · Dec 5, 2019

Bobhaze said:
We have had six head coaches since we last won a SB. The only constant in our 24 year drought is Jerry. This owner/GM is most responsible for the culture that has led to the near quarter century of playoff drought. Anything that says Jerry is not the problem is gaslighting IMO.

So how are the players able to overcome Jerry to go 7-1 down the stretch and beat the Seahawks in the first round?

When has Jerry overturned discipline a coach wanted to impose on a player?

If the team was the Lions I’d agree that it’s Jerry. But winning the division many years, getting the #1 seed and just choking it away is not Jerry’s problem. Jerry didn’t make Patrick Crayton drop the slant vs NYG or DeMarco fumble in GB

It’s a convenient excuse. Not saying it’s not AN issue but it’s not THE issue.

Bobhaze · Dec 5, 2019

Parcells4Life said:
So how are the players able to overcome Jerry to go 7-1 down the stretch and beat the Seahawks in the first round?

When has Jerry overturned discipline a coach wanted to impose on a player?

If the team was the Lions I’d agree that it’s Jerry. But winning the division many years, getting the #1 seed and just choking it away is not Jerry’s problem. Jerry didn’t make Patrick Crayton drop the slant vs NYG or DeMarco fumble in GB

It’s a convenient excuse. Not saying it’s not AN issue but it’s not THE issue.

When has Jerry overturned discipline a coach wanted to impose...seriously?

1996- Michael Irvin in “Scissor-gate”.
2006- Jerry imposed TO on to the team without Parcells approval. Big Bill felt TO would be a locker room and discipline problem.
2015- Jerry would not allow Garrett to discipline Greg Hardy after Hardy’s inappropriate behavior on the sideline- knocking a clipboard out of coach’s hand. Jerry publicly said he wouldn’t discipline Hardy.
2017- (Literally on tape in “All or Nothing”) When Zeke loafed after an interception in Denver loss, Coaches were about to discipline Zeke and Jerry interfered saying, “The kid’s been through a lot”.

I’m sure I’m forgetting some. But it’s laughable to say Jerry doesn’t interfere with discipline.

sunalsorises · Dec 5, 2019

Bobhaze said:
When has Jerry overturned discipline a coach wanted to impose...seriously?

1996- Michael Irvin in “Scissor-gate”.

2006- Jerry imposed TO on to the team without Parcells approval. Big Bill felt TO would be a locker room and discipline problem.

2015- Jerry would not allow Garrett to discipline Greg Hardy after Hardy’s inappropriate behavior on the sideline- knocking a clipboard out of coach’s hand. Jerry publicly said he wouldn’t discipline Hardy.

2017- (Literally on tape in “All or Nothing”) When Zeke loafed after an interception in Denver loss, Coaches were about to discipline Zeke and Jerry interfered saying, “The kid’s been through a lot”.

I’m sure I’m forgetting some. But it’s laughable to say Jerry doesn’t interfere with discipline.

I'll add in Randy Gregory being on the team. Why was Josh Brent allowed on the sideline after his legal issues? Dez Bryant alone provides many examples. Whatever happened to that whole walmart/Dez Bryant photo thing?

What is the tangible problem Jerry causes this team?

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