A new paint job is not enough

Reverend Conehead · Dec 5, 2019

CouchCoach said:
He hired Parcells with an ulterior motive that some do not seem to agree with me on. They think Parcells had little to do with him getting that stadium deal done and I couldn't disagree with that more. That was the only reason he hired Parcells and agreed to give up control of the team.

The only way I will ever back off on that is if he does that again with another HC but that is not going to happen.

You want to build a new stadium on that scope, you need credibility that you know what you're doing other than three straight 5-11 seasons. To get the stadium that Booger wanted, he needed some attention getting, something that sent the message that he was serious about winning. The only thing he could have done better than that was bring Johnson back. Booger hiring Parcells and giving him control was the shockwave of that season.

I have this sinking feeling that we won't see another championship caliber team until Jerry dies. I'm not a monster, of course. I'm not hoping for him to die. I would much rather see him make the changes needed to make this team a winner. I don't have anything against him as a human being. He's a great guy. I just don't think he's the right guy to be our GM. I think he should delegate that out. It's extremely frustrating.

CouchCoach · Dec 5, 2019

Risen Star said:
Exactly. Either Jerry gets "uncomfortable" again or the new head coach doesn't matter.

THAT is not happening, never, ever, ever happening. His comfort level is paramount.

CouchCoach · Dec 5, 2019

Reverend Conehead said:
I have this sinking feeling that we won't see another championship caliber team until Jerry dies. I'm not a monster, of course. I'm not hoping for him to die. I would much rather see him make the changes needed to make this team a winner. I don't have anything against him as a human being. He's a great guy. I just don't think he's the right guy to be our GM. I think he should delegate that out. It's extremely frustrating.

Since the Cowboys, post Booger are an unknown, I don't hold out hope that this will ever really change. I have accepted that this is how it is and it is my choice whether to remain a fan or not. And there is some solace in that as I am not nearly as frustrated as some are here.

I will admit my dislike and distaste for him, as I do not think he's a great guy, does give me joy to seem him unhappy or angry about losing and that is one hell of a weird realtionship with my team of over 50 years.

TwoCentPlain · Dec 5, 2019

Bobhaze said:
But shouldn't we also say that’s stupid? There’s a reason 30 of the 32 owners in this league hire real football people to run their organizations. It’s why the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by owners who hire football people. It doesn’t work anymore, and we have over two decades of evidence to prove it.

Define "real football people." Give examples of "real football people." Go cherry pick all the winners. Belichick, Landry, etc.
Was the Bears' GM/HC/Scouts who traded up for Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson on the board a "real football persons?" Was the Buffalo GM/HC/Scouts who traded down with KC and passed on Mahomes "real football people?" Yes, they are and they made a mistake. It happens to all. Real football people passed on Joe Montana and Tom Brady and Randy Moss.

Jerry Jones played football in HS and college. Jerry Jones has been an owner/GM for 30 years and has made football his passion in life. Not only is Jerry Jones a "real football person" but Jerry Jones surrounds himself with "real football people." McClay is a real football person. Jason Garrett is a real football person. All of the coaches have been real football people. These are people who have ate, drank, and slept football for the past 30 or more years of their lives.

It is hard to win in the NFL. It is hard to draft players. It is hard to cut/sign players. You can do everything right and still not win.
Jerry Jones is a real football person. No doubt about that. The team just hasn't won SBs for a long time. Lot of reasons for that but it has nothing to do with not having "real football people" here in Dallas.

Parcells4Life · Dec 5, 2019

Will McClay is the real football person that makes all personnel evaluations. Jerry wants to take credit, but he wasn’t even involved in the Zeke or DLaw signings so how involved can be be in other areas if he’s not in the room when his two most important signings last season happened?

it’s all a mirage that people are falling for.

I believe he pushes people that won’t go against him and Garrett is not one to push back when it comes to coaching personnel because he doesn’t want to be replaced so he figures how he can work within the system.

Bullflop · Dec 5, 2019

The current situation isn't about to instill any inclination on Jerry's part unless it fails miserably. Otherwise Jerry will be encouraged to continue managing his team the way he has for decades. I'm seriously hoping for this team to lose two more games to alter his contentment with the way he's chosen to run it. Jerry's comfort level needs to be shaken enough to facilitate sweeping change. Otherwise, the status quo will persist.

jnday · Dec 5, 2019

Risen Star said:
Exactly. Either Jerry gets "uncomfortable" again or the new head coach doesn't matter.

If the fanbase , and this is a big IF” , would stick together and let Jerry’s pride-n-joy stadium only be half full for a couple of games, it would get Herry’s attention. A few anti-Jerry billboards around Dallas would help as well. The only problem is that half of this fanbase will tolerate the team being this screwed-up. Jerry don’t like to be embarrassed.

TwentyOne · Dec 5, 2019

Bobhaze said:
IMO, When fans say, “Jerry owns the team...he can do whatever he wants with it”, they are perpetuating this ongoing problem with this team which has led to nearly a quarter century of playoff failure. Yes, we all know Jerry paid $147 mil for the Cowboys in ‘89, so technically he can drive this franchise off a cliff if he wants to. In fact, that’s exactly what he’s done.

But shouldn't we also say that’s stupid? There’s a reason 30 of the 32 owners in this league hire real football people to run their organizations. It’s why the last 23 Super Bowls have been won by owners who hire football people. It doesn’t work anymore, and we have over two decades of evidence to prove it.

Jerry is THE BIGGEST PROBLEM. He’s created this culture and lack of accountability. Sure Garrett is a bad coach. But without changing how this franchise is run and just turning around and hiring another coach with the same culture and lack of accountability...it’s like a new paint job on The Titanic. There will always be an iceberg. Hiring Urban Meyer, Lincoln Riley or even Bill Belechick without changing the fundamentals of how this team is run will not save this team.

We’ve had nearly a quarter century of icebergs with 6 different coaches. And ONE GM. I know Jerry “has the right” to do what he wants, but shouldn’t we also recognize that If he doesn’t change, the results won’t either?

That JJ can do whatever he wants with something that is his is trivial and shouldnt be thrown into conversation. Its an "argument" people use to distract from the real problems.

And i am with you. JJ and now his son and the way this franchise is run is the real problem. I dont want to start again where i think the problems are but you are right, changing the HC even if Garrett is not the good one we all would love to have, wont change a lot.

Alexander · Dec 5, 2019

Bobhaze said:
That’s why the Belechick threads I was reading this week are crazy. The GOAT HC wants to come to Dallas where the owner picks the assistants and schemes? It’s laughable.

CPanther95 said:
If this is even remotely true, it doesn't matter who they bring in as HC. Any HC willing to defer to Jerry for his assistants isn't a coach that is going to accomplish anything.

Even Bill Parcells got Zimmer forced on him. And that is the coordinator. No head coach Jones has ever brought in has ever had complete autonomy. So think about which guy is going to accept that. Thins the herd down significantly. Most coaches that want a job have to prove to owners they have a staff to bring with them. Our situation is the exact opposite.

Alexander · Dec 5, 2019

jnday said:
If the fanbase , and this is a big IF” , would stick together and let Jerry’s pride-n-joy stadium only be half full for a couple of games, it would get Herry’s attention. A few anti-Jerry billboards around Dallas would help as well. The only problem is that half of this fanbase will tolerate the team being this screwed-up. Jerry don’t like to be embarrassed.

He does not care about being embarrassed. Don't be conned. As long as the relevance is there. Or when he needs a new stadium.

GoCowboysGo · Dec 5, 2019

JJ has stated numerous times that he bought the team to be a part of football operations. His actual, real life fantasy football.

what I don’t understand is how he doesn’t see that he is the impediment? He once stayed the team didn’t need to invest in an offensive line because Romo was a good scrambler. He also said the team could win with any head coach, and has since doubled down on that “philosophy”.

I wish he could be happy as the owner, with an excellent GM, Pres of football operations, and HC and show he can be an owner who has a great eye For talented front office personnel.

I guess one could dream.

johneric8 · Dec 5, 2019

CouchCoach said:
He earned that nickname from me the night of the opening of the stadium when he was on the Boogertron, and all across America, knuckle deep in his nostril. It helped that they lost that game and the previous one to close the old Texas Stadium, I was already cruising for something.

Some don't like it and call me out on it, to no avail. That's his nickname and I will never address him as any other. I don't see why it bothers some posters. Is it juvenile and silly, of course it is but so am I. I come here to be juvenile and silly.

To my knowledge, I am the only one that uses that exclusively. This started on the old DC.com and a poster with a 1000 names, but Don was one of them, was our forum illustrator and when I first used Booger & Son, he did a plumbers van with that on the side and I wish I'd copied that for my sig.

I don't care how many billions that egotistical narcissist makes, he is and always will be Booger to me.

I feel you man, I can relate, I came up with Kellen "the beaver" Moore

Bobhaze · Dec 5, 2019

Risen Star said:
Exactly. Either Jerry gets "uncomfortable" again or the new head coach doesn't matter.

That’s an excellently succinct summary of Jerry’s “either or”. Either run things to win a championship or continue to run things “his way”.

ArtClink · Dec 5, 2019

ninja said:
Define "real football people." Give examples of "real football people." Go cherry pick all the winners. Belichick, Landry, etc.
Was the Bears' GM/HC/Scouts who traded up for Trubisky with Mahomes and Watson on the board a "real football persons?" Was the Buffalo GM/HC/Scouts who traded down with KC and passed on Mahomes "real football people?" Yes, they are and they made a mistake. It happens to all. Real football people passed on Joe Montana and Tom Brady and Randy Moss.

Jerry Jones played football in HS and college. Jerry Jones has been an owner/GM for 30 years and has made football his passion in life. Not only is Jerry Jones a "real football person" but Jerry Jones surrounds himself with "real football people." McClay is a real football person. Jason Garrett is a real football person. All of the coaches have been real football people. These are people who have ate, drank, and slept football for the past 30 or more years of their lives.

It is hard to win in the NFL. It is hard to draft players. It is hard to cut/sign players. You can do everything right and still not win.
Jerry Jones is a real football person. No doubt about that. The team just hasn't won SBs for a long time. Lot of reasons for that but it has nothing to do with not having "real football people" here in Dallas.

It ain't "cherry picking" when you say we haven't won a measly div playoff game in 24 years, much less an NFC championship game which we have failed to reach in 24 years as well.

Cherry picking is the antithesis of a discussion of Cowboy's playoff futility over a continuous 24 year period.

MyFairLady · Dec 5, 2019

The last 25 years have been a complete and utter failure and it is almost 100% due to poor decision making and a lack of focus on actual football. It is gonna take a miracle.

MyFairLady · Dec 5, 2019

I can 100% guarantee that no other franchise would have spent a second round pick on Jaylon Smith then let him play for years even though he was clearly awful then sign him to a monster deal then let him spend half the season conducting personal business at the star. This is a shining example of the type of decision making that just plain kills this team.

Why is Witten back and getting money and playing time even though he is a fossil and provides no real value? Cause Jerruh loves him and wants him to be the all time TD leader. Not because it is good for the football team.

Why did we draft a running back #4 overall then extend him 2 years early to a massive deal even though it is completely the opposite of what we were told when we drafted him? Not because it makes good football sense.

Why do we trade first round picks for WRs like there is no tomorrow? Why did we resign a declining Dez? Why is a child coordinating the offense? Why do our special teams stink.

The answer to all of these questions is because the Owner of the team likes it this way.

Diehardblues · Dec 5, 2019

CouchCoach said:
He earned that nickname from me the night of the opening of the stadium when he was on the Boogertron, and all across America, knuckle deep in his nostril. It helped that they lost that game and the previous one to close the old Texas Stadium, I was already cruising for something.

Some don't like it and call me out on it, to no avail. That's his nickname and I will never address him as any other. I don't see why it bothers some posters. Is it juvenile and silly, of course it is but so am I. I come here to be juvenile and silly.

To my knowledge, I am the only one that uses that exclusively. This started on the old DC.com and a poster with a 1000 names, but Don was one of them, was our forum illustrator and when I first used Booger & Son, he did a plumbers van with that on the side and I wish I'd copied that for my sig.

I don't care how many billions that egotistical narcissist makes, he is and always will be Booger to me.

I sure miss Don. One of my favorite clowns.I still have several of the Photoshops he made for me.

Diehardblues · Dec 5, 2019

Risen Star said:
Exactly. Either Jerry gets "uncomfortable" again or the new head coach doesn't matter.

Even if he gets uncomfortable like he attempted to with Bill it probably won’t matter. Not for long unless you have immediate success cause Jerry will become inpatient and begin meddling.

A greater HC could help initially on Game Day like 2003 was no doubt the best coaching job we’ve seen this generation by Parcells taking a 3-time 5-11 team to the playoffs with Quincy.

I believe from this point forward our HC’s will have a much abbreviated tenure here. There will no longer be patience for the process. Win now or gone . 2 years max without at least a SB appearance.

TwoCentPlain · Dec 5, 2019

ArtClink said:
It ain't "cherry picking" when you say we haven't won a measly div playoff game in 24 years, much less an NFC championship game which we have failed to reach in 24 years as well.

Cherry picking is the antithesis of a discussion of Cowboy's playoff futility over a continuous 24 year period.

What is your definition of "real football person?" What traits make a person a "real football person?" Played the game? 4 Year degree in _____? Former college scout? Or do you just want to cry about not having won a playoff game or whatever for however long? If you just want to have a good cry, I'll send you a box of tissues.

Bottom line: Jerry, Stephen, and the coaches and scouts are "real football people" who have dedicated their lives to football and are trying to put out a winner. We haven't got the super bowls in a long time. So, what. It is hard to win a super bowl. 31 Other teams with a hard salary cap and a draft where every team pools from the same group of players. The NFC East has historically been the toughest division in football to win for the past 40-50 years. The team record has been good for the past 30 years in general, the drafts have been good for the past 30 years. Just missing the ultimate prize, the SB.

nobody · Dec 5, 2019

Division champs...ooh..you're the champ among 4 teams.... what a true accomplishment! (and those 3 other teams have been near absolute garbage compared to the rest of the League to boot!)

Nope, that isn't an accomplishment...it's an embarrassment compared to what the Cowboys used to be. Jerry is definitely the problem.

How many playoff wins since their last SB win in how many years? That's all you need to know.

A new paint job is not enough

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What's it going to be then, eh?

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What's it going to be then, eh?

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