The case against Chip Kelly as head coach

cowboyec · Dec 6, 2019

Tommy Prothro was another one.
HC at Ucla before getting his 1st NFL gig.
tremendous offensive mind.

cowboyec · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
Early 70s. As in, almost 50 years ago.

so it only counts if its in the 00's???
then state that clearly next time.

EGTuna · Dec 6, 2019

Urban Meyer would be a great hire. He won a title at two places where expectations are to win titles and nothing less. That is darn impressive. He delivered. Without NFL starting caliber QBs. So he comes here with Dak, Zeke, Cooper (hopefully), Gallup, Pollard, Jarwin. They would all be utilized to their strengths vs. running Garrett's 92 Cowboys Turner scheme (which Turner doesn't even run anymore!).

Meyer would hire coaches and have them tailor a scheme to suit the talent vs. the opposite (Garrett/Old School method). He's a Friend of Belichick, so he's not a Spurrier or Petrino type coach that is unprepared for the NFL and married to a specific scheme.

baltcowboy · Dec 6, 2019

Fmart322 said:
I don't understand the love for any of these college coaches. Grab a NFL caliber coach so we don't have to hire a new coach in three years.

Jerry wants a college coach so he can keep control. A college coach with a big name will still need his support because the coach is not going to be able to navigate through the NFL waters.

erod · Dec 6, 2019

cowboyec said:
so it only counts if its in the 00's???
then state that clearly next time.

Iron ore was the key military advantage for the Hittites. That doesn't mean they could have won World War II.

DoctorChicken · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy

Yes, he did, specifically his first two years at Florida.

Flamma · Dec 6, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
But thats a bunch of garbage. He didn't get run out of OSU. He still works there. lol

I basically said that because I just hate the RPO.

ABQCOWBOY · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach.

I'd say forget that for sure because there is no proof of that.

65fastback2plus2 · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
Which is why they're just killing it in the NFL.

Name one coach that went straight from college to the NFL and had success other than Jimmy Johnson.

Paul Brown
Tom Coughlin
Dennis Green
Lou Holtz
Marv Levy

ScipioCowboy · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
Geez. Read the OP. It wasn't about Chip Kelly.

Okay, boomer. It’s a play on a meme.

cowboyec · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
Iron ore was the key military advantage for the Hittites. That doesn't mean they could have won World War II.

my point is....there are examples thru out the history of this league....there are college HCs who win in this league....like Prothro,Coryell,Johnson,Switzer....and some who dont.
there are NFL asst's who win...Landry,Lombardi,Madden....and some who dont...Campo,Phillips,Garrett.

Sydla · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

Comparing Meyer to Kelly is chuckleworthy.

dreghorn2 · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
Iron ore was the key military advantage for the Hittites. That doesn't mean they could have won World War II.

Have to give a like for the Hittite reference.

CowboysFaninHouston · Dec 6, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
The analogy to chip kelly is absurd. Urban Myer has succeeded at every level of college football is more akin to Jimmy Johnson than Chip Kelly.

key is EVERY LEVEL OF COLLEGE FOOTBALL....doesn't mean it translates to pros....Saban succeeded at every level of College football and he failed in the NFL. perhaps he succeeded because he was a sleazy recruiter (some call it good). college is all about recruiting....not much else.

CowboysFaninHouston · Dec 6, 2019

John813 said:
Chip Kelly tried to reinvent the offensive mindset in the NFL. Uptempo and hurry up offense.
Wore out his defense and his GM skills rivaled Jerry Jones.

Urban Meyer for what I know of, just ran the spread a lot in college.

reinvent? it was done before him.... Bills and Kelly ran the hurry up offense for years and had quite a bit of success. Bengals did it too. so it wasn't reinvented. it was done before... more successfully than Chip Kelly

romothesavior · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
In fact, Chip's offense translates better than Meyer's

In what way is that true?

Shane612 · Dec 6, 2019

No to Kelly.

Shane612 · Dec 6, 2019

Point is moot.
No worthy coach will want to work for a control freak like Jerry Jones.
That's why Garrett is still here.
When Jerry finds some stooge like Garrett, he'll fire Garrett.

BoysForLife · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
I already provided that one. Name another. It's been tried over and over, each time with abject failure.

Then honest question:

Why are you on the Lincoln Riley train?

gimmesix · Dec 6, 2019

erod said:
For the life of me, I just don't understand all this momentum for Urban Meyer.

Forget for a moment that he basically got run out of Ohio State for knowingly covering up years of horrific domestic violence for a key assistant coach. Forget that he was coaching a bunch of really evil players at Florida and didn't care. Forget the myriad of sleezy recruiting tactics he's known for.

What makes him a good NFL coaching candidate? Nobody from college has had success at the NFL level since Jimmy (Pete Carroll was in the NFL for many years before his stint at USC). College isn't a good place to even look unless you pick a very specific type of football mind.

How would Urban Meyer even translate?

He's the prime definition of the RPO offense. It's all he's ever run. It requires the likes of JT Barrett and Tim Tebow to run it, and Dak hardly looks the part for such an offense. Even Alex Smith was pretty much a runner in college under Meyer.

This smells of Chip Kelly allure.

We saw Kelly bring an even more creative version of that offense to the NFL, and it fell SPLAT in the NFL. Despite accolades from everywhere, that was a crash-and-burn of epic proportions. To this day, analysts like Cris Collinsworth and Jon Gruden (at the time) are embarrassed about how they went gooey over Chip and the "new NFL offense of the future."

Did Urban ever run his QB under center? Did he have read routes for his receivers? Did he employ NFL-style play action? Did anything he ran look NFL worthy, or did he just out-recruit the pants off of everybody and run up gaudy numbers against far lesser players?

The same goes for Chris Peterson and that nonsense offense.

The ONLY college guy I would even consider is Lincoln Riley because he focuses on the run game first and utilizes his QB under center a ton. His is an NFL style offense with fresh passing ideas mixed in and a deep passing game.

For what it's worth, Riley toyed with Meyer in Columbus the last time they met.

But I don't think either of them are the right guy. Jerry needs to go NFL first, and big names at that. I start with Bill Belichick, Mike Zimmer, Sean Payton, Greg Roman, Robert Saleh, etc. Shoot for the moon in the dark of the night, then look for quality assistant coach candidates in the NFL after that.

Just don't fall for Chip Kelly, Steve Spurrier, Greg Schiano, Bobby Petrino Nick Saban, etc.

This is why I'd prefer someone like Ron Rivera, who has actually been to a Super Bowl.

Here's where the Super Bowl-winning coaches were before being hired by their teams:

LA's Sean McVay was an offensive coordinator for the Commanders and New England's Bill Belichick was a defensive coordinator for the Jets.

Doug Pederson was offensive coordinator for the Chiefs.

Dan Quinn was defensive coordinator for Seattle.

Ron Rivera was defensive coordinator for the Chargers and Gary Kubiak was offensive coordinator for the Ravens.

Pete Carroll was head coach at USC (but had been a defensive coach or head coach in the NFL from 1984-1999 before that) and John Fox had been a head coach for Carolina.

Jim Harbaugh was head coach at Stanford and John Harbaugh was special teams coordinator and defensive backs coach for the Eagles.

Tom Coughlin was head coach for the Jaguars.

Mike Tomlin was defensive coordinator for the Vikings and Mike McCarty was offensive coordinator for San Francisco.

Jim Caldwell was assistant head coach and quarterbacks coach for the Colts and Sean Payton was offensive coordinator for Dallas.

That takes us back to 2000, and since then, only two head coaches coming from college teams have led teams to Super bowls, and both had at least some pro coaching experience. (Harbaugh was the Raiders QB coach from 2002-2003).

If Meyer or Riley is hired, I'll hope that we strike gold like we did with Johnson, but we're likely to just end up with mud.

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