Keep it classy with the other furries, don't let things go sideways on you like a hangover movie. But it does, record it and make a movie.
Not simplified at all. If he were our receiver we would claim it should be a TD. If it were the other team’s receiver it would be spotted at the 1.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/ (2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
That is on me, I should have posted it, I am in the middle of final grades, research projects and fall commencements. A clear oversight.
You know me better than that. I did not do a kneejerk and blame the ref. I actually stated no excuses.
That is why I pointed out the mistake
nope, not the case, you are incorrect. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line.
Thanks for posting. I thought it was in the original thread. Should have been on the twenty. Could have made a difference. Garrett was let down from upstairs. They should have told him it was a touchback. That is the challenge Garrett should have presented, Garrett is animated with his arms, he should have signaled touch while presenting the challenge.
The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
@xwalker , Chime in buddy
Yes, Garret should have challenged it was catch with a touchback.
Don't use conjecture,Not simplified at all. If he were our receiver we would claim it should be a TD. If it were the other team’s receiver it would be spotted at the 1.
His foot was on the goal line when he establish the catch, I have seen this before and studied it in great detail.
Don't use conjecture,
His foot was on the goal line when he establish the catch, I have seen this before and studied it in great detail.
This should have been a touch back. I will get Byran or Dave to chime in. I wanted @xwalker to as well.
Don't use conjecture,
His foot was on the goal line when he establish the catch, I have seen this before and studied it in great detail.
This should have been a touch back. I will get Byran or Dave to chime in. I wanted @xwalker to as well.
and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possessionhttps://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/ (2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
That is on me, I should have posted it, I am in the middle of final grades, research projects and fall commencements. A clear oversight.
You know me better than that. I did not do a kneejerk and blame the ref. I actually stated no excuses.
That is why I pointed out the mistake
nope, not the case, you are incorrect. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line.
Thanks for posting. I thought it was in the original thread. Should have been on the twenty. Could have made a difference. Garrett was let down from upstairs. They should have told him it was a touchback. That is the challenge Garrett should have presented, Garrett is animated with his arms, he should have signaled touch while presenting the challenge.
The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
@xwalker , Chime in buddy
Yes, Garret should have challenged it was catch with a touchback.
wants to be right?
That's my point. People are pointing out the rule that states that it's a touchback if the player's foot touches the line, but they're ignoring the sentence before that.
He established possession when his second/left foot dragged outside the end zone. This isn't hard. the ball was never in the endzone which needs to happen for a TD or touchback.Don't use conjecture,
His foot was on the goal line when he establish the catch, I have seen this before and studied it in great detail.
This should have been a touch back. I will get Byran or Dave to chime in. I wanted @xwalker to as well.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2019-nfl-rulebook/ (2) If a defensive player, in the field of play, intercepts a pass or catches or recovers a fumble, backward pass, scrimmage kick, free kick, or fair catch kick, and his original momentum carries him into his end zone where the ball is declared dead in his team’s possession. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
That is on me, I should have posted it, I am in the middle of final grades, research projects and fall commencements. A clear oversight.
You know me better than that. I did not do a kneejerk and blame the ref. I actually stated no excuses.
That is why I pointed out the mistake
nope, not the case, you are incorrect. The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line.
Thanks for posting. I thought it was in the original thread. Should have been on the twenty. Could have made a difference. Garrett was let down from upstairs. They should have told him it was a touchback. That is the challenge Garrett should have presented, Garrett is animated with his arms, he should have signaled touch while presenting the challenge.
The ball belongs to the defensive team at the spot where the player’s foot or other body part touched the ground to establish possession. If that spot is in the end zone, the result of the play is a touchback, even if the ball is not on, above, or beyond the goal line. (11-6-1)
@xwalker , Chime in buddy
Yes, Garret should have challenged it was catch with a touchback.
LOL, show me where you have seen this before. I'll wait.
Dude, the definition of a touchback is in the section right after where you pulled this rule which is an exception to the Safety rules. I knew I should have done this myself, lol. The Safety rule is concerned with a defender coming down with a ball in his own end zone and not having a Safety called against him. Lewis was nowhere near that scenario. The touchback definition reads as follows (note my underlining):
RULE 11
SECTION 6 TOUCHBACK
Note: A touchback, while not a score, is included in this rule because, like scoring plays, it is a case of a ball that is dead on
or behind a goal line.
ARTICLE 1. DEFINITION. It is a Touchback if the ball is dead on or behind the goal line a team is defending, provided that the
impetus comes from an opponent, and that it is not a touchdown or an incomplete forward pass.
Note: A ball in the end zone which is carried toward the field of play is still in the end zone until the entire ball is in the field of
play (3-12-4).
So you see that a touchback is when the ball is dead on or behind the goal line. This says nothing about if a player's foot is on the line or not. It speaks of the ball only and where it goes dead. There are rules for when the "ball is dead" as well (Rule 7, Section 2 - Dead Ball) and among them is "when a runner is out of bounds." These 2 rules work together of course. So you'd just have to answer where Lewis went out of bounds to get your spot of the ball. If on or behind the goal line, see the Touchback rule. If not on or behind the goal line, see the Dead Ball rule. Again, note here how Lewis is to the outside of the pylon. Therefore, so is the ball even if it was in the end zone at any point. Your "sources" are not going to give you greater in-depth detail than this I can assure you.
LOL, show me where you have seen this before. I'll wait.
Dude, the definition of a touchback is in the section right after where you pulled this rule which is an exception to the Safety rules. I knew I should have done this myself, lol. The Safety rule is concerned with a defender coming down with a ball in his own end zone and not having a Safety called against him. Lewis was nowhere near that scenario. The touchback definition reads as follows (note my underlining):
RULE 11
SECTION 6 TOUCHBACK
Note: A touchback, while not a score, is included in this rule because, like scoring plays, it is a case of a ball that is dead on
or behind a goal line.
ARTICLE 1. DEFINITION. It is a Touchback if the ball is dead on or behind the goal line a team is defending, provided that the
impetus comes from an opponent, and that it is not a touchdown or an incomplete forward pass.
Note: A ball in the end zone which is carried toward the field of play is still in the end zone until the entire ball is in the field of
play (3-12-4).
So you see that a touchback is when the ball is dead on or behind the goal line. This says nothing about if a player's foot is on the line or not. It speaks of the ball only and where it goes dead. There are rules for when the "ball is dead" as well (Rule 7, Section 2 - Dead Ball) and among them is "when a runner is out of bounds." These 2 rules work together of course. So you'd just have to answer where Lewis went out of bounds to get your spot of the ball. If on or behind the goal line, see the Touchback rule. If not on or behind the goal line, see the Dead Ball rule. Again, note here how Lewis is to the outside of the pylon. Therefore, so is the ball even if it was in the end zone at any point. Your "sources" are not going to give you greater in-depth detail than this I can assure you.
Funny thing is it should've been common sense.
