What successful NFL owners do and don’t do

Bobhaze · Dec 8, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
Stockholm Syndrome

There’s some truth.

ArtClink · Dec 8, 2019

Kaiser said:
3 of the last 27 Super Bowl winners actually were Jerry Jones.

See how easy it is to cut the numbers off where we want?

So glad you are satisfied and happy fan with the pitiful results head coach jones has brought our team. Its not that much fun to play in the nfc championship game anyway. You strike me as the kind of fan that is more interested in the wonderful stajum artwork. Yes, lets bask in the great playoff futility of the past 24 years.

ArtClink · Dec 8, 2019

Bobhaze said:
So what have the NFL owners who have won the last 23 SBs done compared to Jerry? Here is a list of what they do and don’t do:

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO: (The ones winning the last 23 SBs)

1. Successful NFL owners hire a GM who then hires a HC. The HC is allowed to hire his own staff.
2. The GM is held accountable for results. Usually 4-5 years are considered enough time to prove they can win or at least compete for a championship by making at least a conf championship game.
3. A good GM is sometimes kept for more than one HC tenure, depending on their success or progress.
4. The owner stays out of football operations by letting the guy he hired as GM run that side of the business.
5. If the GM isn’t getting it done in 5 years, it’s usually time for a change and a new GM is hired.

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO NOT DO:

1. They NEVER run the football side of operations. Why? Just look at the last 23 winners of the SB. Not one owner was the GM. Zero.
2. They don’t allow ALL their kids to have jobs with no accountability. If you’re going to have your kids have jobs with the on-field results side of the business, if the team doesn’t win, changes must be made.
3. Successful NFL owners don’t hold post game press conferences because they have hired professional football people to do that and they realize by speaking to the media too much, they undermine their HC and players.
4. They never override a coach’s discipline of players. Owners can state what their values are but let the people they hire discipline the players.

This is certainly an incomplete list.
But it is crystal clear: IF YOU ARE AN NFL OWNER, AND WANT TO WIN A SUPER BOWL, THERE ARE SOME DO’S AND DON’TS TO FOLLOW OR YOUR TEAM WILL END UP WITH 24 YEARS WITH 3 PLAYOFF WINS.

Great post Hazey. This kind of rational, factual thread wont sit well w the Jerry apologists who think its "cherry picking" to single out a mere 24 yr slice of history. After all, Jerry is a hof owner and gm.

Playmaker3128 · Dec 8, 2019

Ask yourself this. Why is Jason Garret still the head coach? Why won’t jerry fire him?

Jerry is embarrassed he made a mistake. He also wants Garret to succeed to much that he’ll give him every opportunity until he’s forced out.

jason Garret basically does nothing on game day. Been stripped of all play calling duties. Yet is there so the owner can say “his guy won it all”

as for Moore. Jerry is mad he let Sean Peyton go and is hoping Moore becomes the next Sean Peyton. Defensively he has two different guys and styles trying to run the defense.

Coaching matters - remember how for years JJ ignored the online. Well it’s the same with coaching.

Bobhaze · Dec 8, 2019

ArtClink said:
Great post Hazey. This kind of rational, factual thread wont sit well w the Jerry apologists who think its "cherry picking" to single out a mere 24 yr slice of history. After all, Jerry is a hof owner and gm.

Jerry is living proof that money can buy almost everything- position, power, longevity, security, and even a spot in a HOF. But it can never buy respect or results on a scoreboard.

Bobhaze · Dec 8, 2019

Playmaker3128 said:
Ask yourself this. Why is Jason Garret still the head coach? Why won’t jerry fire him?

Jerry is embarrassed he made a mistake. He also wants Garret to succeed to much that he’ll give him every opportunity until he’s forced out.

jason Garret basically does nothing on game day. Been stripped of all play calling duties. Yet is there so the owner can say “his guy won it all”

as for Moore. Jerry is mad he let Sean Peyton go and is hoping Moore becomes the next Sean Peyton. Defensively he has two different guys and styles trying to run the defense.

Coaching matters - remember how for years JJ ignored the online. Well it’s the same with coaching.

Agreed. And I think Jerry refuses to fire Garrett because he knows it will be extremely difficult to find another HC that will just sit back and allow him to meddle in everything. Jimmy and Parcells intimidated Jerry. He would rather lose than win with guys that won’t let him play football big shot.

Kaiser · Dec 9, 2019

ArtClink said:
So glad you are satisfied and happy fan with the pitiful results head coach jones has brought our team. Its not that much fun to play in the nfc championship game anyway. You strike me as the kind of fan that is more interested in the wonderful stajum artwork. Yes, lets bask in the great playoff futility of the past 24 years.

"stadium".

I'm the kind of fan that doesn't like to read the same whiney thread posted every twenty minutes, with the same whiney fans chiming in to tell me what kind of fan I am.

Bob-Lillys-War · Dec 9, 2019

Jimmy Johnson was Coach / GM (sort of)

Bill Belichick is Coach / GM

xwalker · Dec 9, 2019

Bobhaze said:
So what have the NFL owners who have won the last 23 SBs done compared to Jerry? Here is a list of what they do and don’t do:

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO: (The ones winning the last 23 SBs)

1. Successful NFL owners hire a GM who then hires a HC. The HC is allowed to hire his own staff.
2. The GM is held accountable for results. Usually 4-5 years are considered enough time to prove they can win or at least compete for a championship by making at least a conf championship game.
3. A good GM is sometimes kept for more than one HC tenure, depending on their success or progress.
4. The owner stays out of football operations by letting the guy he hired as GM run that side of the business.
5. If the GM isn’t getting it done in 5 years, it’s usually time for a change and a new GM is hired.

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO NOT DO:

1. They NEVER run the football side of operations. Why? Just look at the last 23 winners of the SB. Not one owner was the GM. Zero.
2. They don’t allow ALL their kids to have jobs with no accountability. If you’re going to have your kids have jobs with the on-field results side of the business, if the team doesn’t win, changes must be made.
3. Successful NFL owners don’t hold post game press conferences because they have hired professional football people to do that and they realize by speaking to the media too much, they undermine their HC and players.
4. They never override a coach’s discipline of players. Owners can state what their values are but let the people they hire discipline the players.

This is certainly an incomplete list.
But it is crystal clear: IF YOU ARE AN NFL OWNER, AND WANT TO WIN A SUPER BOWL, THERE ARE SOME DO’S AND DON’TS TO FOLLOW OR YOUR TEAM WILL END UP WITH 24 YEARS WITH 3 PLAYOFF WINS.

Jerry has won 3 Super Bowls. How many for the Eagles owner?

Jerry has owned the team 30 years. There are 32 teams. That's 0.9375 wins per team if all teams won the same amount.

Since two team were not around all of those years, lets just say 30 teams over 30 years and each should have won 1 Super Bowl in that time.

Jerry would have on a break-even basis if he had won 1 Super Bowl. In reality he has won 3 Super Bowls.

I don't get the feeling that you researched anything in your post. You're just assuming that other owners don't have their kids involved in the teams..

Does Jerry have post game press conferences every week?

Does Jerry over-rule discipline of players by the Head Coach?

The only story that I know about in that regard is that Switzer hassled Deion about spending more time in the weight room and Jerry said let it go.

Number1 · Dec 9, 2019

Bobhaze said:
So what have the NFL owners who have won the last 23 SBs done compared to Jerry? Here is a list of what they do and don’t do:

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO: (The ones winning the last 23 SBs)

1. Successful NFL owners hire a GM who then hires a HC. The HC is allowed to hire his own staff.
2. The GM is held accountable for results. Usually 4-5 years are considered enough time to prove they can win or at least compete for a championship by making at least a conf championship game.
3. A good GM is sometimes kept for more than one HC tenure, depending on their success or progress.
4. The owner stays out of football operations by letting the guy he hired as GM run that side of the business.
5. If the GM isn’t getting it done in 5 years, it’s usually time for a change and a new GM is hired.

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO NOT DO:

1. They NEVER run the football side of operations. Why? Just look at the last 23 winners of the SB. Not one owner was the GM. Zero.
2. They don’t allow ALL their kids to have jobs with no accountability. If you’re going to have your kids have jobs with the on-field results side of the business, if the team doesn’t win, changes must be made.
3. Successful NFL owners don’t hold post game press conferences because they have hired professional football people to do that and they realize by speaking to the media too much, they undermine their HC and players.
4. They never override a coach’s discipline of players. Owners can state what their values are but let the people they hire discipline the players.

This is certainly an incomplete list.
But it is crystal clear: IF YOU ARE AN NFL OWNER, AND WANT TO WIN A SUPER BOWL, THERE ARE SOME DO’S AND DON’TS TO FOLLOW OR YOUR TEAM WILL END UP WITH 24 YEARS WITH 3 PLAYOFF WINS.

"Not one owner was the GM. Zero."
ever heard of Paul Brown? or his 7 titles?
you know the guy who built the modern NFL? ... never mind

"They never override a coach’s discipline of players."
LOL

the most busy body sports owner is history was Jerry Buss - he was also the most successful
this guy fired Paul Westhead (the year after winning a title) at the suggestion of 20 year old kid named Magic and gave a nobody 2nd year assistant name of Pat Riley the whistle - he didn't care if his players took extreme political stands or impregnated every porn star in LA - and more than once called into live radio shows to cuss out fools who thought they knew how he should run his team

but since we're talking Cowboy football - I'd point that right about 50 years ago a really cool owner, named Clint Murchison, ignored his GM, the press, and silly voices like yours (from the cheap seats) who wanted Landry gone after 9 years and 1 playoff win

Clint signed Tom to a long term deal ... the result - the most successful franchise in NFL history

"IF YOU ARE AN NFL OWNER, AND WANT TO WIN A SUPER BOWL, THERE ARE SOME DO’S AND DON’TS TO FOLLOW"

yep, and it begins with ignoring ding bats

Bobhaze · Dec 9, 2019

xwalker said:
Jerry has won 3 Super Bowls. How many for the Eagles owner?

Jerry has owned the team 30 years. There are 32 teams. That's 0.9375 wins per team if all teams won the same amount.

Since two team were not around all of those years, lets just say 30 teams over 30 years and each should have won 1 Super Bowl in that time.

Jerry would have on a break-even basis if he had won 1 Super Bowl. In reality he has won 3 Super Bowls.

I don't get the feeling that you researched anything in your post. You're just assuming that other owners don't have their kids involved in the teams..

Does Jerry have post game press conferences every week?

Does Jerry over-rule discipline of players by the Head Coach?

The only story that I know about in that regard is that Switzer hassled Deion about spending more time in the weight room and Jerry said let it go.

You obviously missed these incidents of Jerry overruling his head coach or staff regarding discipline:

1997 or 98- Scissor-gate- Randy Galloway reported that coaches wanted to handle Michael Irvin a way Jerry wouldn’t allow.
2015- Greg Hardy- after slapping a clipboard out of a coach’s hand on the sideline, Jerry said Hardy wouldn’t be disciplined- in fact called him a “leader”. This after Garrett said he would be looking at some kind of discipline for Hardy.
2017- This is literally caught on camera in the TV series, “All or Nothing”- after the Denver game which was an embarrassing loss, Zeke was about to be punished by RB coach Gary Brown (with Garrett’s approval) for loafing after an interception. Jerry (who was on speaker phone for the coach's mtg) says they didn’t need to punish Zeke because “he’s been through a lot.”

If you don’t think Jerry has intervened to stop discipline for his players, you either aren’t paying attention or have turned a blind eye to Jerry’s habits.
If you want to defend a Jerry Jones and his record by saying he’s won 3 Super Bowls....go right ahead.

Bobhaze · Dec 9, 2019

Kaiser said:
"stadium".

I'm the kind of fan that doesn't like to read the same whiney thread posted every twenty minutes, with the same whiney fans chiming in to tell me what kind of fan I am.

Come on Kaiser- you’re a great fan. We disagree sometimes but I appreciate you as a fan. Why can’t opinions just be opinions instead of “whining”? Cowboys fans have a lot of different opinions. But yours or any other’s loyalty should never be questioned.

charron · Dec 9, 2019

Stephen is about as close to a GM as we will get and that's fine if:

Like the OP said, the HC gets to hire and fire his staff.

The head coach decides who plays based on production not contract.

Stephen needs to move on from coaches or players who underperform or just want to be paid.

ArtClink · Dec 9, 2019

Kaiser said:
"stadium".

I'm the kind of fan that doesn't like to read the same whiney thread posted every twenty minutes, with the same whiney fans chiming in to tell me what kind of fan I am.

Then pick another thread to post in. You are not the Jerry police, so you dont have to to look for every thread that mentions that our GM has gone 24 seasons w/o a div playoff win. Look for threads about how great our gm is, if you can find one. Hazey, myself, and hundreds of other posters will be busy throwing the facts back in Jerrys face, since he insists on putting winning at the bottom of his priorities while giving longtime fans the finger.

Btw I know how to spell stadium, but thanks so much for the grammar lesson. And rest up, because next year will be the silver anniversary of Cowboys playoff irrelevance, 25th anniversary of us winning our last div playoff game. If you plan on performing rebuttals against factual threads like this one, you will be very busy defending Jerry against a growing mob of angry Cowboy fans.

Dont forget to buy new jerseys, tshirts, bumper stickers, and season tickets to fully support our "til death do us part" gm.

yimyammer · Dec 9, 2019

PAPPYDOG said:
Classy stuff here!!!

Triggered!

Hook'em#11 · Dec 9, 2019

Bobhaze said:
So what have the NFL owners who have won the last 23 SBs done compared to Jerry? Here is a list of what they do and don’t do:

WHAT SUCCESSFUL NFL OWNERS DO: (The ones winning the last 23 SBs)

1. Successful NFL owners hire a GM who then hires a HC. The HC is allowed to hire his own staff.

THIS Alone would make Dallas a serious contender and Dallas would've had more success the past 20 years.

sunalsorises · Dec 9, 2019

Whereas I agree with the post, Kraft and the Patriots are an interesting dynamic. I do think Kraft is a bit more hands on than the average owner. I do think he had heavy say in Garoppolo being traded. I suspect he had strong influence in a few other personnel decisions. Kraft is not as front and center as Jerry is with the media but he doesn't hide out in the background either. Somehow, though, Kraft realizes the importance of Belichick and that is something Jerry could not do with Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells.

visionary · Dec 9, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
Here we go again.

Fail on so many points, as the numbers are far more in favor of owners that have GM's. So of course they have the SB's wins in their favor.

So what happened before the 23 years, when an owner / GM hired a coach and allowed him to hire his own staff, that won 3 SB's? Not going to give him any credit?

Most owners do have family working for them. Just not publicized the way Jerry does it.
So what Jerry has his own shows, interviews. Others do also, but again, not always shown nationally. We see it as fans, as most do not pay attention or get to see all 31 other teams local media or here the talk shows.

I know what you are saying, but this is not a very good way to do it. IMO.

man, talk about blindness

Creeper · Dec 9, 2019

I can simplify this. Winning teams have people who are accountable for results. When those results are not satisfactory, the people responsible are fired and replaced. Jerry will never fire himself or his son so the results are not going to change. Its not about press conferences, running down to the field after games or even stumbling into the locker room after having had too much booze. Its about hiring the right men to run the team, coach the team, and play the game. Jerry is responsible for all of that and he sucks at it. But Jerry owns the team and he is never, ever going to fire himself. End of story.

CouchCoach · Dec 9, 2019

Most owners do what they need to do.

Since Booger got the Big Top, he does what he wants to do.

He doesn't run the team to win, he runs the team because he likes running the team. No one else runs a team as he does with all of the media hype, usually about nothing.

I think the mistake we all make is trying to compare the Dallas Cowboys to anything else when there is nothing else like it and there never has been. The old saying "build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door" doesn't apply here. It's not even a good mousetrap, it is mediocre and it continues to be marketed and promoted with smoke and mirrors.....successfully.

Either we accept things the way they are or we change. Because the situation is not going to change. This is the guy that runs your team, we are just like the Raiders fans. Once they realized Crazy Al was losing it, they gave up hope. They also knew that once he was gone, there was another Davis, with a really bad haircut, taking over and while they had hope, they really didn't know. So they have Mayock and Gruden now and the team has actually done better than most expected after some crazy moves.

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