Marinelli and ST Coach are the biggest issue with this team

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You guys can bash Garrett all you want, but Marinelli and the special teams coach are the single biggest problems this team has now as constructed.

While we are at it, Richard is probably next in line for blame, but it’s hard to tell for sure with the crazy organization structure.

Garrett is actually going to get scapegoated here this year because of his assistants. Like Alannis Morissette once said, “It’s a little bit ironic”....
I think you're right. It's impossible for us to know who's to blame for what, but by definition, the HC is responsible for all and he will pay the price for that. I think I know this much: JG will not return and at least most of the rest of the coaching staff will be out the door with him. I think pretty much all of us agree that Marinelli needs to go, and I fail to see what anybody sees in Richard. He's at least as much responsible as Marinelli for this fiasco of a defense this year. O'Quinn should have been gone a long time ago. What I'm unsure of is whether JJ will want to keep a few of the younger coaches (Moore, Kitna, and Columbo) around in the future and force the next HC to take them on. Personally, I would prefer the next HC to be able to select his entire staff...I don't want the next HC to have any excuses for underperformance within the coaching ranks. On top of that, any HC worth his salt would demand to pick his entire staff. If we get a HC in here that bends to JJ's demands of who he takes on as assistants, he won't be worth a flip anyways...JMO.
 

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I think you're right. It's impossible for us to know who's to blame for what, but by definition, the HC is responsible for all and he will pay the price for that. I think I know this much: JG will not return and at least most of the rest of the coaching staff will be out the door with him. I think pretty much all of us agree that Marinelli needs to go, and I fail to see what anybody sees in Richard. He's at least as much responsible as Marinelli for this fiasco of a defense this year. O'Quinn should have been gone a long time ago. What I'm unsure of is whether JJ will want to keep a few of the younger coaches (Moore, Kitna, and Columbo) around in the future and force the next HC to take them on. Personally, I would prefer the next HC to be able to select his entire staff...I don't want the next HC to have any excuses for underperformance within the coaching ranks. On top of that, any HC worth his salt would demand to pick his entire staff. If we get a HC in here that bends to JJ's demands of who he takes on as assistants, he won't be worth a flip anyways...JMO.

That will be the tough part. If the new head coach does keep any of the current staff around, did they do it because they wanted to, or because the Joneses wanted them to?
 

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Was watching some NE versus KC. They happened to show a clip of a play the Bills run and how NE was prepared and communicated and passed off responsibilities. Looked like a professional football team. Then they showed the same play against us. Looked like a U10 soccer team out there. Not a single person with any clue what they are doing.
 

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Seriously? The marinelli approach of "get up the field" leaves massive running lanes and wide gaps for mobile QB's to step up in the pocket. We have zero to none disguised blitzes, mostly ramming Jaylon into the guard when we do. This defensive scheme couldnt be any worse or they vastly missed on the players to play the scheme.


You tell me. We got the #1 offense in football (although most of that is smoke and mirrors) yet we are 6-7 with a top 10 D, i'll bet that hasn't happenned in the history of the NFL
 

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No, Jason Garrett is.

He is responsible for the assistants and what they do. If he's not - since he doesn't call plays on either side of the ball - he's not doing anything at all.

I can't fathom how people defend him at all. He sucks. He's the worst coach in professional sports.
 

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Richard is as much a problem as Marinelli. Marinelli isn't the one calling the pass defense and he's not the one responsible for the lack of interceptions, etc.

I think some are still clinging to this belief Richard is good and maybe he might make a good HC candidate.

Richard needs to go with the rest of them.
 

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That will be the tough part. If the new head coach does keep any of the current staff around, did they do it because they wanted to, or because the Joneses wanted them to?
I get what you're saying, but none of the youngster coaches have been around long enough to make enough of a name for themselves for anybody to think that "he's my man...I want to keep him", IMO. But in the end, you're right. There is a possibility that the next guy coming in might want to retain one or two of them. We would likely have no way of knowing, with any certainty.
 

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Is it Marinelli or Richard? I haven;t seen the improvement in the secondary and honestly, Richard's defensive play calling has hurt them at times. This is the problem with having two guys in charge. No one is accountable. But at the end of the day, Garrett is the head coach and if the defense is not playing up to standards then its Garrett's job to get in the faces of the defensive coaches and make them fix it. The same is true with special teams. Tolerating mediocrity is the same as creating mediocrity.
You just described "accountability"...of which there seems to be none of in this organization. The guy that is ultimately accountable just so happens to also own the team. That said, I doubt that JJ is demanding that JG not hold assistants to some degree of accountability, so at his level (JG's), he has screwed the pooch.
 

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I get what you're saying, but none of the youngster coaches have been around long enough to make enough of a name for themselves for anybody to think that "he's my man...I want to keep him", IMO. But in the end, you're right. There is a possibility that the next guy coming in might want to retain one or two of them. We would likely have no way of knowing, with any certainty.

Yep.

At face value, I can see a case being made for Moore and Kitna. The offense is still up there among the league best in yards, and Dak is leading the league in passing yards. That's notable improvement, all other numbers notwithstanding. I would consider keeping those two myself, especially if I felt - as that new head coach - that I could help them with the running game and better situational football. There might be something to build on there.
 

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Yep.

At face value, I can see a case being made for Moore and Kitna. The offense is still up there among the league best in yards, and Dak is leading the league in passing yards. That's notable improvement, all other numbers notwithstanding. I would consider keeping those two myself, especially if I felt - as that new head coach - that I could help them with the running game and better situational football. There might be something to build on there.
I think you and I are on the same page in that regard.
 

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Richard is as much a problem as Marinelli. Marinelli isn't the one calling the pass defense and he's not the one responsible for the lack of interceptions, etc.

I think some are still clinging to this belief Richard is good and maybe he might make a good HC candidate.

Richard needs to go with the rest of them.

I'm not campaigning to keep him, but I think the entire dynamic between Marinelli and Richard has screwed this defense up. Richard may be 'calling plays' but they're still from Marinelli's playbook. And that playbook says 'I don't like to blitz', so it's hard to call plays that aren't there. It's clear to me, you, Troy Aikman, and everyone else watching this defense that there is no creativity or surprise and even the worst quarterbacks know what they're doing and what to expect. Just like the Rams did last year, and will when they trounce us in this upcoming game.
 

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You guys can bash Garrett all you want, but Marinelli and the special teams coach are the single biggest problems this team has now as constructed.

While we are at it, Richard is probably next in line for blame, but it’s hard to tell for sure with the crazy organization structure.

Garrett is actually going to get scapegoated here this year because of his assistants. Like Alannis Morissette once said, “It’s a little bit ironic”....
Today I learned that there are still people in here that think Carrot is a good coach.
 

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Garrett does very little actual coaching. It’s mostly delegated. I’m not saying that’s the way it should be, I’m just stating the obvious.
For a very good reason..............his mere presence brings this team down........players and coaches.
 

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You guys can bash Garrett all you want, but Marinelli and the special teams coach are the single biggest problems this team has now as constructed.

While we are at it, Richard is probably next in line for blame, but it’s hard to tell for sure with the crazy organization structure.

Garrett is actually going to get scapegoated here this year because of his assistants. Like Alannis Morissette once said, “It’s a little bit ironic”....


No question, also Garrett’s lack of situational football and clock management stick out even more when you have major flaws on defense and special teams. It’s been a perfect storm of horrendous coaching in all phases.
 

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Biggest issue with the Cowboys in general is Jerry-

We need a head coach who:
1. Has the ability to hire and fire his own staff.
2. Uses that ability to correct coaches that are not getting the job done.
3. Someone that Jerry has no qualms firing if he also isn't getting the job done.
 

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I'm not campaigning to keep him, but I think the entire dynamic between Marinelli and Richard has screwed this defense up. Richard may be 'calling plays' but they're still from Marinelli's playbook. And that playbook says 'I don't like to blitz', so it's hard to call plays that aren't there. It's clear to me, you, Troy Aikman, and everyone else watching this defense that there is no creativity or surprise and even the worst quarterbacks know what they're doing and what to expect. Just like the Rams did last year, and will when they trounce us in this upcoming game.

I think there might be a disconnect between what the DL is doing and what Richard is doing on the back end, but IMO it's suspect to blame Marinelli for the secondary's issues. Further, Richard didn't blitz much when he was calling plays in Seattle.

He's very overrated by people here.
 

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Biggest issue with the Cowboys in general is Jerry-

We need a head coach who:
1. Has the ability to hire and fire his own staff.
2. Uses that ability to correct coaches that are not getting the job done.
3. Someone that Jerry has no qualms firing if he also isn't getting the job done.
I think JJ is loathe to fire any coach because that is akin to admitting that he made a mistake in hiring them in the first place...
 
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No, Jason Garrett is.

He is responsible for the assistants and what they do. If he's not - since he doesn't call plays on either side of the ball - he's not doing anything at all.

I can't fathom how people defend him at all. He sucks. He's the worst coach in professional sports.

Notice all the good coaches that have ran under him? Callahan, Eberflus, Bissachia, etc. I find it funny.
 
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You guys can bash Garrett all you want, but Marinelli and the special teams coach are the single biggest problems this team has now as constructed.

While we are at it, Richard is probably next in line for blame, but it’s hard to tell for sure with the crazy organization structure.

Garrett is actually going to get scapegoated here this year because of his assistants. Like Alannis Morissette once said, “It’s a little bit ironic”....
Garrett, then Marinelli/Richard, then ST coach, then Dak, then Kicker, then Defense
 
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