The case for Urban Meyer, a case for the fans

CouchCoach · Dec 9, 2019

First off, he's my least favorite among the names thrown around as a person. He's done some really questionable things and escaped in the nick of time. I don't like him as a person.

I do not see Belichick or Tomlin coming to work for this owner and this owner is the tricky part of all of this because that is the trick to this job because ain't nobody happy if the owner's not happy.

So, let's look at the other candidate mentioned most along with Meyer's entry into this, Lincoln Riley. What has he accomplished? He got two QB's a Heisman and the first pick in the draft. His only HC experience is in the Big 12 and he's not built a defense because he doesn't have to in that conference, they're the run and shoot conference. He is a very good OC but he's won nothing but the Big 12.

What's the sell on Riley? He has a relationship with the owner and could probably make him comfortable. What other HC can we say that about? How about the one we all want gone? Would the owner not see him as more of a NFL HC in training just as he had with Garrett? Think he's going to carry any weight to get the owner not to give into his inclinations? Does anything change with Riley?

What about Urban Meyer, what has he accomplished? He's made every team he's had a part in better. He's coached, successfully, in the SEC and BIG 10, the two conferences that play close to NFL ball and send the most players to the NFL. He has credibility.

So, think about the owner, which one of these guys is he going to listen to and not discount their thinking? Which one will be the best to evaluate and oversee coaches? Which one will be the best equipped to be the influencer and not the influenced?

This job calls for some skills not usually associated with HC's and I think Meyer is better equipped to handle that than Riley.

The other thing this does is send the message to us, the fans. If he hires a HC based on the relationship, we haven't changed much. Which man has the resume, not the relationship, to bring about change? The answer to that is a simple one. If he hires Meyer, he's willing to be a little less comfortable to win. If it's Riley, it's all about comfort. And, as fans, we will be less comfortable.

Chocolate Lab · Dec 9, 2019

CouchCoach said:
What's the sell on Riley? He has a relationship with the owner and could probably make him comfortable. What other HC can we say that about? How about the one we all want gone?

That's not the sell on Riley. The sell is that he might be the best offensive play designer in America at any level. Several observers have said this, not me. And we've seen more and more Air Raid-type concepts work their way into the NFL the last few years.

As far as not being a complete enough HC, I might get that criticism. But it's not that he'd just be another puppet like Garrett.

MysteryIceGuro · Dec 9, 2019

Who cares about who he is as a character? The NFL doesn't hire based off of character, they hire based off of talent. As long as his issues don't spill onto the field, I could care less.

Since you are not so high on Meyer or Riley, who do you suggest we bring in...?

CouchCoach · Dec 9, 2019

Chocolate Lab said:
That's not the sell on Riley. The sell is that he might be the best offensive play designer in America at any level. Several observers have said this, not me. And we've seen more and more Air Raid-type concepts work their way into the NFL the last few years.

As far as not being a complete enough HC, I might get that criticism. But it's not that he'd just be another puppet like Garrett.

Are you sure? They already have a relationship, that's why the connection has been discussed.

CouchCoach · Dec 9, 2019

AmariChill said:
Who cares about who he is as a character? The NFL doesn't hire based off of character, they hire based off of talent. As long as his issues don't spill onto the field, I could care less.

Since you are not so high on Meyer or Riley, who do you suggest we bring in...?

So, you read that I don't want Meyer because I don't like him? I didn't like Jimmy Johnson but I knew he was a great coach in college.

To answer your question, I am suggesting Meyer and I thought I was pretty clear on that.

Chocolate Lab · Dec 9, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Are you sure? They already have a relationship, that's why the connection has been discussed.

Yes, I'm sure. Riley has had at least some interest from other teams. And that interest comes from what he's put on the field.

That "relationship" with Jerry was some recruiting interest in Jerry's grandson. That's not much of a relationship.

It's not like Riley's daddy worked for Jerry ages ago and Riley carried Troy's clipboard during the Glory Days.

BoysForLife · Dec 9, 2019

How about this case for Urban Meyer:

He's coached his team to a win in as many postseason games at AT&T Stadium since 2010 as Jason Garrett has (2 each).
Just think what Meyer could do if he was actually coaching the Cowboys. :muttley:

Future · Dec 9, 2019

Chocolate Lab said:
That's not the sell on Riley. The sell is that he might be the best offensive play designer in America at any level. Several observers have said this, not me. And we've seen more and more Air Raid-type concepts work their way into the NFL the last few years.

As far as not being a complete enough HC, I might get that criticism. But it's not that he'd just be another puppet like Garrett.

This.

The relationship with Jerry matters to some degree, but the offensive prowess is why he's a NFL candidate.

erod · Dec 9, 2019

I would be completely fine with either Lincoln Riley or Matt Rhule.

In fact, I'd rather have Rhule because I want Riley to stay at OU.

Diehardblues · Dec 9, 2019

Jerry’s only hired the right HC once since Jimmy left. And was only hired cause Jerry needed a new stadium.

But Jerry still inserted himself meddling which ultimately ended the tenure before he could finish the job and since Jerry has retreated into his poor practices.

The only HC’s who’d be interested in coming under Jerry’s toxic atmosphere are those who aren’t being pursued elsewhere.

jazzcat22 · Dec 9, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Are you sure? They already have a relationship, that's why the connection has been discussed.

What is the relationship between Jerry and Riley? I haven't really heard too much about this. Other than see fans bring his name up. And do they bring his name up because they are fans of OU, therefore Riley also?

But I agree, if Riley, will it be more because of the comfort level. Which I for one am not a Riley fan for HC. I probably won't complain, as that means Garrett is gone. However, will Riley be stuck with current staff. I won't jump for joy it is Riley, just my gut feeling it will be more Garrett type stuff.

Now Meyer, yes he can handle Jerry more like Parcels did, and he may and probably will require / demand to hire most of his own staff. He has more sudccess across multiple NCAA platforms as well. As yes, being an OSU fan I am biased as OU fans are the same.

Diehardblues · Dec 9, 2019

erod said:
I would be completely fine with either Lincoln Riley or Matt Rhule.

In fact, I'd rather have Rhule because I want Riley to stay at OU.

Rhule was just extended this year thru 2027.

Remember he turned down offers or interviews from Jets last year.

Diehardblues · Dec 9, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
What is the relationship between Jerry and Riley? I haven't really heard too much about this. Other than see fans bring his name up. And do they bring his name up because they are fans of OU, therefore Riley also?

But I agree, if Riley, will it be more because of the comfort level. Which I for one am not a Riley fan for HC. I probably won't complain, as that means Garrett is gone. However, will Riley be stuck with current staff. I won't jump for joy it is Riley, just my gut feeling it will be more Garrett type stuff.

Now Meyer, yes he can handle Jerry more like Parcels did, and he may and probably will require / demand to hire most of his own staff. He has more sudccess across multiple NCAA platforms as well. As yes, being an OSU fan I am biased as OU fans are the same.

Yea, I think the relationship is fairly limited. Much like Jerry’s relationship with Payton was over played. And how rumors get started.

jazzcat22 · Dec 9, 2019

CouchCoach said:
So, you read that I don't want Meyer because I don't like him? I didn't like Jimmy Johnson but I knew he was a great coach in college.

To answer your question, I am suggesting Meyer and I thought I was pretty clear on that.

When Jerry hired Jimmy. I worked with a guy that HATED Jimmy. But he told me, "congrats you just got a great coach, he will turn that team around. I am happy for several reasons, for you getting a good coach, and he is gone from Miami"

He hated Jimmy because he was a huge Notre Dame fan, and that was when UM and ND played each other every year, and Jimmy got the best of them.
So he didn't like him, but could admit he was a good coach and right for the job.

Diehardblues · Dec 9, 2019

Fans are so desperate to grasp on to these Big Names. Lol

But it’s unlikely Jerry goes in a direction most would support.

CouchCoach · Dec 9, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
What is the relationship between Jerry and Riley? I haven't really heard too much about this. Other than see fans bring his name up. And do they bring his name up because they are fans of OU, therefore Riley also?

But I agree, if Riley, will it be more because of the comfort level. Which I for one am not a Riley fan for HC. I probably won't complain, as that means Garrett is gone. However, will Riley be stuck with current staff. I won't jump for joy it is Riley, just my gut feeling it will be more Garrett type stuff.

Now Meyer, yes he can handle Jerry more like Parcels did, and he may and probably will require / demand to hire most of his own staff. He has more sudccess across multiple NCAA platforms as well. As yes, being an OSU fan I am biased as OU fans are the same.

I think it has to do with what the man has done and what has Riley done? He's a one trick pony and with an auto recruit program built in, he hasn't built anything. At least Meyer had to build or rebuild on both sides of the ball. OU is all offense, FL and OSU were balanced.

Evidently, they talk quite often and Booger likes him. That's the last thing this team needs, hell, he loves Garrett. The Cowboys need someone Booger will respect. Someone that will influence him.

jazzcat22 · Dec 9, 2019

erod said:
I would be completely fine with either Lincoln Riley or Matt Rhule.

In fact, I'd rather have Rhule because I want Riley to stay at OU.

Both have long term contracts, the buyout will be way too much. Unless there is a clause in it for going to the NFL.
However I am sure it will cost something.
But hopefully they both stay where they are. I really do not prefer either.

I would except it though, as it means no more Garrett. But we will know that fate long before a new HC is announced.

CouchCoach · Dec 9, 2019

erod said:
I would be completely fine with either Lincoln Riley or Matt Rhule.

In fact, I'd rather have Rhule because I want Riley to stay at OU.

Rhule doesn't have enough push to affect Booger. And can you imagine him listening to Riley about anything involving the defense, that's the problem.

Stash · Dec 9, 2019

CouchCoach said:
First off, he's my least favorite among the names thrown around as a person. He's done some really questionable things and escaped in the nick of time. I don't like him as a person.

I do not see Belichick or Tomlin coming to work for this owner and this owner is the tricky part of all of this because that is the trick to this job because ain't nobody happy if the owner's not happy.

So, let's look at the other candidate mentioned most along with Meyer's entry into this, Lincoln Riley. What has he accomplished? He got two QB's a Heisman and the first pick in the draft. His only HC experience is in the Big 12 and he's not built a defense because he doesn't have to in that conference, they're the run and shoot conference. He is a very good OC but he's won nothing but the Big 12.

What's the sell on Riley? He has a relationship with the owner and could probably make him comfortable. What other HC can we say that about? How about the one we all want gone? Would the owner not see him as more of a NFL HC in training just as he had with Garrett? Think he's going to carry any weight to get the owner not to give into his inclinations? Does anything change with Riley?

What about Urban Meyer, what has he accomplished? He's made every team he's had a part in better. He's coached, successfully, in the SEC and BIG 10, the two conferences that play close to NFL ball and send the most players to the NFL. He has credibility.

So, think about the owner, which one of these guys is he going to listen to and not discount their thinking? Which one will be the best to evaluate and oversee coaches? Which one will be the best equipped to be the influencer and not the influenced?

This job calls for some skills not usually associated with HC's and I think Meyer is better equipped to handle that than Riley.

The other thing this does is send the message to us, the fans. If he hires a HC based on the relationship, we haven't changed much. Which man has the resume, not the relationship, to bring about change? The answer to that is a simple one. If he hires Meyer, he's willing to be a little less comfortable to win. If it's Riley, it's all about comfort. And, as fans, we will be less comfortable.

Great points and well stated.

Riley is a nice 'quarterback whisperer' and creative offensive mind. Urban Meyer is a complete head football coach.

Stash · Dec 9, 2019

Diehardblues said:
Fans are so desperate to grasp on to these Big Names. Lol

But it’s unlikely Jerry goes in a direction most would support.

What are you going to do when he does?

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