Twitter: Cowboys Working Out More Kickers Today

Kaiser · Dec 9, 2019

IAmLegend said:
Anybody think Maher’s actually going to be replaced this year?

csirl · Dec 10, 2019

conner01 said:
Kickers are hard to figure out
If you can hit from 60 why is 35 so hard?
I think it’s all mental with them but we need to address a real solution in the off season because Forbath is not a long term answer
I’m also ready to look at punters

Coached kickers a long time ago.

There are two extremes:

1. The kicker who strikes the ball well, gets good height & distance, but struggles with accuracy. This kicker will miss from any distance, but will hit a lot of long range kicks.

2. The kicker who is insanely accurate, but struggles with height/distance. Will be 100% on the short kicks where being a little off on striking the ball isnt as crucial. Will rarely get long range kicks as they struggle with getting the perfect strike of the ball necessary for all long rangers.

Bullflop · Dec 10, 2019

Well, lately, the Dallas staff has deemed it wise to give Kai Forbath the task of turning this team's kicking woes around to something more bearable. Let's see if that move turns out to be the elixir that resolves our kicking plight. At this juncture, maybe there's not much to lose . . . or is there?

JoeKing · Dec 10, 2019

I think the coaching staff made yet another poor decision by replacing Maher with Forbath. Time will tell.

nobody · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
I think the coaching staff made yet another poor decision by replacing Maher with Forbath. Time will tell.

Maher signed his own termination papers with his misses and attitude. He had to go. Even if Forbath is a downgrade, Maher had to go.

America's Cowboy · Dec 10, 2019

IAmLegend said:
Anybody think Maher’s actually going to be replaced this year?

Cause I don’t.

Looks like someone was wrong?

JoeKing · Dec 10, 2019

DeathMonkey said:
Maher signed his own termination papers with his misses and attitude. He had to go. Even if Forbath is a downgrade, Maher had to go.

disagree

Reverend Conehead · Dec 10, 2019

csirl said:
Coached kickers a long time ago.

There are two extremes:

1. The kicker who strikes the ball well, gets good height & distance, but struggles with accuracy. This kicker will miss from any distance, but will hit a lot of long range kicks.

2. The kicker who is insanely accurate, but struggles with height/distance. Will be 100% on the short kicks where being a little off on striking the ball isnt as crucial. Will rarely get long range kicks as they struggle with getting the perfect strike of the ball necessary for all long rangers.

Exactly the reason why I've seen teams carry two kickers. Of course, that occupies two roster spots, which is a big down side. Remember Brad Daluiso? He was the epitome of #1.

OmerV · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
I think the coaching staff made yet another poor decision by replacing Maher with Forbath. Time will tell.

Obviously I can't know Forbath will do, but he is 86% over his career, and Maher is 67% this year, so I don't see how it can be regarded as a poor decision. Seems like a reasonable move to me.

JoeKing · Dec 10, 2019

OmerV said:
Obviously I can't know Forbath will do, but he is 86% over his career, and Maher is 67% this year, so I don't see how it can be regarded as a poor decision. Seems like a reasonable move to me.

You are the kind of person that will make excuses like, "Maher would have missed it too" when Forbath misses FGs in the future. We'll need a 60+ long FG to win and Forbath won't have the leg for it. You'll be wishing then we still had Maher. Mark my words.

lostar2009 · Dec 10, 2019

csirl said:
Coached kickers a long time ago.

There are two extremes:

1. The kicker who strikes the ball well, gets good height & distance, but struggles with accuracy. This kicker will miss from any distance, but will hit a lot of long range kicks.

2. The kicker who is insanely accurate, but struggles with height/distance. Will be 100% on the short kicks where being a little off on striking the ball isnt as crucial. Will rarely get long range kicks as they struggle with getting the perfect strike of the ball necessary for all long rangers.

Maher was #1. Go figure, I guess the ST coach didn't pick up on this.

OmerV · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
You are the kind of person that will make excuses like, "Maher would have missed it too" when Forbath misses FGs in the future. We'll need a 60+ long FG to win and Forbath won't have the leg for it. You'll be wishing then we still had Maher. Mark my words.

That comment makes zero sense, and isn't even truthful. I wouldn't presume to know what either would have done at the exact moment if they had been in the others shoes.

I gave statistics, which are unemotional, and unable to make excuses. I'm giving you data and you are pretending it is a personal issue.

Sure we might miss out on an opportunity to win a game with a 60+ yard FG without Maher, but we just as easily might not even be in that position if Forbath makes the 30-50 yarders more consistently than Maher. Way more FG attempts fall within that range than in the 60+ yard range, and way more games come down to game winging FGs in that range than in the 60+ yard range.

And let's also remember some of the binds we got into this year by going for ultra long FGs that we missed and ended up giving the opponent great field position.

JoeKing · Dec 10, 2019

OmerV said:
That comment makes zero sense, and isn't even truthful. I wouldn't presume to know what either would have done at the exact moment if they had been in the others shoes.

I gave statistics, which are unemotional, and unable to make excuses. I'm giving you data and you are pretending it is a personal issue.

Sure we might miss out on an opportunity to win a game with a 60+ yard FG without Maher, but we just as easily might not even be in that position if Forbath makes the 30-50 yarders more consistently than Maher. Way more FG attempts fall within that range than in the 60+ yard range, and way more games come down to game winging FGs in that range than in the 60+ yard range.

And let's also remember some of the binds we got into this year by going for ultra long FGs that we missed and ended up giving the opponent great field position.

Blaming the kicker for our problems is just dumb. How many games have we lost by 3 points or less? 2 is what I count, granted, I would much rather me 8-5 right now. Replacing Maher was a move made by the FO to look like they were doing something without really doing anything. It's a Band-Aid on a gapping wound.

OmerV · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
Blaming the kicker for our problems is just dumb. How many games have we lost by 3 points or less? 2 is what I count, granted, I would much rather me 8-5 right now. Replacing Maher was a move made by the FO to look like they were doing something without really doing anything. It's a Band-Aid on a gapping wound.

This also is a nonsense statement. I didn't blame the kicker for ALL the Cowboys problems. The Cowboys aren't either. Replacing a player doesn't equate to saying he is the sole problem, just that he is a problem.

I'm confused at how you can't see that a 67% kicker is a legitimate problem. Of the kickers that have been their team's starter all season he is has the lowest % made. And this is a low year for kickers, and he's still at the bottom. Why in the world would you be surprised that a kicker would lose his job with that being the case? He's not the only kicker to be replaced this year.

JoeKing · Dec 10, 2019

OmerV said:
This also is a nonsense statement. I didn't blame the kicker for ALL the Cowboys problems. The Cowboys aren't either. Replacing a player doesn't equate to saying he is the sole problem, just that he is a problem.

I'm confused at how you can't see that a 67% kicker is a legitimate problem. Of the kickers that have been their team's starter all season he is has the lowest % made. And this is a low year for kickers, and he's still at the bottom. Why in the world would you be surprised that a kicker would lose his job with that being the case? He's not the only kicker to be replaced this year.

You are just making excuses for the FO. Nixing Maher and adding Forbath is a nonsense move. It will end up costing us another game.

gimmesix · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
I think the coaching staff made yet another poor decision by replacing Maher with Forbath. Time will tell.

You don't like replacing Maher or you don't like replacing him with Forbath?

I think the pickings are slim, but we had to try something. As I've posted elsewhere, Forbath's numbers are better. He's had two great years, a few average ones and really only one bad one (under 80 percent). I'd prefer a kicker who at least stays in the upper-80s, and Forbath's about half and half. I'm not counting his 50 percent year because he only attempted two kicks.

Maher is kicking in the 60s this year. Forbath has only done that once in eight years (throwing out his two-kick year and this year, where he was 1-1 for New England). He does miss some extra points.

gimmesix · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
You are the kind of person that will make excuses like, "Maher would have missed it too" when Forbath misses FGs in the future. We'll need a 60+ long FG to win and Forbath won't have the leg for it. You'll be wishing then we still had Maher. Mark my words.

So because we might need a 60+ field goal, you want to keep the 60+ percent kicker?

ksadler1 · Dec 10, 2019

JoeKing said:
You are the kind of person that will make excuses like, "Maher would have missed it too" when Forbath misses FGs in the future. We'll need a 60+ long FG to win and Forbath won't have the leg for it. You'll be wishing then we still had Maher. Mark my words.

There's 3 games left. I would have been fine keeping Maher til the end, but l could really care less at this point. Our problem runs deeper than a kicker. This team isn't winning anything anyway.

Where I'm going to be pissed is if there's no kicking competition before next season. There was absolutely no excuse for just handing Maher the job this year...

JoeKing · Dec 11, 2019

gimmesix said:
You don't like replacing Maher or you don't like replacing him with Forbath?

I think the pickings are slim, but we had to try something. As I've posted elsewhere, Forbath's numbers are better. He's had two great years, a few average ones and really only one bad one (under 80 percent). I'd prefer a kicker who at least stays in the upper-80s, and Forbath's about half and half. I'm not counting his 50 percent year because he only attempted two kicks.

Maher is kicking in the 60s this year. Forbath has only done that once in eight years (throwing out his two-kick year and this year, where he was 1-1 for New England). He does miss some extra points.

We'll see.

JoeKing · Dec 11, 2019

gimmesix said:
So because we might need a 60+ field goal, you want to keep the 60+ percent kicker?

Yes, with only 3 of 16 games left in the regular season, I would stay the course with Maher. If a change was going to be made at that position, it should have been made much earlier in the season.

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