The home crowd for Sunday's game vs the Rams

erod said:

There's no option on the PSL. You either pay it all up front, or finance it for up to 30 years like a mortgage. It's a contract.

It's not really about selling the rights to the seats. More and more people are just selling their tickets to each game on line to make money off of them. There's a lot of discontent with how stubborn and petulant Jerry is. The man just won't change his ways. The franchise is beyond state.

I've thought about selling my club seats (I have two sets in different sections).

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Yea that PSL is like the Devil. It’s evil. I can’t imagine not being able to walk away from season tickets.

Regardless of the teams uniforms, the fans' money is all green.

I tend to believe we have better, louder and more enthusiastic fan base nationally and outside of AT&T than we do inside that stadium.

I get such the sense of entitlement and meh in our crowd there.
And makes no sense for the most popular team in sports history and current, to have to rely on their own
players and at times even the coaches, to have to try to rally up the home crowd for noise advantage.

Diehardblues said:

Yea that PSL is like the Devil. It’s evil. I can’t imagine not being able to walk away from season tickets.

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I've heard talk of a collective lawsuit among club ticket holders for business malpractice, kind of like a securities class action suit from investors.

It wouldn't go anywhere, of course, but it sure would get coverage by the local and national media. Get attorneys in front of cameras claiming Jerry is sabotaging the franchise through incompetence, and thus impacting the value of PSL ownership in a way that tortiously voids the contract terms.

Zordon said:

Opposing fans at at&t stadium = "new money" in Jerry's view. Do you honestly believe the psychopath gives one **** about that.

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It's a bit more complicated than that, but no, he doesn't care what we think at all.

Dallas/Fort Worth doesn't have that many Cowboys fans anymore. I'd say it's about 50% of the area at best, and shrinking. This is a transient city with a lot of headquartered industry. People from all over the country live here, and they bring their rooting interests and general attitudes with them.

So there is a pretty big fan base for many teams here. Tons of Packers, Giants, Bears, Steelers, 49ers, Eagles, Saints......fans. There's also a pretty large contingent of former Cowboys fans that don't watch football anymore, or they've become Texans fans.

The Cowboys have reached a point where there are significantly more people that follow them out of hating them instead of rooting for them. And now there's this rot growing from within, even with life-long fans like me, that are becoming increasingly apathetic towards the franchise.

Jerry has spread a malignancy through every facet of the franchise. He's that creepy uncle that ruins all the family reunions.

erod said:

It's a bit more complicated than that, but no, he doesn't care what we think at all.

Dallas/Fort Worth doesn't have that many Cowboys fans anymore. I'd say it's about 50% of the area at best, and shrinking. This is a transient city with a lot of headquartered industry. People from all over the country live here, and they bring their rooting interests and general attitudes with them.

So there is a pretty big fan base for many teams here. Tons of Packers, Giants, Bears, Steelers, 49ers, Eagles, Saints......fans. There's also a pretty large contingent of former Cowboys fans that don't watch football anymore, or they've become Texans fans.

The Cowboys have reached a point where there are significantly more people that follow them out of hating them instead of rooting for them. And now there's this rot growing from within, even with life-long fans like me, that are becoming increasingly apathetic towards the franchise.

Jerry has spread a malignancy through every facet of the franchise. He's that creepy uncle that ruins all the family reunions.

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Yet another way transplants have ruined this city. I posted those videos in the other thread to show people the love affair the city used to have with this franchise. Stephen should worry about the fanbase being left for him.

AmariChill said:

There will be plenty of casual, country club Dallas fans out there. Those are the fans that could care less about winning. They are just going to see the game for the experience.

Rams taking over the stadium would mean nothing to Jerry, as long as his money is rolling in.

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Jerry already got his money from the season ticket holders, so, yes, he does not care if they are Rams fans or Cowboys fans. Well, I am sure he does, but that is not what is the top of his thoughts.

He will eventually make money on the concessions. That is contracted out, but I am sure he owns part of that company, as well what he got from the contract.

It will be mixed as usual but not like that Eagles crowd that was poised to boo the minute something happened last night.

It is interesting to watch the different fan bases and what they feel their job is. The Eagles fans feel it is their responsibility to boo and get mad, it's been that way for so long it's just part of the experience which they reflected at the beginning of "Invincible". I saw an interview with the director and he said it was part of the culture of the crowd and only in Philly had they seen that but I knew season ticket holders when I lived up there that told me parents actually have there kids boo as part of the rite of passage. You are not a true Eagles fan if you haven't booed.

The Dallas crowd has seldom been one to see themselves as the catalyst for their team, which is why you'll hear announcers say "it's really gotten quiet in here" when it's not something the crowd thinks they should be rewarding the team with just yet. With the Cowboys, they must earn that love. It is not my job to motivate you through my advanced cheering, you need to do something worthy of it. And if you watched that MNF game, the home crowd was that way as well, even when it went to 17-10, most held back until it was tied.

In that regard, both fanbases are similar, don't fool me. Don't trick me because I've given you my cheers and you didn't reward me. Now, I will wait to give you love.

I haven't gone to games since the 80's so I am not speaking from recent experience but Dallas, more than any franchise city, doesn't represent the belief that the most ardent fans are the ones that attend the games. I have seen far more excited fans in a sports bar than at the game. When I had season tickets, I was a fan, a rather boisterous and vocal one, but I felt uncomfortable cutting loose and the one revealing thing I can recall from that time are there words after a loss "good game".

That not only summed up the people that were around us but what I believe is a large majority of the fans and not well represented on this forum. It's the entertainment aspect of the whole thing. In other cities, if you want to impress people you drop "we were at the ballet or opera" last night. In the Metroplex, it's "the game". My wife remarked one time, after these two women had walked up the stairs "this isn't a football stadium, it's a runway at Neiman-Marcus".

Zordon said:

Yet another way transplants have ruined this city. I posted those videos in the other thread to show people the love affair the city used to have with this franchise. Stephen should worry about the fanbase being left for him.

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The franchise value is at 5B and climbing, he could care less about that fanbase.

foofighters said:

What's the feeling with you ticket holders if things don't change for next year? Would you pick up your PSL for next year? Just curious what the buzz is.

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erod said:

There's no option on the PSL. You either pay it all up front, or finance it for up to 30 years like a mortgage. It's a contract.

It's not really about selling the rights to the seats. More and more people are just selling their tickets to each game on line to make money off of them. There's a lot of discontent with how stubborn and petulant Jerry is. The man just won't change his ways. The franchise is beyond state.

I've thought about selling my club seats (I have two sets in different sections).

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I sold my club seat PSL's before the 2016 season. I have no regrets whatsoever, not for one second. I had the chance to get out for break even. So took it. Now, I bet no one would touch them at the price unless basically giving them away.

I guess one could not pay their PSL's if they still owe on them, as they were offered to finance for 30 years at 8% interest.
I sold mine for other reasons more so than not being the team going in the right direction, as at the time I thought they were. I got lucky.

One guy after the 1st few years did not want his suite anymore and stopped paying, Jerry was suing him, not sure how that turned out. But that was around $1 million suite.
Not sure what they would do if one just stopped paying for the PSL's, besides not issue the tickets to them to buy.

CouchCoach said:

The franchise value is at 5B and climbing, he could care less about that fanbase.

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You cannot live off the fans from the 70's/80's/90's forever.

erod said:

I sold all the rest of my tickets for the season the day after that disgusting Bills game. I decided I've got better things to do with my valuable time and money than watch first hand a team with such little character and effort.

In fact, I'm not even going to watch the game this weekend on television. Decided to take a little family road trip instead. I KNOW a lot of my fellow season-ticket holder friends in my section are doing the same.

If form holds, Dallas will probably lose by 30 points. I've got better things to do.

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That's what I would've done too. Don't blame you at all.

Ranching said:

I take offense to this, as a member of a country club

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And now the sordid truth is revealed

erod said:

I've heard talk of a collective lawsuit among club ticket holders for business malpractice, kind of like a securities class action suit from investors.

It wouldn't go anywhere, of course, but it sure would get coverage by the local and national media. Get attorneys in front of cameras claiming Jerry is sabotaging the franchise through incompetence, and thus impacting the value of PSL ownership in a way that tortiously voids the contract terms.

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No one thought that old woman would collect on suing McDonald's for spilling coffee in herself either or that burglar that won against the homeowner that shot him. In the words of one of my closest friends, a scumbag attorney and I call him that to his face and he just smiles the attorney smile, when I ask him if this case has a chance. He just pauses and say "depends on the jury".

The real Cowboys fans that continue to support that are Booger's jury and he's innocent on all counts until he they really charge him with the crime of malfeasance. He's not a public official but that's not the way a lot of fans have felt about their team.....until he arrived on the scent to announce "let them pay 140M, if they want to run it".

Just like he misjudged the feeling the area had about Tom Landry when he bought the team, he didn't understand the relationship the locals had with their team. There was a feeling of collective ownership that is hard to really describe but he's killed that and had fun doing it.

He's made himself into the face of the franchise so when they lose, he's a loser and that works just fine for me.

Well done @erod and @CouchCoach.

Two of the most insightful fans we have on these forums. It’s fans like these which keep me coming back.

Merry Christmas fellas!!!

Diehardblues said:

Well done @erod and @CouchCoach.

Two of the most insightful fans we have on these forums. It’s fans like these which keep me coming back.

Merry Christmas fellas!!!

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Same to you, Greg.

Diehardblues said:

Well done @erod and @CouchCoach.

Two of the most insightful fans we have on these forums. It’s fans like these which keep me coming back.

Merry Christmas fellas!!!

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Back atcha!

I already sold my remaining season tickets and don't care who bought them. If that ends up being a Ram's fan then more power to them.

I expect there to be a number of empty seats. If you look at the ticket exchange right now the scalpers are asking north of 400 for most seats still and are completely not dealing in reality. I would even say that if you are a cowboys fan in the market who has never been to a game these next two games might be the weeks to go. I imagine the ticket prices are going to fall through the floor by saturday. So I bet a lot will sell below face value so its a good opportunity if you have always wanted to go and can't afford the absurd secondary market prices normally.

Nobody here cares about the team currently and it feels like the season has already ended. I don't think any Rams fans from LA are in a big hurry to come to overcast and cold DFW to overpay for essentially a meaningless game. The rams still have a wild card shot if minnesota falls apart but I doubt they will with week 16 and 17 at home.

quickccc said:

I tend to believe we have better, louder and more enthusiastic fan base nationally and outside of AT&T than we do inside that stadium.

I get such the sense of entitlement and meh in our crowd there.
And makes no sense for the most popular team in sports history and current, to have to rely on their own
players and at times even the coaches, to have to try to rally up the home crowd for noise advantage.

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Its not true though. When the team is great the stadium is great. When the team is as it currently is the stadium is silent and apathetic. This is the difference between a number of cities and this one. In Philly last night they boo'd and that is how they show their frustration with the team. Here it is just apathy.

In NY their apathy is so deep currently no one cares about anything. After the staff and GM get fired in 3 weeks their fan base will be back booing when they are disappointed.

This area just really doesn't have that deep hate of losing, you can see it in this thread. The people here will just go ok I will go do something else and comeback when they are winning and I have something to gain out of it. Cowboys fans in this market get the cowboys jammed down their throats 12 months a year. Its always a jones family member doing it. It has created an apathy that is hard to put into words.