What will Urban Cowboys look like?

phildadon86 said:

Urban does not run a country club. And wont come here unless he is allowed to implement his ideals. The question is. Has jerry realized the only way to win is for him to step out of his own way?

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gimmesix said:

Jerry will never completely step out of the way until he can no longer function. However, he showed with Parcells that he can work with a proven coach who knows what he wants. He's still going to make decisions that he thinks is best and sometimes he'll be right (drafting Ware before Spears) and other times he'll be wrong (signing Owens), but he let Parcells do what Parcells wanted to do and I believe he'll do the same with any coach who has shown he knows how to win.

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erod said:

I'm increasingly convinced that Jerry is going to hire Urban Meyer. It makes sense. I don't think Lincoln Riley would want any part of this. I wish they'd look at Matt Rhule, but I don't think they are. Established head coaches like Sean Payton would want complete control.

Meyer has a bevy of ready former assistants out of work right now, and there's a good chance he'll retain many of the existing coaches like Kellen Moore. I think Jerry wants that. I don't expect Meyer to be here long - he never is - and Jerry wants in-house options sooner than later. In fact, I think Jerry wants this to be over quickly, just like he did with Parcells.

"Please fix this and leave." That seems to be the corner Jerry has painted himself into. Again.

Meyer is a CEO-approach coach like Garrett in that he won't call plays. He does have a big personality like Jimmy, who didn't call plays either, and he'll rule with intimidation and force, which is fine in general.

But what kind of team are we really going to have under Meyer?

He is without scruples. He had 40 players get arrested while he was at Florida. He ignored violent and repeated spousal abuse committed by one of his assistants at Ohio State without saying a word. He tolerated multiple incidents by Zeke, which became so intense that Joey Bosa had to change roommates. It's a common theme everywhere he goes. His programs are like circus freak shows, and it'll be harder to contain these "secrets" in the NFL than it was in college back then.

However, he does win, by whatever means necessary. So there is that. I expect he'll do that here more consistently, and he's a big enough presence to command attention from players. He'll take no gruff from Jerry on the football decision front. I like that, and I don't think he'll spend time blowing sunshine up his players backsides like Garrett and Jerry do constantly. More to like.

But there's the other ugly side, I fear.

Meyer wouldn't blink twice about bringing in Greg Hardy. He'd do it over and over if he thought he could win. He doesn't care about "right kind of guy" whatsoever, as long as the production on the field is there. Doesn't care about reputation or image the team projects. He cares about winning.

Imagine a roster full of Burfict, Beckham, AB, Incognito, Hardy, and Tyreek types.

I don't expect players like Amari Cooper and Byron Jones to respond well to him. Not sure about Dak or Leighton. I wonder what Zeke thinks? I do think it would be good for a few players who need a swift kick in their derriere.

I'll give it this. It will be VERY different than the past 10 years. For everybody. Including Jerry.

That is, in the very least, interesting to ponder.

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phildadon86 said:

So we are now comparing urban to paterno? Is that how far we have come. I am just saying. Urban isn’t these people. And used bill as an example. Would you take belichek?

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aria said:

If you don’t think Meyer is like Paterno than you may want to reconsider. Both had employees on their staff that they knowingly were committing a crime, one was sexual abuse against a minor and the other was physical abuse against a woman, and neither did or said anything about it until they were caught. Urban IS “those people”.

I won’t even get into Florida.

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erod said:

I'm increasingly convinced that Jerry is going to hire Urban Meyer. It makes sense. I don't think Lincoln Riley would want any part of this. I wish they'd look at Matt Rhule, but I don't think they are. Established head coaches like Sean Payton would want complete control.

Meyer has a bevy of ready former assistants out of work right now, and there's a good chance he'll retain many of the existing coaches like Kellen Moore. I think Jerry wants that. I don't expect Meyer to be here long - he never is - and Jerry wants in-house options sooner than later. In fact, I think Jerry wants this to be over quickly, just like he did with Parcells.

"Please fix this and leave." That seems to be the corner Jerry has painted himself into. Again.

Meyer is a CEO-approach coach like Garrett in that he won't call plays. He does have a big personality like Jimmy, who didn't call plays either, and he'll rule with intimidation and force, which is fine in general.

But what kind of team are we really going to have under Meyer?

He is without scruples. He had 40 players get arrested while he was at Florida. He ignored violent and repeated spousal abuse committed by one of his assistants at Ohio State without saying a word. He tolerated multiple incidents by Zeke, which became so intense that Joey Bosa had to change roommates. It's a common theme everywhere he goes. His programs are like circus freak shows, and it'll be harder to contain these "secrets" in the NFL than it was in college back then.

However, he does win, by whatever means necessary. So there is that. I expect he'll do that here more consistently, and he's a big enough presence to command attention from players. He'll take no gruff from Jerry on the football decision front. I like that, and I don't think he'll spend time blowing sunshine up his players backsides like Garrett and Jerry do constantly. More to like.

But there's the other ugly side, I fear.

Meyer wouldn't blink twice about bringing in Greg Hardy. He'd do it over and over if he thought he could win. He doesn't care about "right kind of guy" whatsoever, as long as the production on the field is there. Doesn't care about reputation or image the team projects. He cares about winning.

Imagine a roster full of Burfict, Beckham, AB, Incognito, Hardy, and Tyreek types.

I don't expect players like Amari Cooper and Byron Jones to respond well to him. Not sure about Dak or Leighton. I wonder what Zeke thinks? I do think it would be good for a few players who need a swift kick in their derriere.

I'll give it this. It will be VERY different than the past 10 years. For everybody. Including Jerry.

That is, in the very least, interesting to ponder.

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CowboyinMD said:

B.S. Joe reported what he knew to the proper authorities, well after Jerry Sandusky had already been off the team. Anything more on Paterno's part would have been libel without any proof, so yeah, after it was reported he probably kept it quiet. Remember this had already been vetted through a court, and Paterno was exonerated of any collusion or wrongdoing. PSU's executive branch and BOT majorly botched things up thereafter, but the sanctions were dropped before their expiration because of the simple fact that this creep had a lot of people fooled, even after proper protocol was followed.

As a PSU alum, I'm still amazed that the entire University and people connected with it therein are automatically assumed to condone such behavior. Maybe you think Sean Lee is a pedo. He was recruited by Paterno and liked him as a coach. Again, one twisted individual.

Anyway, regarding Urban, I like the guy. He's a damn good coach and a good family man. Having watched this dude on the 'other' sideline all these years (at OSU), it'll be nice to get him on ours for a change.

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stiletto said:

Urban Meyer is a beast football coach...he's turned every program he's run around. NFL is different but he might be like a Jim Harbaugh type for us, come in and change the culture for a few years and get out. Don't know if he'd win a Super Bowl but I'd be willing to bet we don't lose in stupid ways as with Clappy the Clown.

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gjkoeppen said:

ALL of Meyers experience is in COLLEGE not the NFL. Two different animals. Meyers way of handling kids just out of high school won't fly in the NFL if for no other reason than a thing called the CBA.
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stiletto said:

Opinion....

Here's a fact for ya... He brings skins on the wall and has actually done SOMETHING in his coaching career. Unlike Clappy...I'm willing to give him a chance.

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erod said:

I'm increasingly convinced that Jerry is going to hire Urban Meyer. It makes sense. I don't think Lincoln Riley would want any part of this. I wish they'd look at Matt Rhule, but I don't think they are. Established head coaches like Sean Payton would want complete control.

Meyer has a bevy of ready former assistants out of work right now, and there's a good chance he'll retain many of the existing coaches like Kellen Moore. I think Jerry wants that. I don't expect Meyer to be here long - he never is - and Jerry wants in-house options sooner than later. In fact, I think Jerry wants this to be over quickly, just like he did with Parcells.

"Please fix this and leave." That seems to be the corner Jerry has painted himself into. Again.

Meyer is a CEO-approach coach like Garrett in that he won't call plays. He does have a big personality like Jimmy, who didn't call plays either, and he'll rule with intimidation and force, which is fine in general.

But what kind of team are we really going to have under Meyer?

He is without scruples. He had 40 players get arrested while he was at Florida. He ignored violent and repeated spousal abuse committed by one of his assistants at Ohio State without saying a word. He tolerated multiple incidents by Zeke, which became so intense that Joey Bosa had to change roommates. It's a common theme everywhere he goes. His programs are like circus freak shows, and it'll be harder to contain these "secrets" in the NFL than it was in college back then.

However, he does win, by whatever means necessary. So there is that. I expect he'll do that here more consistently, and he's a big enough presence to command attention from players. He'll take no gruff from Jerry on the football decision front. I like that, and I don't think he'll spend time blowing sunshine up his players backsides like Garrett and Jerry do constantly. More to like.

But there's the other ugly side, I fear.

Meyer wouldn't blink twice about bringing in Greg Hardy. He'd do it over and over if he thought he could win. He doesn't care about "right kind of guy" whatsoever, as long as the production on the field is there. Doesn't care about reputation or image the team projects. He cares about winning.

Imagine a roster full of Burfict, Beckham, AB, Incognito, Hardy, and Tyreek types.

I don't expect players like Amari Cooper and Byron Jones to respond well to him. Not sure about Dak or Leighton. I wonder what Zeke thinks? I do think it would be good for a few players who need a swift kick in their derriere.

I'll give it this. It will be VERY different than the past 10 years. For everybody. Including Jerry.

That is, in the very least, interesting to ponder.

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gjkoeppen said:

I don't know why it's so hard for some to understand that all those skins were in college and college isn't the NFL. I didn't say a word about whether or not to let Garrett go, only that college coaches as 1st NFL head coaches have a dismal record and almost all fail in their first attempt. So what I'm saying is I don't care what a college coach did in college, it's not the NFLthey are two completely different animals and the odds are against any team getting turned around that goes that route trying a college coach as a 1st time NFL head coach.
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kskboys said:

Plus, Meyer would have insight into incoming college players. We'd have about 3 years of great drafts.

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