Has Dak miscalculated?

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My opinion hasn't changed about Dak. I don't believe he is one of the top QBs in the NFL. I think he has some talent and I think you can win with him if you are able to play solid football in all three phases but he's not a guy who's gonna beat other teams with his skills if the rest of the team isn't winning battles. I would not pay him the deal he wants but he is far from a QB who sucks and isn't worth the investment of a 28/30 at most, annual deal IMO.
 

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Dallas has endorsement value. If Dallas is anywhere near relevant, players top the league in jersey sales and endorsement money.
 

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My opinion hasn't changed about Dak. I don't believe he is one of the top QBs in the NFL. I think he has some talent and I think you can win with him if you are able to play solid football in all three phases but he's not a guy who's gonna beat other teams with his skills if the rest of the team isn't winning battles. I would not pay him the deal he wants but he is far from a QB who sucks and isn't worth the investment of a 28/30 at most, annual deal IMO.

He's similar to Derek Carr.

And I can almost promise you, many Raiders fans are making the same arguments for Carr that this board makes for Dak. "Well, look at these stats!". Carr has actually beaten winning teams this year, at the very least.
 

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The big news preseason was that Dak decided to play out the season rather than accepting a deal in the 30m per annum range. Thinking he would increase his worth over the season. Play well, get a bigger deal etc But has this gamble failed from another perspective? The lack of new openings for starters in 2020. Lets look around the league:

NFC East - none of the other teams expected to look for a new QB.

NFC North - only possibility is Rodgers deciding to retire.

NFC South - Even if Brees retires, Saints have Bridgewater. Only possibility is Tampa Bay?

NFC West - no changes expected.

AFC East - will Brady retire? Will the Dolphins sign a QB to compete with Rosen

AFC North - Will the Bengals clean house?

AFC South - no changes expected.

AFC West - will Rivers retire. Raiders sign someone to compete?

Not many spots - depends on the number of high profile retirements. A few teams may sign "number 2 plus" QBs to push their starter or as an interim replacement for a retirement, but these will all be in the 5m to 10m range per year with low guarantees.

What's Daks competition? The other experienced starter on the market will be Case Keenum.

We're also told there are good QBs in the draft.

So even if Dak had a good season, there are very few teams expected to offer 30m plus to ANY QB.

First I don't get what your opinion of the QB market by divisions has to do with how much Prescott is signed for. Second the bar goes up for all QB's salaries every year so to think that since there was already QB's making 30 mil they raised the bar for all other QB's Every year there is a QB that gets what many feel is an outrageous contract which also helps bring up contracts for all QB. When teams allow their QB's to walk because they don't feel their play is worth what the player is asking then we'll see QB contracts slow down. Then last starting QB that a team allowed to walk was Cousins and that was after 2 years in a row the skins tagged him making him the average of the 3 highest paid QB's. Neither prior to or after being tagged has Cousins come anywhere close to being in the top 3 of QB's.

One last thing there is just about zero chance Rodgers will retire.
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The big news preseason was that Dak decided to play out the season rather than accepting a deal in the 30m per annum range. Thinking he would increase his worth over the season. Play well, get a bigger deal etc But has this gamble failed from another perspective? The lack of new openings for starters in 2020. Lets look around the league:

NFC East - none of the other teams expected to look for a new QB.

NFC North - only possibility is Rodgers deciding to retire.

NFC South - Even if Brees retires, Saints have Bridgewater. Only possibility is Tampa Bay?

NFC West - no changes expected.

AFC East - will Brady retire? Will the Dolphins sign a QB to compete with Rosen

AFC North - Will the Bengals clean house?

AFC South - no changes expected.

AFC West - will Rivers retire. Raiders sign someone to compete?

Not many spots - depends on the number of high profile retirements. A few teams may sign "number 2 plus" QBs to push their starter or as an interim replacement for a retirement, but these will all be in the 5m to 10m range per year with low guarantees.

What's Daks competition? The other experienced starter on the market will be Case Keenum.

We're also told there are good QBs in the draft.

So even if Dak had a good season, there are very few teams expected to offer 30m plus to ANY QB.
If he was actually offered 30 million he should have jumped on it. That is life changing money. He certainly has guts to walk away from an offer like that.
 

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His agent will use numbers, not overall team performance to negotiate his deal..

Bad field position, bad defense, bad special teams, etc...

Top 5 offense in yds and points despite poor field position and all the above, yadda, yadda, yadda$$$$$
 

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Dak is going to get 30+ Million. He's also good enough to win a Superbowl.

This thread is hilarious btw.
 

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The big news preseason was that Dak decided to play out the season rather than accepting a deal in the 30m per annum range. Thinking he would increase his worth over the season. Play well, get a bigger deal etc But has this gamble failed from another perspective? The lack of new openings for starters in 2020. Lets look around the league:

NFC East - none of the other teams expected to look for a new QB.

NFC North - only possibility is Rodgers deciding to retire.

NFC South - Even if Brees retires, Saints have Bridgewater. Only possibility is Tampa Bay?

NFC West - no changes expected.

AFC East - will Brady retire? Will the Dolphins sign a QB to compete with Rosen

AFC North - Will the Bengals clean house?

AFC South - no changes expected.

AFC West - will Rivers retire. Raiders sign someone to compete?

Not many spots - depends on the number of high profile retirements. A few teams may sign "number 2 plus" QBs to push their starter or as an interim replacement for a retirement, but these will all be in the 5m to 10m range per year with low guarantees.

What's Daks competition? The other experienced starter on the market will be Case Keenum.

We're also told there are good QBs in the draft.

So even if Dak had a good season, there are very few teams expected to offer 30m plus to ANY QB.
I don['t see how the Titans (Tannehill), Colts (Brissett), Jaguars (Minshew) and Broncos (Flacco) are set in stone either. But in any case, signing a QB long term isn't just about preserving his services in the immediate year, it is also about preserving his services the year after that and the year after that and so on. If the contract doesn't reflect that, he won't sign.
 

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Dak is not consistent enough to be a franchise QB.

With a team playing well around him, I'd say he is. Just not 30 mil per good enough. I'll take Dak over a lot of QBs that aren't elite.

Screw the franchise tag, Transition tag him. We'll get to see his worth right away. That's what I would do if I was the GM. If he gets a contract offer that he accepts over 30 Mil per year, I wouldn't match. If he gets nothing he is willing to accept, he plays under a much cheaper Transition tag. No one is going to touch him under the franchise tag unless they want to give up two first rounders.
 

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I'm not hyped for the cowboys like I'd normally be.

I find myself not caring if we lose because I know with Dak, we won't get far anyways. He's not a franchise long term QB.

When we win it's almost bitter sweet. I want to win the SB, bit I know most likely we won't, and of we continue to win then Jerry and company gets fooled like the delusional fans on here that all of a sudden are panicking when some of us been saying it.... and Dak gets paid.

That's my worst fear. I want to care after a loss again.

#DontpayDak
 

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Cousins has made a lot of money. If that’s the route Dak takes....he’s going to be rich.

He already is wealthy. He's a Part of the 1 percent.......and this was reported in 2017. Its been added to in 2018 and 2019. Capitalism pays

"ESPN reported in September 2017 that “No NFL player signed more endorsement deals this offseason than Dak Prescott.” The publication reported, “For his head, he has New Era caps and Beats by Dre headphones. For his appetite, he has Campbell’s Chunky Soup and Tostitos tortilla chips. For his thirst, he has Pepsi and 7-Eleven. For private travel, it’s Nicholas Air.” Additionally, he signed deals with AT&T, DirecTV, and card company Panini America."
 

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Jerry was waiting to fold at any point to re-sign Dak. Dak for whatever reason never tried to get him to fold. Greed by agent or truly stuck over 1-2 years on the term.

I get he was planning on having his best year and go far in the playoffs, but the wheels have come off some time ago. He gets his stats still, but now they are hollow stats.

I'm also at the point of franchising him too. Rather see Cooper get the long term deal between the two.

With a team playing well around him, I'd say he is. Just not 30 mil per good enough. I'll take Dak over a lot of QBs that aren't elite.

Screw the franchise tag, Transition tag him. We'll get to see his worth right away. That's what I would do if I was the GM. If he gets a contract offer that he accepts over 30 Mil per year, I wouldn't match. If he gets nothing he is willing to accept, he plays under a much cheaper Transition tag. No one is going to touch him under the franchise tag unless they want to give up two first rounders.

They can trade for him for less than two firsts if he signs the tag. Transition tag means all or nothing, and you get no comp pick if they sign elsewhere.

Never underestimate teams that are desperate for a quick turnaround and have millions in rolled over cap.
 

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It's largely true.

There aren't many teams that would trade their quarterback for Dak.

And even fewer that would pay Dak $30+ million a year.

Dak is Ryan Tannehill on a higher profile team.
 
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