Dak and Leading the NFL in Passing

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BoysForLife said:
I know you think you are being super clever but what you are really doing is proving the point of those who criticized Prescott

The Cowboys of the past few years were at their best when Dak was window dressing. The problem is all of his minions and himself and his agent started making false about “his” win/loss Record and demanding that he be paid like an elite quarterback Instead of the bus driver that he was

One need look no further than the early part of 2017 when Zeke was suspended. The responsibility for moving the offense fell almost entirely on Prescott and frankly that was the worst offensive stretch possibly in the history of the franchise, from a perspective of scoring points

So now they pick up Gallup and Cooper and surround Prescott with all sorts of shiny toys and try to make him “the man”. And according to you it’s working. He’s piling up stats

Problem is the team is going in the tank and it’s obvious . And so the sniffer solution is to pay Dak $40 million a year and hope for the best

Of course you recommend this with the full knowledge that a lot of the shiny toys currently at his disposal go bye-bye if he gets paid that kind of money. If he’s not willing to sign for bus driver money and take a supporting role in the offense, then this is absolutely as good as our team can be and it’s only going to get worse as the talent pool diminishes because of a lack of money

You guys wanted Dak to be the star And you got it. And you don’t seem even the slightest bit bothered that the team is sucking butt because of it/. As long as Prescott gets “his” payday and “his” stats, you’re good. And if anyone calls attention to it, then you just conjure up some Romo reference and pound your chest

Pretty sad if you ask me
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I said nothing about his salary all I care about is the scheme is not working and we are not winning , Referenced Romo because the scheme didnt work for either guy . What sad is your reading comprehension.

You snowflakes hear the word Romo and go in to a panic
 
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Aviano90 said:
That’s what they were crying for.
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Sure is and mostly because they hate Dak and figured he could not do it . Dak proved them wrong in that what one man can do another can do if the want to improve bad enough .

Problem is the whole scheme is flawed and dosent work for either player because it is too unbalance and predictable
 
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starfan1 said:
what they do with dak in terms of contract i dont really care.I also dont care if they franchise him. I spent to much negative energy being pissed about the last overpaid QB Im not doing it with this one its the market.I know this he isnt as bad as you and others portray him and not as good as myself at times and others portray him but we can win with him I know because we have.

while it can be debated just how many quality players each of these 2 QB's have or haven't had what cant be debated is whether or not the front office always make the correct choices when an opportunity is there. The Tristan Hill and taco picks are the ones that are most recent but these guys have a history of failures. They have some hits but when they fail they massively fail.
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Respect, but what meaningful games, with the exception of 1 playoff game, have we won? and this season is even worse by not beating 1 winning team yet. And for the record, I never said hes awful. I've been saying hes mediocre for years and a team can win with average IF they have a stout supporting cast on defense. This season has shown that he can beat the teams below average but lose to teams above average. Its all right in front of us to see and the breakdowns are wide spread and systemic.
 
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Blackrain said:
I said nothing about his salary all I care about is the scheme is not working and we are not winning , Referenced Romo because the scheme didnt work for either guy . What sad is your reading comprehension.

You snowflakes hear the word Romo and go in to a panic
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You referenced Romo because it's the classic deflection technique when you get tired of trying to defend Dak.
 
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The offense as a whole need to produce in the 1st quarter. We all see the slow starts.
But the notion that he picks up stats in "garbage time" is just not true. His production is the same from quarters 2-4.
 
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shabazz said:
Respect, but what meaningful games, with the exception of 1 playoff game, have we won? and this season is even worse by not beating 1 winning team yet. And for the record, I never said hes awful. I've been saying hes mediocre for years and a team can win with average IF they have a stout supporting cast on defense. This season has shown that he can beat the teams below average but lose to teams above average. Its all right in front of us to see and the breakdowns are wide spread and systemic.
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you can only beat whose in front of you whether they have a winning record or not is inmaterial to me. The Pats have a boatload of wins every season against subpar teams but in the playoffs Brady is the man. Youre not wrong in saying as a TEAM we havent beat anyone with the exception of the Seattle playoff game last year. I also think that Dak was admirable in the Green bay loss in 2016. meaning he wasnt the reason they lost. I do know that in this league anything is possible on any given day so as long as were are mathematically alive Ill keep hope. I do know dak isnt good enough to carry this team on his own but few QB's are. We are NOT a QB change away. We could be a scheme and coach change away if reparations are made to the defense

my Dak concerns are as follows
the crossing route accuracy
Pocket Presence
play calling when defense changed
slow starts
(some of this is team problems)

my bigger concerns
Garrett and Company
Jones Family
Defense and special team especially defense
 
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BoysForLife said:
You referenced Romo because it's the classic deflection technique when you get tired of trying to defend Dak.
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A classic deflection technique ??? You are really grasping . Try just thinking about football and scheme and why both guys failed with an unbalanced attack and succeeded with a balanced one .
 
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Streetwise said:
The offense as a whole need to produce in the 1st quarter. We all see the slow starts.
But the notion that he picks up stats in "garbage time" is just not true. His production is the same from quarters 2-4.
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No, it's not. His production peaks late in the third and dips a lot in the fourth. You can actually get these statistics right off NFL.com

1st half rating: 92.4
2nd half rating: 104.0
Last two minutes of the half: 97.3

First quarter rating: 78.3
Second quarter rating: 103.4
Third quarter rating: 124.1
Fourth quarter rating: 90.3

Dak has been bad to start the game and finish games.
 

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sean10mm said:
QBR ranked Romo super highly in spite of basically being invented by Trent Dilfer to try to prove Romo wasn't clutch in spite of having good conventional stats, so take that for what it's worth lmao
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Romo Passer Rating / QBR Rating rankings
2014 1 / 1
2013 8 / 13
2012 10 / 11
2011 4 / 5
2010 not qual
2009 8 / 13
2008 8 / 17

Doing this exercise was interesting. When you go back a ways, QBR actually makes some sense as far as ranking versus gut feeling.
 
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Blackrain said:
A classic deflection technique ??? You are really grasping . Try just thinking about football and scheme and why both guys failed with an unbalanced attack and succeeded with a balanced one .
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Had you replied with a statement like this, that would have been a legitimate attempt at an argument

When you are answering a Dak critic (who didn't even mention Romo in the post you're replying to) and your argument is

"Close to 50 attempts, 350 yrds passing a couple TDs and a BIG FAT LLLLLLL Romo ball at it's finest"

Then that's clearly a deflection technique.

You're unable to defend Dak's play (and I don't blame you, lately it's been indefensible) so you bring your strawman Romo into a discussion that he hadn't even been hinted at in, and proceed to describe how much of a "failure" he was.

And I'll grant you, the deflection worked. Because right now we're discussing your deflection technique instead of the albatross under center on the 2019 Cowboys team
 
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BoysForLife said:
Had you replied with a statement like this, that would have been a legitimate attempt at an argument

When you are answering a Dak critic (who didn't even mention Romo in the post you're replying to) and your argument is

"Close to 50 attempts, 350 yrds passing a couple TDs and a BIG FAT LLLLLLL Romo ball at it's finest"

Then that's clearly a deflection technique.

You're unable to defend Dak's play (and I don't blame you, lately it's been indefensible) so you bring your strawman Romo into a discussion that he hadn't even been hinted at in, and proceed to describe how much of a "failure" he was.

And I'll grant you, the deflection worked. Because right now we're discussing your deflection technique instead of the albatross under center on the 2019 Cowboys team
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Tony loved to pass IMO to a fault but he was very good at it and would audible to it whenever possible . Dak seemed very comfortable in a run first scheme or balanced attack but has been forced to throw like Tony did . Dak has compiled stats like Tony did but both struggled to win in this pass happy scheme . As Tony got older we finally built a better line and Murray provided balance and Tony was more successful till his body gave out . But Tony always wanted to pass and didnt really like sharing time with the running games .

He even said as much as a annalist during a game when a team was on the goal line and he said the QB should audible out of the run and add to his stats by throwing a TD . So if your gripe is about me calling it Romo Ball so be it . Its what he loved a pass heavy scheme .

I dont feel we should force this scheme on Dak even though he has proved more than up for the task . I would like us back to a more balanced ball control type of game . No need to Defend Dak he is the least of our problems
 
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Blackrain said:
Tony loved to pass IMO to a fault but he was very good at it and would audible to it whenever possible . Dak seemed very comfortable in a run first scheme or balanced attack but has been forced to throw like Tony did . Dak has compiled stats like Tony did but both struggled to win in this pass happy scheme . As Tony got older we finally built a better line and Murray provided balance and Tony was more successful till his body gave out . But Tony always wanted to pass and didnt really like sharing time with the running games .

He even said as much as a annalist during a game when a team was on the goal line and he said the QB should audible out of the run and add to his stats by throwing a TD . So if your gripe is about me calling it Romo Ball so be it . Its what he loved a pass heavy scheme .

I dont feel we should force this scheme on Dak even though he has proved more than up for the task . I would like us back to a more balanced ball control type of game . No need to Defend Dak he is the least of our problems
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that's a more coherent argument, so thank you.

I don't agree with much of it and we should probablyy agree to disagree, as neither is going to change the other's mind on this one it's apparent. I do not agree whatsoever that Dak is the least of our problems. He's near the top of the list imo.

One thing--regarding the bold--I'm amazed that this odd argument that I've seen many times on this forum got such traction. He was laughing as he said it and being humorous. That was evident to everyone but his harshest critics. But--let's say he was right. Let's say he was being totally serious--what's the difference if we get in the end zone via run or pass? 6 is still 6, isn't it?

To wit--Romo's last year as starter (2014) the Cowboys were ranked 2nd in red zone efficiency (scoring TD's in the red zone)

The last 2 years, we've been 17th and 26th. Is that all Dak's fault? No, not saying it is. But I'd assume he's at least part of the equation, isn't he? whatever your rationale is for "stat padding", that is an issue with this offense.

One of the biggest problems right now with this team is red zone efficiency and I would submit that whatever your beef with Romo is, one of this team's biggest faults right now seems to be red zone efficiency. Do you think Dak is somewhat responsible for that? Local media seems to.....
https://sportdfw.com/2019/12/04/dallas-cowboys-red-zone-problem/
 
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BoysForLife said:
that's a more coherent argument, so thank you.

I don't agree with much of it and we should probablyy agree to disagree, as neither is going to change the other's mind on this one it's apparent. I do not agree whatsoever that Dak is the least of our problems. He's near the top of the list imo.

One thing--regarding the bold--I'm amazed that this odd argument that I've seen many times on this forum got such traction. He was laughing as he said it and being humorous. That was evident to everyone but his harshest critics. But--let's say he was right. Let's say he was being totally serious--what's the difference if we get in the end zone via run or pass? 6 is still 6, isn't it?

To wit--Romo's last year as starter (2014) the Cowboys were ranked 2nd in red zone efficiency (scoring TD's in the red zone)

The last 2 years, we've been 17th and 26th. Is that all Dak's fault? No, not saying it is. But I'd assume he's at least part of the equation, isn't he? whatever your rationale is for "stat padding", that is an issue with this offense.

One of the biggest problems right now with this team is red zone efficiency and I would submit that whatever your beef with Romo is, one of this team's biggest faults right now seems to be red zone efficiency. Do you think Dak is somewhat responsible for that? Local media seems to.....
https://sportdfw.com/2019/12/04/dallas-cowboys-red-zone-problem/
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In Tonys last year as a starter we also for the 1st time in his career ran the ball more than we passed for about 30 attempts Had the most rush yrds 2354 and the most rushing TDs 16 ever scored while he was full time starter . IMO this balanced attack and the capability to score rushing TDs helped lead to being the 2nd ranked in redzone efficiency. And a good season for that matter .
Conversely in the 8-8 yrs we averaged 8 rush TDs a yr and had over 600 more pass attempts than rush attempts in a 3 yr span.

In Daks 1st yr again we had a balanced attack with about 20 more runs than passes 2390 yrds rushing and 24 rushing TDs along with a good season .

As I said before I feel both players did better with a balanced attack .

I agree Red zone efficiency is a problem and I believe there is a lot of blame to go around I put coaching at the top and our Oline just flatout not being the dominant unit they once were right behind coaching . Dak and Zeke are less at fault IMO
We can agree to disagree on Dak being the least of our problems as I see that he is far from perfect but has made much progress in the Offseason in correcting his flaws .

The Defense on the other hand has regressed tragically. Special teams have never been what I would call our strong point but this year have reached a new low . And our coaching is only outdone in ineptness by our kicking game . That said the Oline and Zeke have also regressed .
Although not Troy and the Playmaker Dak and Gallup are the only things I have seen make any forward progress this year . Just my opinion FWIW
 
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LovinItAll said:
I was thinking about this.....

Dak's leading the NFL in passing, but so what? We have a losing record and we look like a train wreck. Place blame wherever you want to for our losses - and there's plenty of blame to go around - but this post is about leading the league in passing yards and how it doesn't matter....or does it?

Who's in 2nd place? Jameis Winston. That's gotten the Bucs the same record as the Cowboys. 3rd place? Rivers at 5-8.

Still, I think it matters. I don't care that many of the yards have come when games were out of hand. It still proves that Dak can sling it around with success. A coaching staff that can build a cohesive game plan doesn't have to worry about the limitations of Dak Prescott. I don't know this for sure, but I believe the current staff actively discourages Dak from running the ball. They know that if Dak goes down, any chance of winning goes down with him. Copper Rush just isn't going to get it done where Dak and the team can't. I'm okay with Dak limiting his rushes. As highly as I think of Lamar Jackson, he's still limited this week with a thigh bruise. Whether Jackson can succeed long term utilizing his legs as he has this year remains to be seen.

Before someone jumps in with Dak's INTs this year, just stop. Several were end of half and long, low percentage passes when we had a big lead. I really can't think of one pick that lead to us losing the game.

Just my thoughts.
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It proves he's having about as good a year as Jameis Winston and Philip Rivers.
 
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Reign Dakota Biscotti needs to start making better reads/decisions starting this weekend.
 
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