Amari Cooper's future with the Cowboys?

JBell

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Do people remember what this offense looked like last year before Amari? Lol.

It wasn't that long ago people.

I can understand being hesitant since Zeke and Jaylon aren't living up to the contracts they just got, but 19 has been a clear difference maker.
 

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I’d rather keep Cooper than Dak.

The guy is open more than Dak gets it to him.
 

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Cooper has produced 1000 yards receiving 4 out of 5 years in the league. Dez had 3 in 8 years. Yeah, Cooper is better!
Dez in 3 years had way more TDs than Amari has had in his entire career.

Dez has been all-pro, Amari hasnt


No matter how much Dez hurt your wittle feelinz, he was a better receiver
 

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Dez in 3 years had way more TDs than Amari has had in his entire career.

Dez has been all-pro, Amari hasnt


No matter how much Dez hurt your wittle feelinz, he was a better receiver
Nope! Not even close!
 

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People don't think of cap implications.

Cooper cost us 400k last year and a 1st round draft pick. Not much felt during the year, but we felt it this year. The money we paid him this year and the lack of a 1st round caliber player in lieu of him has been felt. This team didn't improve through the draft this year. And now he is potentially gone or going to break the bank? Will the team be better next year? Is Prescott to Cooper so potent a combination that it merits 60 million dollars a year? It's malfeasance.
 

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Look, let's be honest everyone, we over estimated the talent on this team. We're not nearly as close as we thought we were.

And if that's the case, if we're not one year away from a Super Bowl, it's not smart to tie up the entire salary cap in this group of players. The Cowboys already anchored themselves to Zeke, not sure I want us anchored to Dak and Cooper too. I'd just as soon let a new coach come in and make those decisions.

If I were GM, I'd franchise Dak, transition tag Cooper, and draft a QB in the first round. I'd try to find some way out of that Zeke contract, hopefully trading him, and I'd start over.
 

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Hell no to AB. Dude is a nutcase. OBJ is a diva, but isn't insane like Brown.

The Michael Thomas deal isn't that bad to be honest, the way it's broken down.

I'm a "no" for AB as well, with one caveat. He's probably not going to get a multi-year deal with a big signing bonus. So if he can be had for a one-year prove it deal, especially considering that Dak and Cooper will also probably be on tags and one-year deals, I kind-of like the sound of that. Then in 2021 you can choose to part with all three or keep whichever ones the new coach deems to be part of this long term Super Bowl plans.
 

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I'm a "no" for AB as well, with one caveat. He's probably not going to get a multi-year deal with a big signing bonus. So if he can be had for a one-year prove it deal, especially considering that Dak and Cooper will also probably be on tags and one-year deals, I kind-of like the sound of that. Then in 2021 you can choose to part with all three or keep whichever ones the new coach deems to be part of this long term Super Bowl plans.

It wouldn't shock me though if he was blacklisted. Those allegations, his random outbursts, how he screwed over the Raiders and then talked **** publicly to a "top" Owner in the league.
 

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I love Cooper but one of OBJs worst seasons is equivalent to one of Coops best. Hardly a better player in the league with the ball in his hands than OBJ; plus his hands as maybe the best.
I think obj is one of the best but he is a locker room cancer when it comes down to it. I will take Coop all day long.
 

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People don't think of cap implications.

Cooper cost us 400k last year and a 1st round draft pick. Not much felt during the year, but we felt it this year. The money we paid him this year and the lack of a 1st round caliber player in lieu of him has been felt. This team didn't improve through the draft this year. And now he is potentially gone or going to break the bank? Will the team be better next year? Is Prescott to Cooper so potent a combination that it merits 60 million dollars a year? It's malfeasance.

When speaking of cap implications, I think many folks don't realize that Dak and Coop could easily have a combined cap number in '20 of less than $25M. It all depends on the structure. I wouldn't be surprised if they get backloaded deals that have a big final year Cap Hit that could be restructured, voided, etc. Contract writing is actually the one thing I'll give the Jones's credit for.
 

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No reason not to keep Cooper unless the owner is brain dead. No talks is something I am fine with because we have a much more important issue to consider and thats how to win a football game.
 

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Look, let's be honest everyone, we over estimated the talent on this team. We're not nearly as close as we thought we were.

And if that's the case, if we're not one year away from a Super Bowl, it's not smart to tie up the entire salary cap in this group of players. The Cowboys already anchored themselves to Zeke, not sure I want us anchored to Dak and Cooper too. I'd just as soon let a new coach come in and make those decisions.

If I were GM, I'd franchise Dak, transition tag Cooper, and draft a QB in the first round. I'd try to find some way out of that Zeke contract, hopefully trading him, and I'd start over.


wow, that sounds like all the making of a GM further making all the wrong directions that is sinking this team instead of getting it much better.

- And if I’m a GM, I am not franchise tagging Dak Prescott.. for the sake of franchising him. I’m not tagging him to have him audition and prove it another year.
You franchise a QB to buy more time into further negotiating and finalizing a long term deal because you are that sold on him being the absolute cornerstone of your franchise .
If you simply don’t believe in him as your future cornerstone franchise QB,… then you simply let him go (ala Kirk Cousin departure from Skins to Vikes)

- Dak has shown you that he is coachable, how he can be that much more productive and effective with the right situations around him (better coaching mechanics)
He’s shown you a potential ceiling, a progressive curve. He can anchor and win you games and has the tools and means to take you to another level.
He’s gonna be in future pro bowls.

- Like it or not, you’re just gonna have to pay him what his camp believes is market value.
The same way the Carson Wentz, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins, Jimmy Grapolo, etc. are getting their record deals, Dak is gonna be set to get his due record deal as well.

And to turn around to draft a QB in the first round, to which we don’t even know if we are sold on a QB with the 15th or so overall pick in the 1st round, ..and to which we have gotten into
deep trouble with drafting a QB just for the sake of drafting one (ala Quincy Carter)
The strategic and suggestions I'm hearing from you sounds more like knee jerk emotional regret or sheer panic.

* Further more so with Zeke Elliott.

It’s one thing if its resentment of zeke’s holdout, underachieving year and record contract. Its another if some have just never been that impressed with Zeke since he was drafted in 2016, and
really think no RB worth investing a 1st round pick in, and rather much chance a Derrick Henry, Alvin Kamara or Nick Chubb, in further rounds.

My strategic vs trying to grudgeful ship zeke off in a sudden trade, .. rely on my new HC and his trusted assistants in trying to rejuvenate Zeke into the 2016 version that was loaded
and persistent with big splash plays that made him the most feared RB in the NFL.

Elliott doesn’t have chronic shot knees like Gurley, never had a major injury, and he has the backup relief help so he doesn’t have to be beat down fatigued as he was subject to go thru in 2017.
I’m finding ways to best utilize my best players and get them to be in best position for their skill set and potential.

We’ve gained significant success and progress with Dak, as a GM involved in player development with my coaches I’m doing everything I can to continue improve his game
(QB, OC, surrounding cast) - We need to recapture the big play factor we saw from zeke, instead of trying to suddenly run away from him.


* Amari Cooper ? His camp is gonna push for the biggest market value, even though he’s not Julio Jones, Antonio Brown or Beckham class ( by my means)
but his camp of course is gonna deal differently. he’s more next step in that tier in Michael Thomas class, imo.

But market value deals are evitable and we are going to have to deal with that, and as jerry as said, we did not give up a no.1 first round pick just to have him lose him in FA.
And he is a big factor in our pass game and to Dak. While I’m concerned about some factors and flaws to his game,
It’s up to my coaches to scheme to his workings to the best of their ability At the end of the day, I’m going to trust the Jones to get it done long term.
 

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Cooper should demand a premium to be on this team with Jerry Jones.
 

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With Cooper wanting 90+ mil like Thomas..and Dallas having 0 contract talks ..is it possible Jerry sees AB or OBJ as better options? Both are way cheaper ..but Amari has the better attitude and younger..not sure how I would feel if Amari leaves
Amari is not going anywhere.
 
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