What will Urban Cowboys look like?

gjkoeppen

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Well overall far more "football coach" experience than Garrett had and Garrett was handed the NFL head coach job....I just don't think you can paint all College coaches with one big brush. You never know how they'll do. Every guy is different. There's no guarantee a former NFL coach will just come in and succeed either. It's all about fit and how well they will be able to work with the Jones family. Someone like Myer might keep Jerry on the chain for a little while...

First off Garrett not only played the game in the NFL but he also coached as a QB coach and OC which is more NFL experience than Meyers who has ZERO. Second a big brush can be used with college coaches as 1st time NFL head coaches because we have to go all the way back to 1989 as the last college coach hired that won a Super Bowl in his 1st NFL head coaching job. You are right that not all coaches with NFL experience work out but their track record is hugely better college coaches so the odds are in favor of hiring a coach with some NFL experience.
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We all know the track record of most college coaches...it ain't pretty. Yet, many talk of NFL experience like it's deal breaker. I look at the likes of Romeo Crennel, Wade Phillips, Jack Del Rio etc who have had multiple yrs and multiple shots and have failed as well. In fact, more "experienced" NFL guys get shown the door every season. It's a crapshoot either way, just can't be afraid to throw the dice when what you have is NOT working
 

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First off Garrett not only played the game in the NFL but he also coached as a QB coach and OC which is more NFL experience than Meyers who has ZERO. Second a big brush can be used with college coaches as 1st time NFL head coaches because we have to go all the way back to 1989 as the last college coach hired that won a Super Bowl in his 1st NFL head coaching job. You are right that not all coaches with NFL experience work out but their track record is hugely better college coaches so the odds are in favor of hiring a coach with some NFL experience.
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Don't defend Garrett.. he's been a disaster, you already lose points for doing that. You better find better company to align with around here. Meyer has won 3...THREE National Championships at the college level, turned around 3 football programs and has won everywhere he has been. Until that changes, the evidence is there that he is a winner and an amazing coach.

With that said, I do understand what you are saying. I just don't like re-treads... If you empower a coach like Meyer, he can succeed. It is really about Jerry and what power he is willing to give up to a guy like Meyer.

So with that said...who do you want? Some "good this season" coordinator from the 9ers or Ravens?? Just curious.
 

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We all know the track record of most college coaches...it ain't pretty. Yet, many talk of NFL experience like it's deal breaker. I look at the likes of Romeo Crennel, Wade Phillips, Jack Del Rio etc who have had multiple yrs and multiple shots and have failed as well. In fact, more "experienced" NFL guys get shown the door every season. It's a crapshoot either way, just can't be afraid to throw the dice when what you have is NOT working

I've been trying to find a way to word this here, over the last few Meyer discussions. Thank you.

That lost goes on and on and on as well!!
 

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I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!! I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!

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Urban Meyer is a God among coaches. For those of you not familiar with him I suggest you watch the video I attached. The guy is nothing like the weak minded and totally fake Jason Garrett. I love Jason Garrett as a man of character, but his flaws have enabled him to take on a chameleon role with the cowboys which is unflattering. What I mean by that is Garrett will be the tough guy when the camera's are rolling throwing out fake F bomb after F bomb, only to smile like chester cheetah and say all the canned and processed things during his idiotic Jason Garrett shows. The guy is complete phony as a coach but much like Jerry a great salesman of himself!

Watch Urban in this video and you will see what a real coach looks like and why if we can land him we would be stupid not to.

Garrett is a phenom at speeches. Supposedly he gave one at the owners meeting last year that had all of his peers standing and applauding. Urban will not be better than him in speeches. But it takes more than that to win games.
 

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I want a take no prisoners, kick azz football coach...Priest's should not apply.
 

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Like a pro Ohio State in white-blue and silver!!!!!
Not sure why some keep saying Ohio State being Urban only won one with them & two National Championships with Florida.

Either way, I hope he's the one for our Cowboys. He's tough as nails and WILL turn this team around.
 

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Don't defend Garrett.. he's been a disaster, you already lose points for doing that. You better find better company to align with around here. Meyer has won 3...THREE National Championships at the college level, turned around 3 football programs and has won everywhere he has been. Until that changes, the evidence is there that he is a winner and an amazing coach.

With that said, I do understand what you are saying. I just don't like re-treads... If you empower a coach like Meyer, he can succeed. It is really about Jerry and what power he is willing to give up to a guy like Meyer.

So with that said...who do you want? Some "good this season" coordinator from the 9ers or Ravens?? Just curious.

What you and the rest of the Meyers lovers just don't get is all their big accomplishments were in COLLEGE and not the NFL. College coaches who become 1st time NFL head coaches have a dismal record with those teams and we have to go all the way back to Jimmy Johnson as the last college coach who as a 1st time NFL head coach won any Super Bowls during his first try as an NFL head coach. Why people here are pounding their chest so hard for a type of coach that has such a high failure rate as a college coach becoming a1st time NFL head coach is just so hard to understand.
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We all know the track record of most college coaches...it ain't pretty. Yet, many talk of NFL experience like it's deal breaker. I look at the likes of Romeo Crennel, Wade Phillips, Jack Del Rio etc who have had multiple yrs and multiple shots and have failed as well. In fact, more "experienced" NFL guys get shown the door every season. It's a crapshoot either way, just can't be afraid to throw the dice when what you have is NOT working

Since you used a game of chance as an example allow me to do the same. If playing poker and the bet to you is $10,000 and all you have is a pair of twos, which represents college coaches as 1st time NFL head coaches, do you place your bet or do you fold on that hand and wait for abetter hand.

Yes coaches with prior NFL head coaching experience get fired every year but that doesn't make selecting a former college head coach a smarter choice based on their record.
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What you and the rest of the Meyers lovers just don't get is all their big accomplishments were in COLLEGE and not the NFL. College coaches who become 1st time NFL head coaches have a dismal record with those teams and we have to go all the way back to Jimmy Johnson as the last college coach who as a 1st time NFL head coach won any Super Bowls during his first try as an NFL head coach. Why people here are pounding their chest so hard for a type of coach that has such a high failure rate as a college coach becoming a1st time NFL head coach is just so hard to understand.
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You just like to regurgitate the same white-noise. I asked you a question and you didn't even try to answer it. Worthless conversation....Keep painting things with such a wide brush...tells me you don't understand football at all.
 

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You just like to regurgitate the same white-noise. I asked you a question and you didn't even try to answer it. Worthless conversation....Keep painting things with such a wide brush...tells me you don't understand football at all.

You keep proving that you have a huge comprehension problem. You just don't comprehend the fact that college coaches who become 1st time NFL head coaches have a dismal record with those 1st teams. Because you have this comprehension problem it also proves your extremely limited or tiny knowledge of the NFL. BTY I did answer it but again because of your comprehension problem you didn't understand it.
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I'm increasingly convinced that Jerry is going to hire Urban Meyer. It makes sense. I don't think Lincoln Riley would want any part of this. I wish they'd look at Matt Rhule, but I don't think they are. Established head coaches like Sean Payton would want complete control.

Meyer has a bevy of ready former assistants out of work right now, and there's a good chance he'll retain many of the existing coaches like Kellen Moore. I think Jerry wants that. I don't expect Meyer to be here long - he never is - and Jerry wants in-house options sooner than later. In fact, I think Jerry wants this to be over quickly, just like he did with Parcells.

"Please fix this and leave." That seems to be the corner Jerry has painted himself into. Again.

Meyer is a CEO-approach coach like Garrett in that he won't call plays. He does have a big personality like Jimmy, who didn't call plays either, and he'll rule with intimidation and force, which is fine in general.

But what kind of team are we really going to have under Meyer?

He is without scruples. He had 40 players get arrested while he was at Florida. He ignored violent and repeated spousal abuse committed by one of his assistants at Ohio State without saying a word. He tolerated multiple incidents by Zeke, which became so intense that Joey Bosa had to change roommates. It's a common theme everywhere he goes. His programs are like circus freak shows, and it'll be harder to contain these "secrets" in the NFL than it was in college back then.

However, he does win, by whatever means necessary. So there is that. I expect he'll do that here more consistently, and he's a big enough presence to command attention from players. He'll take no gruff from Jerry on the football decision front. I like that, and I don't think he'll spend time blowing sunshine up his players backsides like Garrett and Jerry do constantly. More to like.

But there's the other ugly side, I fear.

Meyer wouldn't blink twice about bringing in Greg Hardy. He'd do it over and over if he thought he could win. He doesn't care about "right kind of guy" whatsoever, as long as the production on the field is there. Doesn't care about reputation or image the team projects. He cares about winning.

Imagine a roster full of Burfict, Beckham, AB, Incognito, Hardy, and Tyreek types.

I don't expect players like Amari Cooper and Byron Jones to respond well to him. Not sure about Dak or Leighton. I wonder what Zeke thinks? I do think it would be good for a few players who need a swift kick in their derriere.

I'll give it this. It will be VERY different than the past 10 years. For everybody. Including Jerry.

That is, in the very least, interesting to ponder.
Sounds like a perfect fit.
 

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Urbans Cowboys will look like a freshly cut Apple. You know at first it looks great, smells great, tastes great, then after a while it starts to look old and overly ripe, starts to wrinkle and begin to stink. The difference is how long will they look fresh and good? The reason, is because the same problem is still here JERRY JONES. Jerry is the great oxygenator that causes all of that to weather and ripen too fast. Just a sad realization that as long as Jerry is here, no one is going to succeed because Jerry has no idea how to succeed at actual football. Now side business deals, and all that, yeah he is great. Winning football, nah.
 

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I'm increasingly convinced that Jerry is going to hire Urban Meyer. It makes sense. I don't think Lincoln Riley would want any part of this. I wish they'd look at Matt Rhule, but I don't think they are. Established head coaches like Sean Payton would want complete control.

Meyer has a bevy of ready former assistants out of work right now, and there's a good chance he'll retain many of the existing coaches like Kellen Moore. I think Jerry wants that. I don't expect Meyer to be here long - he never is - and Jerry wants in-house options sooner than later. In fact, I think Jerry wants this to be over quickly, just like he did with Parcells.

"Please fix this and leave." That seems to be the corner Jerry has painted himself into. Again.

Meyer is a CEO-approach coach like Garrett in that he won't call plays. He does have a big personality like Jimmy, who didn't call plays either, and he'll rule with intimidation and force, which is fine in general.

But what kind of team are we really going to have under Meyer?

He is without scruples. He had 40 players get arrested while he was at Florida. He ignored violent and repeated spousal abuse committed by one of his assistants at Ohio State without saying a word. He tolerated multiple incidents by Zeke, which became so intense that Joey Bosa had to change roommates. It's a common theme everywhere he goes. His programs are like circus freak shows, and it'll be harder to contain these "secrets" in the NFL than it was in college back then.

However, he does win, by whatever means necessary. So there is that. I expect he'll do that here more consistently, and he's a big enough presence to command attention from players. He'll take no gruff from Jerry on the football decision front. I like that, and I don't think he'll spend time blowing sunshine up his players backsides like Garrett and Jerry do constantly. More to like.

But there's the other ugly side, I fear.

Meyer wouldn't blink twice about bringing in Greg Hardy. He'd do it over and over if he thought he could win. He doesn't care about "right kind of guy" whatsoever, as long as the production on the field is there. Doesn't care about reputation or image the team projects. He cares about winning.

Imagine a roster full of Burfict, Beckham, AB, Incognito, Hardy, and Tyreek types.

I don't expect players like Amari Cooper and Byron Jones to respond well to him. Not sure about Dak or Leighton. I wonder what Zeke thinks? I do think it would be good for a few players who need a swift kick in their derriere.

I'll give it this. It will be VERY different than the past 10 years. For everybody. Including Jerry.

That is, in the very least, interesting to ponder.

You should just send your login info to @Howboutdemcowboys31 and let him post for you. He makes sense and you don't.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/urban-is-the-chosen-one.448195/
 

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Agree to disagree. I don't see a drastic difference between a college HEAD COACH and a COORDINATOR in the NFL. By your own reasoning you'd rather have Rob Ryan as a HC than a Matt Rhule or Urban Meyer because he has NFL experience. I dont see that as a smarter choice. You must obviously have someone in mind as an example, so who? Bienemy, Roman? I'm not opposed, but don't believe their body of work is that superior that I don't check other revenues available to me
 

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You keep proving that you have a huge comprehension problem. You just don't comprehend the fact that college coaches who become 1st time NFL head coaches have a dismal record with those 1st teams. Because you have this comprehension problem it also proves your extremely limited or tiny knowledge of the NFL. BTY I did answer it but again because of your comprehension problem you didn't understand it.
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Blah blah blah....NO... I completely understand what you are saying but you did not give me a solution. You have no idea who you want correct? Just NOT a college coach....and you'd take ANY coach with NFL experience over a winning college coach....LOL....glad you aren't our GM.
 
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