What will Urban Cowboys look like?

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I'm increasingly convinced that Jerry is going to hire Urban Meyer. It makes sense. I don't think Lincoln Riley would want any part of this. I wish they'd look at Matt Rhule, but I don't think they are. Established head coaches like Sean Payton would want complete control.

Meyer has a bevy of ready former assistants out of work right now, and there's a good chance he'll retain many of the existing coaches like Kellen Moore. I think Jerry wants that. I don't expect Meyer to be here long - he never is - and Jerry wants in-house options sooner than later. In fact, I think Jerry wants this to be over quickly, just like he did with Parcells.

"Please fix this and leave." That seems to be the corner Jerry has painted himself into. Again.

Meyer is a CEO-approach coach like Garrett in that he won't call plays. He does have a big personality like Jimmy, who didn't call plays either, and he'll rule with intimidation and force, which is fine in general.

But what kind of team are we really going to have under Meyer?

He is without scruples. He had 40 players get arrested while he was at Florida. He ignored violent and repeated spousal abuse committed by one of his assistants at Ohio State without saying a word. He tolerated multiple incidents by Zeke, which became so intense that Joey Bosa had to change roommates. It's a common theme everywhere he goes. His programs are like circus freak shows, and it'll be harder to contain these "secrets" in the NFL than it was in college back then.

However, he does win, by whatever means necessary. So there is that. I expect he'll do that here more consistently, and he's a big enough presence to command attention from players. He'll take no gruff from Jerry on the football decision front. I like that, and I don't think he'll spend time blowing sunshine up his players backsides like Garrett and Jerry do constantly. More to like.

But there's the other ugly side, I fear.

Meyer wouldn't blink twice about bringing in Greg Hardy. He'd do it over and over if he thought he could win. He doesn't care about "right kind of guy" whatsoever, as long as the production on the field is there. Doesn't care about reputation or image the team projects. He cares about winning.

Imagine a roster full of Burfict, Beckham, AB, Incognito, Hardy, and Tyreek types.

I don't expect players like Amari Cooper and Byron Jones to respond well to him. Not sure about Dak or Leighton. I wonder what Zeke thinks? I do think it would be good for a few players who need a swift kick in their derriere.

I'll give it this. It will be VERY different than the past 10 years. For everybody. Including Jerry.

That is, in the very least, interesting to ponder.

I think you will see more changeover then most seasons

Guys like Crawford , Witten, Lee, Heath, Collins, Cobb, Austin, Jones, Brown could all be gone. In that group he could add 3 starters that he would want.

You will def see a more physical team, with more speed.

You will 100% see a more attacking style of football

But more importantly you would see more fundamentals coached.
 

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I think you will see more changeover then most seasons

Guys like Crawford , Witten, Lee, Heath, Collins, Cobb, Austin, Jones, Brown could all be gone. In that group he could add 3 starters that he would want.

You will def see a more physical team, with more speed.

You will 100% see a more attacking style of football

But more importantly you would see more fundamentals coached.

You'll see a more college-style of offense. Can you name a successful NFL quarterback Meyer ever produced?
 

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You'll see a more college-style of offense. Can you name a successful NFL quarterback Meyer ever produced?

What do you consider successful? I know you already know of Alex Smith, otherwise you wouldn't have asked.

Did you have someone who, hypothetically speaking, is available that has developed a slew of successful NFL QBs?
 

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You'll see a more college-style of offense. Can you name a successful NFL quarterback Meyer ever produced?

Look at our QB. I think that style fits him better anyways.

Baltimore is probably the best team in football and look at them.

Plus who knows how Urban will want to coach at the pro level.

I know he is a great coach that other great coaches respect. If he fails then hey it was worth a try.

I just don't want some guy that owes the Jones's for giving them a job.

Dallas needs a big name coach that the players have to respect.

Not some retread of new guy that's never done anything and that the Jones's can bully behind the scenes.

The higher the profile the better.
 

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What do you consider successful? I know you already know of Alex Smith, otherwise you wouldn't have asked.

Did you have someone who, hypothetically speaking, is available that has developed a slew of successful NFL QBs?
He's the one. From his days at Utah. And he's only been mildly successful.

What did he produce at Florida and Ohio State? Not exactly NFL level quarterbacks.

Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, Dwayne Haskins, Tim Tebow, Chris Leak.......

Hmmm.

Are we going to RPO our way to a Super Bowl?
 

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Look at our QB. I think that style fits him better anyways.

Baltimore is probably the best team in football and look at them.

Honestly, doesn't Dak look like he's slowing down rapidly? They guy quite obviously doesn't want to run anymore, and he has ZERO acceleration.

Troy was pretty quick as a rookie. Just like most QBs. In pretty short order, they lose their burst.

Dak doesn't run as well as Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, or even Derek Carr. He runs more like Jameis Winston, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Stafford.

You can't run Baltimore's offense with that.
 

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He's the one. From his days at Utah. And he's only been mildly successful.

What did he produce at Florida and Ohio State? Not exactly NFL level quarterbacks.

Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, Dwayne Haskins, Tim Tebow, Chris Leak.......

Hmmm.

Are we going to RPO our way to a Super Bowl?
Dont care as long as it brings a superbowl. Plus. Great coaches adapt. Urban is in that mold. Watch the video of him going over ST. He has his finger in everything. Jason has his finger in your know whos you know what. Big difference.
 

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Honestly, doesn't Dak look like he's slowing down rapidly? They guy quite obviously doesn't want to run anymore, and he has ZERO acceleration.

Troy was pretty quick as a rookie. Just like most QBs. In pretty short order, they lose their burst.

Dak doesn't run as well as Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, or even Derek Carr. He runs more like Jameis Winston, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Stafford.

You can't run Baltimore's offense with that.
Dak isnt running because he wants his money and isnt risking his career to save Garretts job. And i dont blame him at all.
 

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Honestly, doesn't Dak look like he's slowing down rapidly? They guy quite obviously doesn't want to run anymore, and he has ZERO acceleration.

Troy was pretty quick as a rookie. Just like most QBs. In pretty short order, they lose their burst.

Dak doesn't run as well as Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, or even Derek Carr. He runs more like Jameis Winston, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Stafford.

You can't run Baltimore's offense with that.


Dak just needs to be moving more. Like a Gary Kubiak / Shannahan style of QB. That's what fits him best IMO.
 

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He's the one. From his days at Utah. And he's only been mildly successful.

What did he produce at Florida and Ohio State? Not exactly NFL level quarterbacks.

Cardale Jones, JT Barrett, Dwayne Haskins, Tim Tebow, Chris Leak.......

Hmmm.

Are we going to RPO our way to a Super Bowl?

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying. I feel Alex Smith was on a roll until the Chiefs found Mahomes, then he got sent to the pit..and then had his unfortunate leg injury. Obviously, the jury is still out on Haskins..being that it's far too early.

What if we don't need him to develop the QB though? Whoever that might be..

A great coach makes what he has available work. The two biggest names, probably, in recent history would be Petey and The Hoodie.

Pete did a complete 180 on defense and literally lost what, 10 games of competitiveness? Now they're in contention again, already, so soon after a complete revamp of the defense?

Bills legacy speaks for itself, but I hope you understand my point thus far.

If Meyer is as good as we hope, he won't need to develop a QB. He and his assistants can tailor the offense to do what it needs to do, with what they have available. As he's done, albeit in college, several times before..with great success.
 

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You'll see a more college-style of offense. Can you name a successful NFL quarterback Meyer ever produced?
You will see a offense kinda like the Steelers and Rams, more like the Steelers tho because Rams use more motion to confuse, when the steelers spread you out and power run the ball.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying. I feel Alex Smith was on a roll until the Chiefs found Mahomes, then he got sent to the pit..and then had his unfortunate leg injury. Obviously, the jury is still out on Haskins..being that it's far too early.

What if we don't need him to develop the QB though? Whoever that might be..

A great coach makes what he has available work. The two biggest names, probably, in recent history would be Petey and The Hoodie.

Pete did a complete 180 on defense and literally lost what, 10 games of competitiveness? Now they're in contention again, already, so soon after a complete revamp of the defense?

Bills legacy speaks for itself, but I hope you understand my point thus far.

If Meyer is as good as we hope, he won't need to develop a QB. He and his assistants can tailor the offense to do what it needs to do, with what they have available. As he's done, albeit in college, several times before..with great success.
Alex Smith = Andy Dalton
 

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Blah blah blah....NO... I completely understand what you are saying but you did not give me a solution. You have no idea who you want correct? Just NOT a college coach....and you'd take ANY coach with NFL experience over a winning college coach....LOL....glad you aren't our GM.

You're right. Based on percentages for success, I want a coach with prior NFL experience and not a college coach getting his 1st crack at being an NFL head coach REGARDLESS of what his COLLEGE record is. College football ISN'T the NFL. So you would rather have a coach that the odds are so very low for his success over another coach with NFL experience who has MUCH HIGHER odds of be successful. I'll bet since you like such terrible odds that in the 1st quarter the Cowboys down by just 3 on a 4th and 5 from their own 30 that you would feel lucky and go for it. I'm happy as hell that you're not the GM.
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Honestly, doesn't Dak look like he's slowing down rapidly? They guy quite obviously doesn't want to run anymore, and he has ZERO acceleration.

Troy was pretty quick as a rookie. Just like most QBs. In pretty short order, they lose their burst.

Dak doesn't run as well as Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, or even Derek Carr. He runs more like Jameis Winston, Kirk Cousins, or Matt Stafford.

You can't run Baltimore's offense with that.

Do you even watch the games?

Dak has had some terrific runs just in the past couple of games. Quality over quantity.
 
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