Jesse Holley: Wade Phillip was sabotaged

DakPresgoat said:

He was also on the team at the time and knows way more about it than anybody on this board.

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Sure, but that doesn't mean he knows the offensive scheme and strategy from his place in the DL meetings.

Kaiser said:

Sure, but does it really make sense that Jason Wonder Boy Ivy League Guru said "Hey, I want to get promoted so let me do a horrible job as OC. That's a sure ticket to earning the HC spot!"

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No. I’m not saying he did it. I’m really not. Like I said. I think Garrett is more than capable of failing just due to lack of ability.

just thought it was an interesting tidbit.

DakPresgoat said:

Showing a clip of that play, and talking about his overall skill level, in no way shape or form disproves
Anything he has to say.

I’m not even a big Holley fan. But if he isn’t lying, it’s certainly interesting to know.

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What he is saying is patently stupid.

Garrett didn't sabotage Wade. Does that really seem like him? No, of course it doesn't.

Wade was like a Sunday school teacher. He didn't care about anything anybody did. He even said so. He said players shouldn't have to be motivated. They're grown-ups that need to motivate themselves.

That's why the Cowboys are the only team not named Buffalo that was dumb enough to hire him as head coach.

Kaiser said:

Sure, but that doesn't mean he knows the offensive scheme and strategy from his place in the DL meetings.

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I will say that perception is also reality. If some of the players on the team truly believed it to be happening. It has a negative impact regardless.

but obviously that is water way under the bridge now.

DakPresgoat said:

I know this topic was discussed before.
But On “hangin with the boys” Jesse Holley mentioned it again.

he said he believes Wade was sabotaged by Garrett and that Jesse knows they received a new offensive playbook after Wade was fired and beforehand they were running more vanilla
Plays and schemes.

I just thought it was an interesting nugget from the podcast yesterday.

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Didn't Jesse go at Spagnola not to long ago and now he is saying this on their website?

I like it but it's surprising he is saying this on their website.

phildadon86 said:

Nope. Cant be. I heard here that never happened. Ask @Idgit

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Who do you less fond of: Me or Idgit? Or is it a tie? Just a genuine question, not looking to start anything,

CyberB0b said:

It probably wasn't intentional, he was just that bad of an OC.

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I'll never forget @ Washington when Choice fumbled before half.

AmariChill said:

Who do you less fond of: Me or Idgit? Or is it a tie? Just a genuine question, not looking to start anything,

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I have no issues with anyone. I just called out people when I disagree. It is a public board.

StylisticS said:

that's nice. but this is about jason garrett.

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No, this is about an accusation made by somebody without credibility.

Wade put Holley on the roster. Jason cut him.

Gee.

erod said:

What he is saying is patently stupid.

Garrett didn't sabotage Wade. Does that really seem like him? No, of course it doesn't.

Wade was like a Sunday school teacher. He didn't care about anything anybody did. He even said so. He said players shouldn't have to be motivated. They're grown-ups that need to motivate themselves.

That's why the Cowboys are the only team not named Buffalo that was dumb enough to hire him as head coach.

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Does it seem like him? I don’t know. The past decade of blame shifting of Garret certainly makes me believe it’s entirely possible that he could do it.

let’s not act like underlings never sabotage their bosses. If happens in professions outside of sports too. Some people play backroom games like that.

erod said:

No, this is about an accusation made by somebody without credibility.

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Lol Jesse Holley has way more credibility than anybody on this board. Attacking his credibility for no valid reason is as silly as you think his accusation is.

The fact that Wade could let something like this go without his knowledge just shows he was never meant to be a head coach

bigdnlaca said:

2010 was a weird year because everything they did good in 2009 offensively was thrown out the window.

The Cowboys threw a lot of passes with Romo. I can see the possibility of a new playbook but i also see the emergence of Dez Bryant after the Romo injury making it look like the offense looked different.

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The offense wasn't good in 2009.

It was the same as every other season under JG - good when the talent was better than the opponent, and abysmal otherwise.

DakPresgoat said:

Lol Jesse Holley has way more credibility than anybody on this board. Attacking his credibility for no valid reason is as silly as you think his accusation is.

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Can he prove his accusation? Did he hear Jason say this? Did Jason call bad plays on purpose?

You have to be hammer stupid to buy that.

Jesse is pulling this out of thin air. He's a clown.

1. The actual difference was on DEFENSE, when they created 20 TOs in the last 8 games. It has NOTHING to do with Garrett in reality and his offense was still a hot mess. The only difference is they ran the ball more offensively, meaning when Romo went out they went extremely conservative. Kitna during that stretch still got sacked 21 TIMES in 9 games, threw 12 INTs and fumbled 6 TIMES.

A similar comparison can be made to 2015, but the difference is the defense couldn't generate enough TOs to cover for the offensive ineptitude despite having guys like the Kraken and Tank. We held teams from scoring high totals in multiple games and even when we did get TOs, Garrett's offense without Romo sucked.

2. We beat a bunch of scrub teams that were already out of the play-off hunt after Jason took over. The only game we won that was of some value was the Colts, but again that was because the defense generated 4 TOs and our offense didn't commit a single one. But we barely even won that game with a 4 to 0 TO margin.

3. In 2010, after Wade was fired we lost to the Cardinals, who themselves were a hot mess and the reason is, that was the only game we didn't generate a turnover. But Garrett's offense still committed 3 TOs to a garbage Cardinals squad. Garrett, when Ryan was fired after 2012, when Romo came back, he tried to put his offensive failures on Ryan for not generating TOs. Of course the Red-headed genius never blamed himself for his high TO offenses. Before Wade was fired, the Garrett led offense in committed a whopping 19 TOs in 8 games. Wade was obviously alluding to the fact the bone-headed Ginger wasn't controlling the TOP and tempo and Wade was obviously playing, not aggressively on defense, but conservative.

The difference between Wade and PP, was that we were already OUT of the play-off hunt and Jerry blew a gasket, so the defense could afford to take risks irrespective.

Garrett is just INCOMPETENT and SUCKS as a coach. It's giving him too much credit to say he 'sabotaged' Wade. Jason on the other hand, is probably smarter politically in how he hides when things go bad or shifts the blame on to other folks, like Wade.

erod said:

Jesse Holley is a clown.

The one play he made in his career, he almost completely screwed it up. This could have easily ended up in a fumble out of the back of the end zone. That was the Romo punctured lung game.

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Not a great player. Doesn't make him a liar.

I don't believe Garrett sabotaged Wade for several reasons. I'll stipulate that Holley (and Patrick Crayton) is telling the truth about a new playbook after Wade was fired.

1. Jason probably had to have Wade "approve" his playbook, as Jason respects the hierarchy of the coaching staff (which is clearly a detriment this year). Jason has talked about this many times (not the specifics of Wade getting fired, but respecting the hierarchy within the coaching staff). So when Wade was fired, he could run everything he wanted without Wade's sign off. Things weren't much better even if they were "different". They racked up some points and yards against some bad defenses. I mean, Tashard Choice (!) had a 100 yard game vs. Indy (Felix had 83 in the same game).
2. How does Garrett sabotage a defense that had given up?
3. How did Garrett sabotage Romo getting his collar broken?
4. In Wade's last 5 games, the Cowboys scored 27, 21, 35, 17, 7. The defense gave up 34, 24, 41, 35, 45. That's on Jason how?
5. Jason Garrett is a day2day, "follow the process" type dude that doesn't seem to have any long game in him other than the ability to evaluate offensive talent. He's not the "If I sabotage Wade, I'll get the HC gig" type of thinker. He's too thickheaded.

Garrett has always been a mediocre coach that needed healthy, elite talent to win.

The irony is that his best coaching was probably those last 7 games of 2010 where he went 4-3 with a back-up QB. Usually with a back-up QB Garrett is awful and conservative (not including 2016 which was a different case as they had Peak Zeke, Peak OL play and WRs at their Peak as well). With nothing to play for in 2010's last 7 games, the Cowboys offense was very, very productive with a back-up QB.

Bye, Garrett. Your mediocrity and stubbornness won't be missed.

DakPresgoat said:

I know this topic was discussed before.
But On “hangin with the boys” Jesse Holley mentioned it again.

he said he believes Wade was sabotaged by Garrett and that Jesse knows they received a new offensive playbook after Wade was fired and beforehand they were running more vanilla
Plays and schemes.

I just thought it was an interesting nugget from the podcast yesterday.

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It went from plain vanilla to French Vanilla...

nate dizzle said:

Not a great player. Doesn't make him a liar.

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Yeah, it does. He can't possibly know this.

Garrett cut him. He's bitter.

If he can blindly assassinate Garrett's character, then I can easily do the same to him.

Nothing new. It was obvious at the time Phillips was stabbed in the back.