S vs. CB

JeffInDC · Dec 12, 2019

What is the bigger need EARLY in the draft? I say S...…………………...skewer away.

MysteryIceGuro · Dec 12, 2019

Safety. Our CB's could be good if they learned to play the ball honestly. Awuzie and Brown were attacked constantly and could have plenty of interceptions if they play the ball. That is changed with coaching. They have potential to be good CB's.

Our safeties are just backups at best. We need new ones. I see no potential from Woods or Heath to grow into a great safety like Jamal Adams or Thornhill.

KingintheNorth · Dec 12, 2019

Byron Jones departure kind of bumps up the need for CB, but we have needed a talent infusion at S for a decade.

exciter · Dec 12, 2019

AmariChill said:
Safety. Our CB's could be good if they learned to play the ball honestly. Awuzie and Brown were attacked constantly and could have plenty of interceptions if they play the ball. That is changed with coaching. They have potential to be good CB's.

Our safeties are just backups at best. We need new ones. I see no potential from Woods or Heath to grow into a great safety like Jamal Adams or Thornhill.

Are Adam's and Thornhill great safety's now? Adam's is a good "in the box" safety who tackles wll but based on his draft position 2 ints in almost 3 seasons, and repeated rumors of them wanting to move him indicate border line bust.... they could have got the same thing in Von Bell in the 2nd. Thornhill has had some nice plays and looks like he should be really good but has been torched on occasion. If talking about a young safety who is emerging as being great I'd look at Marcus Williams... he now has 10 ints in just under 3 seasons and according to the Saints radio crew they won't be able to keep him after next season if they keep Bell!

CF74 · Dec 12, 2019

1-Tech
Safety
Everything else

MysteryIceGuro · Dec 12, 2019

exciter said:
Are Adam's and Thornhill great safety's now? Adam's is a good "in the box" safety who tackles wll but based on his draft position 2 ints in almost 3 seasons, and repeated rumors of them wanting to move him indicate border line bust.... they could have got the same thing in Von Bell in the 2nd. Thornhill has had some nice plays and looks like he should be really good but has been torched on occasion. If talking about a young safety who is emerging as being great I'd look at Marcus Williams... he now has 10 ints in just under 3 seasons and according to the Saints radio crew they won't be able to keep him after next season if they keep Bell!

They’re 10x than anything we have here in Dallas!

exciter · Dec 12, 2019

AmariChill said:
They’re 10x than anything we have here in Dallas!

Eh, Adam's gives me visions of a Roy Williams redo except with a huge contract!

conner01 · Dec 12, 2019

The best player available at either of those works

bornafan1981 · Dec 13, 2019

exciter said:
Are Adam's and Thornhill great safety's now? Adam's is a good "in the box" safety who tackles wll but based on his draft position 2 ints in almost 3 seasons, and repeated rumors of them wanting to move him indicate border line bust.... they could have got the same thing in Von Bell in the 2nd. Thornhill has had some nice plays and looks like he should be really good but has been torched on occasion. If talking about a young safety who is emerging as being great I'd look at Marcus Williams... he now has 10 ints in just under 3 seasons and according to the Saints radio crew they won't be able to keep him after next season if they keep Bell!

Adams had been getting shuffled around the secondary like Byron was, leading to him wanting to be moved. It seems the staff has finally realized hes best a ss in their system, after trying to force him into fs.

Future · Dec 13, 2019

Depends what kind of defense you're going to run. With the dumb soft coverages we play, I wouldn't draft either.

The Cowboys have more than enough secondary talent right now to be a lot better than they are.

Future · Dec 13, 2019

bornafan1981 said:
Adams had been getting shuffled around the secondary like Byron was, leading to him wanting to be moved. It seems the staff has finally realized hes best a ss in their system, after trying to force him into fs.

That's because a box safety is irrelevant in the NFL. You can either cover, or you don't matter.

bornafan1981 · Dec 13, 2019

Future said:
That's because a box safety is irrelevant in the NFL. You can either cover, or you don't matter.

Unless you make an impact with 6.5 sacks, 6 pass break ups, 1 td and 2 ff.

Future · Dec 13, 2019

bornafan1981 said:
Unless you make an impact with 6.5 sacks, 6 pass break ups, 1 td and 2 ff.

If we are talking about DB impact and it doesn't start with coverage, we're talking about a non-impact DB.

Nobody should care about how many sacks Jamal Adams has, it is completely useless information. If he's blitzing so much that he's racking up those numbers, it's to hide the fact that he's not particularly good in coverage.

Avery · Dec 13, 2019

Delpit's the only safety I would draft in round one. CB will probably have some more depth.

Best POY defensively is how I would draft this year. Some good interior line prospects and some linebackers that would pair with Smith/Leighton effectively.

Future · Dec 13, 2019

Avery said:
Delpit's the only safety I would draft in round one. CB will probably have some more depth.

Best POY defensively is how I would draft this year. Some good interior line prospects and some linebackers that would pair with Smith/Leighton effectively.

If they're going LBer, I hope it's with the idea that they're going to go a lot more 3-3-5 type nickel packages and blitzing a lot more. It could be a lot of fun if they draft, say, Simmons, and give some of those looks.

Quinn - Collins - DLaw - Simmons - Jaylon - LVE could be a lot of fun to watch on passing situations.

They don't have the coaches - or the chutzpah - to pull that off right now, but that's the only way I can see going after any type of LBer in the first.

Avery · Dec 13, 2019

Future said:
If they're going LBer, I hope it's with the idea that they're going to go a lot more 3-3-5 type nickel packages and blitzing a lot more. It could be a lot of fun if they draft, say, Simmons, and give some of those looks.

Quinn - Collins - DLaw - Simmons - Jaylon - LVE could be a lot of fun to watch on passing situations.

They don't have the coaches - or the chutzpah - to pull that off right now, but that's the only way I can see going after any type of LBer in the first.

Totally agree - I don't see us taking a LB that high when we've already spent a premium at the position and guys like Thomas/March have actually been okay this year (really hoping Gifford can contribute).

kskboys · Dec 13, 2019

Avery said:
Totally agree - I don't see us taking a LB that high when we've already spent a premium at the position and guys like Thomas/March have actually been okay this year (really hoping Gifford can contribute).

If we take a LB early, that means we screwed up so badly maybe it is time to start over.

exciter · Dec 13, 2019

bornafan1981 said:
Adams had been getting shuffled around the secondary like Byron was, leading to him wanting to be moved. It seems the staff has finally realized hes best a ss in their system, after trying to force him into fs.

Why would the put him at fs when they specifically took Marcus Maye in the 2nd round to play that position?

bornafan1981 · Dec 13, 2019

exciter said:
Why would the put him at fs when they specifically took Marcus Maye in the 2nd round to play that position?

Maye missed 10 games last year
Gregg Williams likes his guys to be "scheme versatile"
1 reason Adams was upset was how he was being used. Majority of time dropping back in zone coverage.

LACowboysFan1 · Dec 13, 2019

Just saw Janorius Jenkins has been cut by the Giants, called someone an "offensive" name. Can't put it here, will get censored, but it wasn't a racist or homophobic name, seems to be a bit of an extreme action by the Giants, but he's 31 years old, sort of fits in with their rebuilding currently.

He's injured at the moment but assuming he's able to recover fully, I'd be willing to take a flyer on him....

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