My Thoughts New Coaching Staff

LatinMind said:

how is that innacurate? Other than the example of Fox who else? Doesnt that fit the criteria as rarely? So many other coaches havent gotten that opportunity.

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*seems inaccurate. Meaning Im not going to research this but will try to respond off my admittedly faulty memory lol.

Fox, Coughlin, Reid, Edwards(x2?), meh I lied. Im thinking of how often the league recycles coaches BUT you may be correct because often times the better ones take a year or more off before coming back.

I did become genuinely curious and try to find a list, but couldn't. Still I think Rivera may be one of the more appealing fired coaches. Id have to put even odds on him getting another head coaching job next year.

xwalker said:

The new Head Coach should hire his staff.

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I guess.

but Jerry is the GM, and the GM hires/fires everyone. Players and coaches included.

CowboysWillRise said:

*seems inaccurate. Meaning Im not going to research this but will try to respond off my admittedly faulty memory lol.

Fox, Coughlin, Reid, Edwards(x2?), meh I lied. Im thinking of how often the league recycles coaches BUT you may be correct because often times the better ones take a year or more off before coming back.

I did become genuinely curious and try to find a list, but couldn't. Still I think Rivera may be one of the more appealing fired coaches. Id have to put even odds on him getting another head coaching job next year.

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Could happen but most likely wont. I really dont think he'll be in Dallas either.

I hope we get back to having a legit defense one of this years. People say we have a good defense but the only reason the defense was really good is because the offense kept them on the sideline lol

Bobhaze said:

That’s a good list. BUT- Whoever the next HC is here, I certainly hope he gets to select his own assistants and not have them handed to him.

If Urban Meyer is hired, (I doubt he agrees to come here) he will probably bring in a DC he either worked with himself or trusts through some other connection. Having an “All Star” staff of coordinators doesn’t necessarily make it a good staff.

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yeh, it's gonna be very significant for that new HC to hire the right guy to be DC. ..or else as bad as things are on defensive side now, we could take another two or three more steps back
with a selection of a poor DC.

That's really the leading reason why i'm fretting Lincoln Riley as the HC here and him bringing in his own choice as DC.
For all his shiny moments and accolades as a top offensive mind and achievements in grooming QBs, I have yet to see anything with his defensive hiring make impact
I wonder about Riley's overseer and judgement in that area. It's such that Sooners D' has remained a comical joke.

Even the better offensive minded HC's have to be successful in finding and hiring that necessary defensive hiring for that team to reach higher levels and compete much better.
- Saints Sean Peyton with Dennis Allen
- Rams Sean McVey with Wade Phillips
- Niners' Kyle Shanahan with Robert Saleh
- Ravens with Don Martindale
- Chiefs Reid with Steve Spagnola

of course with every ..and any coach; they have to have that much needed player personnel help to best achieve what they are trying to set out to do.
but it's so very critical that we get find and get that impact DC that can best get the very best out of the players the team provides .

glimmerman said:

This O-Line is built to zone block and I wish they would stay there. Moore will only improve when as OC when he has his own playbook. He is trying to call and tweek plays from JG index card of a playbook. This Defense needs a new scheme. We have some good players.

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I had thought just the opposite from what you're saying with the Garrett index card on Kellen Moore.
I thought it was Kellen trying to establish himself as the OC,.. experimenting trying to do this, trying to that, while trying to keep it exotic and moving.
I thought so much of his focus had his mind dwelling over here, while some other helpful tools, possibilities that could have better impact the game was left out, as Kellen was going
through his learning curve as the OC.

He's an inexperienced rookie novice in his first year. So he is gonna have his pluses and minuses.
He's gonna make some rookie mistakes as he goes thru his growing pains.
But you hope that Kellen will have more pluses vs minuses.

PLUSES:
-Overall Moore has brought a newer, better approach and changed the way we play offense for the better of the team.
- Because of his work as well as QB Jon Kitna, Dak’s game has shown much improvement, and for better part of year, we’ve been at the very top
or among the top as the leading NFL in total offense in yards.
- And at one time Dak was averaging 8.1 per attempt. (league avg. in 7" range)
- the offense seems flow and move at a faster pace, quicker huddle and getting the play out.
- Kellen has been more properly committed to running zeke near goal line vs passing away from it,
- He believes in pushing ball vertically downfield, he believes in giving opposing defenses various looks and various pre-snap movements,
and he’s creative in his pass designs.
- Offense taking more Over the top shots downfield than in past years.


But we’ve seen his MINUSES;
-Abandoning the run game when it seem successful earlier in game
-Too many RPO shotgun formations vs QB under center snap (for my liking)
-Stretches where explosive Pollard wasn’t involved in offense (until very late in season)
-Not knowing when to turn to running the ball, .. and when to keep successfully passing (ala Vikes game)
- Far too much Witten and far too less Jarwin.
-Questionable choices of plays to convert critical drives or sustaining drives
-De-emphasis on usually successful RB quick screens (ala zeke)
-The run game has slip and hasn’t been effective and a force this year – zeke continues long stretch without 100 yrd game rushing

quickccc said:

I had thought just the opposite from what you're saying with the Garrett index card on Kellen Moore.
I thought it was Kellen trying to establish himself as the OC,.. experimenting trying to do this, trying to that, while trying to keep it exotic and moving.
I thought so much of his focus had his mind dwelling over here, while some other helpful tools, possibilities that could have better impact the game was left out, as Kellen was going
through his learning curve as the OC.

He's an inexperienced rookie novice in his first year. So he is gonna have his pluses and minuses.
He's gonna make some rookie mistakes as he goes thru his growing pains.
But you hope that Kellen will have more pluses vs minuses.

PLUSES:
-Overall Moore has brought a newer, better approach and changed the way we play offense for the better of the team.
- Because of his work as well as QB Jon Kitna, Dak’s game has shown much improvement, and for better part of year, we’ve been at the very top
or among the top as the leading NFL in total offense in yards.
- And at one time Dak was averaging 8.1 per attempt. (league avg. in 7" range)
- the offense seems flow and move at a faster pace, quicker huddle and getting the play out.
- Kellen has been more properly committed to running zeke near goal line vs passing away from it,
- He believes in pushing ball vertically downfield, he believes in giving opposing defenses various looks and various pre-snap movements,
and he’s creative in his pass designs.
- Offense taking more Over the top shots downfield than in past years.


But we’ve seen his MINUSES;
-Abandoning the run game when it seem successful earlier in game
-Too many RPO shotgun formations vs QB under center snap (for my liking)
-Stretches where explosive Pollard wasn’t involved in offense (until very late in season)
-Not knowing when to turn to running the ball, .. and when to keep successfully passing (ala Vikes game)
- Far too much Witten and far too less Jarwin.
-Questionable choices of plays to convert critical drives or sustaining drives
-De-emphasis on usually successful RB quick screens (ala zeke)
-The run game has slip and hasn’t been effective and a force this year – zeke continues long stretch without 100 yrd game rushing

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I don’t like the abandoning the run game. And this has happened before in the JG era. Makes me wonder if it’s Moore being a OC and a QB or if it’s JG in his ear who was also a QB.

glimmerman said:

I don’t like the abandoning the run game.
And this has happened before in the JG era. Makes me wonder if it’s Moore being a OC and a QB or if it’s JG in his ear who was also a QB.

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That's why I really believe if Garrett were a much better, competent game manager and overseer, he could have been a great help in Moore's development and inexperience.
We get to hear Miked Up' up sound bites from HC coaches on the sideline communicating with their coaches at periods and stretches of the game.and suggesting their input
and suggestions in the game. Especially the OC play caller.

But Garrett seems so focused on not screwing it up on his part, that he leaves it all up on his assistants to fix their own problems.
An example of Garrett's shortcoming as a game manager was the Chaz Green/ATL disaster.

He was freed up from play caller to better oversee and coach-manage all areas of the game. all areas of the team.
And he never responded and seem like he didn't have a clue of how to respond and adjust.

quickccc said:

That's why I really believe if Garrett were a much better, competent game manager and overseer, he could have been a great help in Moore's development and inexperience.
We get to hear Miked Up' up sound bites from HC coaches on the sideline communicating with their coaches at periods and stretches of the game.and suggesting their input
and suggestions in the game. Especially the OC play caller.

But Garrett seems so focused on not screwing it up on his part, that he leaves it all up on his assistants to fix their own problems.
An example of Garrett's shortcoming as a game manager was the Chaz Green/ATL disaster.

He was freed up from play caller to better oversee and coach-manage all areas of the game. all areas of the team.
And he never responded and seem like he didn't have a clue of how to respond and adjust.

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He has never known to adjust. JG is just about the 90’s team of beat the guy across from you and execute and you don’t need a game plan. He played conservative on 4th down until it pretty much cost us a game, then JJ got on him and now he goes for it most every one. JJ took every responsibility away except calling time outs and challenges. Or rather to go for the extra point of 2 point conversion. I wonder how much a new HC can be effective if JJ does the same thing to him.

xwalker said:

Dak has greatly improved this season despite the team results being worse. Moore/Kitna have been a good fit with Dak.

Moore does not have enough experience to really run the overall offense this season but he works well with Dak. Urban Meyer has developed a long list of young OCs into top coaches and many are now college Head Coaches.

Garrett has developed zero assistant coaches.

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xwalker---- what is your view of why the change in offense..meaning...start of the year we had a lot of pre-snap motion and misdirection etc...but all of that seems to have evaporated....is this because of Moore?

CATCH17 said:

Yep..

Completely clean house please.

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he did catch it...and i believe it was a TD...because ball was moving and not until he crossed goal line did he have firm possession...but ball did not touch the ground at any point...i have watched that video in slow motion over a 100 times

GORICO said:

xwalker---- what is your view of why the change in offense..meaning...start of the year we had a lot of pre-snap motion and misdirection etc...but all of that seems to have evaporated....is this because of Moore?

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Garrett.

DuncanIso said:

I guess.

but Jerry is the GM, and the GM hires/fires everyone. Players and coaches included.

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Jimmy and Parcells hired/fired without interference from Jerry. That included people in the scouting dept as well as coaches.

Parcells fired longtime personal friend of Jerry (Larry Lacewell). Jerry probably kept paying him but Lacewell was out of the scouting dept.

Stephen Jones is now the acting GM. The only decision we have not seen be made by Stephen since he took over running football operations with regards to the Head Coach; although it does appear that he set it up such that Jerry would not resist dumping Garrett unless they went to the Super Bowl.

The open press conference of training camp showed that Jerry's mindset had changed with regards to Garrett. I've never seen the equivalent of a no comment by Jerry until he did it in that press conference.

I'm not worried about Jerry interfering with a new HC.

I'm just worried about hiring the right guy. It is harder when the team remains in contention. They can't put as much focus on finding a new HC until they fire Garrett. Many HC candidates won't discuss taking a job until the existing HC has been fired.

xwalker said:

I think my preference is:

HC: Urban Meyer

DC: Maybe a veteran NFL DC (Ron Rivera...).
Somebody that can run a Hybrid 4-3 & 3-4 would be great but it has to be fundamentally sound, not that mess Rob Ryan tried to run. The Pats run a hybrid but switch back and forth on their base over the years based on their roster and possibly on how offenses are trending. They changed their base 4-3 in the Super Bowl to counter the specifics of the Rams blocking scheme. They've gone back to more 3-4 this year on 1st downs and short yardage but other downs are a hybrid.

OC: Meyer's choice from the college ranks. If his preferred choices are not available I think Kellen Moore with an HC like Meyer can become a good OC. I'm near-100% certain that Moore will be a top OC someday, somewhere but he needed a better HC as a rookie OC.

OL Coach: An extremely critical hire unless the new OC (like Shannahan in SF) is a master of OL schemes (specifically the ZBS). Columbo is good at coaching individual technique but he played in a man blocking scheme and is now trying to coach the ZBS.

If a new Head Coach just takes over the existing coaching staff, then it will likely fail.

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The more i'm becoming infatuated with the Urban Meyer as Cowboys HC possibility, the more I'm also wanting to keep Kellen Moore around as Meyer's OC.
But of course that will be completely up to Meyer. But another thought I have ( and concern with) is Meyer's long term here as HC.


He's had past health issues that apparently caused him to step down and retire immediately. I read one article that said uncomfortable headaches were a cause in his failing health issues.
that's scary enough.

But not only with Kellen Moore remaining will continue to be a Dak progress continuation,
- not only does Kellen seem like a young, very bright X’s and O’s offensive designer himself, and creative enough to keep giving defenses various looks
- But should Meyer so unfortunately has to abruptly retire – Moore who may be a capable HC down the road could take over immediately.

- I really love the concept of the pre-snap motion and misdirection various looks as it seems similar to the Rams and Niners schematics, and wish I can keep any coaches
that are the major contributors to this style of offense.

- And the more I think about it, the more I’m on very much board with getting Meyer’s version of zone blocking OL schemes into Cowboys OL.
I agree it does seem more geared to man up power blocking than the zone trap and pull that we ran more under Frank Pollack.
One of the biggest keys is getting that quick hole hitting splash plays back into the run game, instead of primary up the middle power game that has been too methodical
and doesn't seem geared to spring backs into the 2nd level of defenders ( these poor blocking TEs need to be upgraded and replaced too)

This is the first time that I’m considering if we may need to replace Columbo IF he is not capable of adapting to the zone blocking scheme Meyer prefers.

xwalker said:

Jimmy and Parcells hired/fired without interference from Jerry. That included people in the scouting dept as well as coaches.

Parcells fired longtime personal friend of Jerry (Larry Lacewell). Jerry probably kept paying him but Lacewell was out of the scouting dept.

Stephen Jones is now the acting GM. The only decision we have not seen be made by Stephen since he took over running football operations with regards to the Head Coach; although it does appear that he set it up such that Jerry would not resist dumping Garrett unless they went to the Super Bowl.

The open press conference of training camp showed that Jerry's mindset had changed with regards to Garrett. I've never seen the equivalent of a no comment by Jerry until he did it in that press conference.

I'm not worried about Jerry interfering with a new HC.

I'm just worried about hiring the right guy. It is harder when the team remains in contention. They can't put as much focus on finding a new HC until they fire Garrett. Many HC candidates won't discuss taking a job until the existing HC has been fired.

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I admit that I am worried about that area of Jerry,.. in regards to him possibly insisting on keeping certain coaches, .particularly DL coach Rod Marinelli who I've heard several key Cowboys
members constantly bragging and hyping the great Marinelli, and it's not just coaches and management, as this stigma has leaked into media and fan base

" how he can make magic outta scrub players,... how he manages to get the very best out of players,... how he is so relentless and wants non-stop motor effort,..
.... how he is such a great motivator and tactician how " we are so lucky to have him" ..... how is supposed to be one of the very best DL coaches and defensive minds around the NFL , etc,.. etc, .etc.

if anything , anyone that has to be replaced and upgraded for this team to have any chance of significantly getting a lot better, ..we just have to get rid of both Garrett and Rod Marinelli .

my new coaching staff is power excell

AbeBeta said:

This isn't someone who lasted 2 years in his first HC job. He's taken a team to the Super Bowl and won coach of the year twice.

Coaches of this stature don't routinely come free - often those that don't get another job immediately choose to take a year off as they are still getting their HC salary.

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Ron Rivera would make a good H.C. not only a defensive coordinator

xwalker said:

I think my preference is:

HC: Urban Meyer

DC: Maybe a veteran NFL DC (Ron Rivera...).
Somebody that can run a Hybrid 4-3 & 3-4 would be great but it has to be fundamentally sound, not that mess Rob Ryan tried to run. The Pats run a hybrid but switch back and forth on their base over the years based on their roster and possibly on how offenses are trending. They changed their base 4-3 in the Super Bowl to counter the specifics of the Rams blocking scheme. They've gone back to more 3-4 this year on 1st downs and short yardage but other downs are a hybrid.

OC: Meyer's choice from the college ranks. If his preferred choices are not available I think Kellen Moore with an HC like Meyer can become a good OC. I'm near-100% certain that Moore will be a top OC someday, somewhere but he needed a better HC as a rookie OC.

OL Coach: An extremely critical hire unless the new OC (like Shannahan in SF) is a master of OL schemes (specifically the ZBS). Columbo is good at coaching individual technique but he played in a man blocking scheme and is now trying to coach the ZBS.

If a new Head Coach just takes over the existing coaching staff, then it will likely fail.

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You still forgot to mention Xavier Su’a Filo > Connor Williams.

Dak_Attack_09 said:

You still forgot to mention Xavier Su’a Filo > Connor Williams.

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It has become a comedy routine with you.

At least quit posting videos from the preseason...

CW was hands down better than XSF IFFF you watch all plays in each game.

I do like XSF as a backup that is on a bargain contract.

There were games where CW played better than La'el and was on par with Frederick who has not been himself this season.

quickccc said:

I admit that I am worried about that area of Jerry,.. in regards to him possibly insisting on keeping certain coaches, .particularly DL coach Rod Marinelli who I've heard several key Cowboys
members constantly bragging and hyping the great Marinelli, and it's not just coaches and management, as this stigma has leaked into media and fan base

" how he can make magic outta scrub players,... how he manages to get the very best out of players,... how he is so relentless and wants non-stop motor effort,..
.... how he is such a great motivator and tactician how " we are so lucky to have him" ..... how is supposed to be one of the very best DL coaches and defensive minds around the NFL , etc,.. etc, .etc.

if anything , anyone that has to be replaced and upgraded for this team to have any chance of significantly getting a lot better, ..we just have to get rid of both Garrett and Rod Marinelli .

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Marinelli is all that. However, he is absolutely awful at personnel.