Would you sign Dak for 5-years, $175 million?

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Im still waiting on you stating that 2017 wasnt ages ago but 2016 was. Its amazing how you forgot that post. I never once said cooper was a slug. I think they need eachother. You just cant admit that because that gives Dak a little bit of credit.

Oh boy now we have a transparent attempt to find common ground, coupled with a weak denial of an earlier opinion

I guess if you move the goalpost enough times you run out of places to move it. c:muttley:
 

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Cooper had 280 Yards in 8 games before coming to Dallas and having Dak as his QB. But Cooper made Dak better. LOL.

Phil you seem to be singing a different tune here. These aren't the words of a man who thinks Cooper and Dak both made each other better

What are we to make of this? Do we have any game film of you typing this post? Maybe that will explain it. :lmao:
 

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Like I've said before I have a problem paying anybody that kind of money but with that being said it's the going rate today or around there ? what I would like to see is what a new coach brings to this offense ? Prescott has made great strides under the direction of Kitna and the maturation process that's why I'm of the belief that we franchise have next year and really see if that clears up some of the issues he has? Even with a clean slate he has to get better with the decision-making in the pocket, he has come a long way with this we see it less often now and that would be a pretty good Payday for him with the franchise tag. With somewhere around the 50 million dollar range in endorsements I don't think he's hurting for money? And who knows he may command north of 40 million dollars if he can clear these issues up so it would be to his advantage? I'm not worried about what Jerry Jones has to pay him that's his problem if it's more. But there's a good argument here for paying him now and getting him at a bargain compared to what next couple years may bring
 

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Like I've said before I have a problem paying anybody that kind of money but with that being said it's the going rate today or around there ? what I would like to see is what a new coach brings to this offense ? Prescott has made great strides under the direction of Kitna and the maturation process that's why I'm of the belief that we franchise have next year and really see if that clears up some of the issues he has? Even with a clean slate he has to get better with the decision-making in the pocket, he has come a long way with this we see it less often now and that would be a pretty good Payday for him with the franchise tag. With somewhere around the 50 million dollar range in endorsements I don't think he's hurting for money? And who knows he may command north of 40 million dollars if he can clear these issues up so it would be to his advantage? I'm not worried about what Jerry Jones has to pay him that's his problem if it's more. But there's a good argument here for paying him now and getting him at a bargain compared to what next couple years may bring
Missed a couple lines there but I think you get the gist of it
 

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If you could sign Prescott for that cost today, would you do it or not?

Absolutely not. Unless you're suffering from some form of psychosis, the Cowboys aren't a playoff team. They can not make the playoffs without him too.
 

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Was Dez on the Cowboys roster in 2018?

Hmmm, that’s news to me.
You asked me if there were any receivers on the 2018 that were still on an NFL roster.

I gave you two examples of guys that are currently on a roster and producing pretty well

You gave me one - Beasley. Unless you're showing your agenda again and discounting the fact that Gallup was a rookie wwho was barely contributing at that time?

If you don’t like my answer that’s fine but you asked a specific question and I gave you a specific answer that fit your parameters. I’d you don’t want to accept it, That’s your frigging problem not mine

Your "friggin' problem is the agenda on clear display. Your intentional omissions betray it and you. You're not fooling anybody save for yourself.
 

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Personally, I think Dak would be a serial backup on any other team. He plays behind one of the best O lines in all of football and he only shines when conditions are perfect. I know a lot of you here won't agree with that, but I know what I see. Everything negative in his scouting reports are still on full display now, four years in. I'd give him a year with the new coaching staff just because, but I'd also look at bringing in some competition, regardless.
 

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You gave me one - Beasley. Unless you're showing your agenda again and discounting the fact that Gallup was a rookie wwho was barely contributing at that time?



Your "friggin' problem is the agenda on clear display. Your intentional omissions betray it and you. You're not fooling anybody save for yourself.

What "omissions"?

You blatantly said of the receivers who were on our team in 2018, "don't look for any of them on an NFL roster".

3 of them are currently on an NFL roster. I didn't even name Hurns because I agree with you he isn't real good. But fact is he's on an NFL roster.

You even claimed I "omitted" Dez and he wasn't even on the Cowboys roster in 2018. C'mon man. I'm getting blamed for not saying a guy was on our roster when he wasn't on our roster. This is comical

Either way it's not my job to name the guys who aren't on a roster. You said none of them were, when in fact 3 are. I merely pointed that out.

My agenda is exposing provably false statements and you and Phil are spouting them ad nauseum today
 

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What "omissions"?

You blatantly said of the receivers who were on our team in 2018, "don't look for any of them on an NFL roster".

3 of them are currently on an NFL roster. I didn't even name Hurns because I agree with you he isn't real good. But fact is he's on an NFL roster.

You even claimed I "omitted" Dez and he wasn't even on the Cowboys roster in 2018. C'mon man. I'm getting blamed for not saying a guy was on our roster when he wasn't on our roster. This is comical

Either way it's not my job to name the guys who aren't on a roster. You said none of them were, when in fact 3 are. I merely pointed that out.

My agenda is exposing provably false statements and you and Phil are spouting them ad nauseum today

Your agenda is cutting down Prescott and everything he's accomplished at every turn. You're exposed.

I'll repost my exact comments.

Do you want to give us the names of the receivers that Prescott did have prior to Cooper?

Hint:

Don't look for them on current NFL rosters.

I specifically asked for the names of Dak's receivers that you want to cite as his struggles. You cherry picked two while omitting the rest. And I will admit that Hurns is so irrelevant that I didn't realize he was still playing.

But the fact that yuh can't acknowledge it that the Cowboys receivers at the time were trash. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. But yuh go on and keep trying to put it all on him. And look bad.
 

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Your agenda is cutting down Prescott and everything he's accomplished at every turn. You're exposed.

I'll repost my exact comments.



I specifically asked for the names of Dak's receivers that you want to cite as his struggles. You cherry picked two while omitting the rest. And I will admit that Hurns is so irrelevant that I didn't realize he was still playing.

But the fact that yuh can't acknowledge it that the Cowboys receivers at the time were trash. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. But yuh go on and keep trying to put it all on him. And look bad.
Your agenda is cutting down Prescott and everything he's accomplished at every turn. You're exposed.

I'll repost my exact comments.



I specifically asked for the names of Dak's receivers that you want to cite as his struggles. You cherry picked two while omitting the rest. And I will admit that Hurns is so irrelevant that I didn't realize he was still playing.

But the fact that yuh can't acknowledge it that the Cowboys receivers at the time were trash. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it. But yuh go on and keep trying to put it all on him. And look bad.

So why didn't you merely say "I don't think our receivers in 2018 were as good as we needed". Why go so far as to say they were all so bad that none of them were in the league anymore? That doesn't smack of "agenda"?

Fact is 3 of them are still actively in the NFL and 2 of them are doing pretty well. Although I'm surprised we kept Gallup around, to hear you talk he was hideous as a rookie and contributed nothing. But, I digress

As for any alleged agenda, you don't have to try and guess where I stand on Dak. I think he's a horse**** quarterback and the sooner he's gone the better. We can agree to disagree on that as I understand and respect that you feel differently

But there isn't one single thing I've posted in support of my argument that isn't accurate. If it was you'd be complaining about me "lying" instead of having an "agenda" Your beef appears to be that I didn't make your case for you. That's not my job frankly. Be more careful with the "facts" you post if you don't want to be challenged on them
 

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Would you stop it.

Who are these players you are gutting now?
Where are you getting these guys you are using to rebuild?

Having a QB make 35m doesnt prevent anything. Not saying I want to pay 35m but it doesnt prevent anything.

This sounds like an emotional overreaction to not getting what you wanted.
Presently, only byron jones comes to mind. If dak and cooper are both signed then others might get the boot. But mostly backups.
 

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So why didn't you merely say "I don't think our receivers in 2018 were as good as we needed". Why go so far as to say they were all so bad that none of them were in the league anymore? That doesn't smack of "agenda"?

Not at all. Hyperbole? Guilty as charged. But you and I both know it was an understaffed bunch. The difference is that I can admit the obvious.

Fact is 3 of them are still actively in the NFL and 2 of them are doing pretty well. Although I'm surprised we kept Gallup around, to hear you talk he was hideous as a rookie and contributed nothing. But, I digress

No, to hear you talk he was "Pro Bowl from day one". Once again you agenda shows through.

As for any alleged agenda, you don't have to try and guess where I stand on Dak. I think he's a horse**** quarterback and the sooner he's gone the better. We can agree to disagree on that as I understand and respect that you feel differently

Fair enough. I can understand and respect a differing point of you, but I think you need to do better in making a case.

But there isn't one single thing I've posted in support of my argument that isn't accurate. If it was you'd be complaining about me "lying" instead of having an "agenda" Your beef appears to be that I didn't make your case for you. That's not my job frankly. Be more careful with the "facts" you post if you don't want to be challenged on them

I never claimed anything as "facts". Show me where I did? I'm guilty of using hyperbole in talking about those receivers last year. You're guilty of intentional omission.
 

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35M is what Russell Wilson makes. You guys need to chill out. Wentz is averaging only 26M per year over his entire contract extension for god sakes.

If you do the same math with Dak it works out to $29 million cause he is only making $2 million
Can I sign him & trade him to the Bengals for their 1st round pick in 2020 & 3rd round pick in 2021 &1st round pick in 2022. I would only sign him if I can trade him. He is incredibly overrated. The problem with doing 5 years at 17.5 million is that would mean he is my starting QB for the next 5 years. Even Prescott playing for free is not a good thing.

I do not want an average QB dragging down my team, my star WR's, my pro bowl RB, and my 4 pro bowl offensive lineman, & Blake Jarwin.

Dak is a pro bowl qb. And imo more likely to go to the Pro Bowl this year than Zeke.
 

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Not at all. Hyperbole? Guilty as charged. But you and I both know it was an understaffed bunch. The difference is that I can admit the obvious.



No, to hear you talk he was "Pro Bowl from day one". Once again you agenda shows through.



Fair enough. I can understand and respect a differing point of you, but I think you need to do better in making a case.



I never claimed anything as "facts". Show me where I did? I'm guilty of using hyperbole in talking about those receivers last year. You're guilty of intentional omission.

You're a feisty determined little prick, aren't you? Kind of remind me of myself back in my younger days. :thumbup:

Anyhow great debate and thanks for your time. Despite the fact we are very opposite on this particular issue I have a hunch if we ever got together for a beer we'd get along fine. Have a good night. Hope Dak and the boys serve me some crow against the Rams this weekend. I'm not optimistic.....
 

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You're a feisty determined little prick, aren't you? Kind of remind me of myself back in my younger days. :thumbup:

Anyhow great debate and thanks for your time. Despite the fact we are very opposite on this particular issue I have a hunch if we ever got together for a beer we'd get along fine. Have a good night. Hope Dak and the boys serve me some crow against the Rams this weekend. I'm not optimistic.....

On that we can agree, neither am I. We're getting embarrassed again!
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I feel as Garrett teams come up short against good teams, how can I believe the Qb should be blameless. I guess I went out and got old because I certainly don’t feel they should pay that kind of money.
 

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Now if we had some great young QB waiting in the wings, maybe not.

That's is the going rate for a top 10 QB. Especially a kid like Dak entering his prime and showed this year that all the clowns that said he couldn't be a quality passer didn't know anything about QB play.

You mean during garbage time when the other team defense is playing "prevent defense"?
 

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The new coach should have some say after a year of being tagged. If they are going to be a new coach, if not what is going to matter if it's more of the same? just wondering
 
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