Cowboys trying to be LA Rams

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Ironically the team that the Cowboys will be facing this Sunday, are the same team that the Cowboys
are currently trying to mimic in terms of how they run their offense.

McVey’s Rams offense is so predicated on so much pre-snap motion, misdirection, multi-formations and set designs – although the Cowboys already had the rhythm time based passing offense .

The Rams version is more modified and adds more confusion and hesitation and more misdirection than what was seen under the Linehan version.

Apparently Kellen not only knew the time based offense through his days with Linehan in Detroit.
But he knew how he could modify and add more variations to the time based offense, and it’s looking
so very much like how the Rams operate their McVey offense.

Garrett brought the time based offense he learned under Norv Turner back to Dallas when he came in as offensive coordinator but his version was also so old school similar to what he ran as a player in the 90’s version.

That’s all Garrett knew. And ironically to this very day, its also why Garrett has been/ still is so limited in how he can help and lead with this offense.

He's responsible for the basis of this time based offense that he brought to Cowboys in 2007, but
he's had to rely so heavily on Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore to alleviate that offense more what he
was able to do back when he was calling the plays.
He counts heavily on his OC’s to modify the offense because he himself is too limited.
 
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I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.

Kellen Moore would do something similar to the Rams. Jason Garrett wants no part of that, and undermines any efforts to get there by force-feeding the run, and failing to establish any sort of quick passing game.
 
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Future said:
I'm not sure I follow what you're saying.

Kellen Moore would do something similar to the Rams. Jason Garrett wants no part of that, and undermines any efforts to get there by force-feeding the run, and failing to establish any sort of quick passing game.
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No one was force feeding the run vs Buffalo and Chicago. Quite the opposite, really. Zeke had most of his carries on the opening drives of the game, both resulting in 7-0 leads. They went away from him, fell behind, then were forced to throw in desperation. That's not a winning formula, especially with the Cowboys defense.
 
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Kellen Moore is learning on the job...it was a bad decision to hire him. He changed the offense in bad ways, literally taking the power running game out of the playbook. Our line and Zeke are not finesse players. And Dak isn’t Steve Young/Drew Brees.
 
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quickccc said:
Ironically the team that the Cowboys will be facing this Sunday, are the same team that the Cowboys
are currently trying to mimic in terms of how they run their offense.

McVey’s Rams offense is so predicated on so much pre-snap motion, misdirection, multi-formations and set designs – although the Cowboys already had the rhythm time based passing offense .

The Rams version is more modified and adds more confusion and hesitation and more misdirection than what was seen under the Linehan version.

Apparently Kellen not only knew the time based offense through his days with Linehan in Detroit.
But he knew how he could modify and add more variations to the time based offense, and it’s looking
so very much like how the Rams operate their McVey offense.

Garrett brought the time based offense he learned under Norv Turner back to Dallas when he came in as offensive coordinator but his version was also so old school similar to what he ran as a player in the 90’s version.

That’s all Garrett knew. And ironically to this very day, its also why Garrett has been/ still is so limited in how he can help and lead with this offense.

He's responsible for the basis of this time based offense that he brought to Cowboys in 2007, but
he's had to rely so heavily on Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore to alleviate that offense more what he
was able to do back when he was calling the plays.
He counts heavily on his OC’s to modify the offense because he himself is too limited.
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A lot of people bring up Garrett as an OC in 2007. Garrett benefited greatly from having Tony Sparano here as the lead OC. Garrett on his own as OC has failed miserably. Thats why the offense took a nosedive after Tony went to the dolphins. Garrett didnt have someone to make him look good.
 

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ChronicCowboy said:
Kellen Moore is learning on the job...it was a bad decision to hire him. He changed the offense in bad ways, literally taking the power running game out of the playbook. Our line and Zeke are not finesse players. And Dak isn’t Steve Young/Drew Brees.
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And with Garrett as your mentor you're not going to learn much.
 
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Is this why he couldn’t adjust to that guy that had 7 sacks in one half?
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I think I saw a stat on TV that said Cowboys only won two games in past few years that they have led at halftime.
that alone definitely indicates his coaching staff simply does not make the proper in-game adjustments.
They do their work when they prepare for the start of a game - and that plan stays as such throughout the entire game.

Either they don't feel comfortable trying to make game adjustments, ..or they simply they don't know to make adjustments.
and that simply starts with the HC. and works it's way thru the rest of the staff.

and its long been a colossal failure with Garrett and his staff, and one of big reasons why we have underachieved under his leadership.
 
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The Cowboys don't know who they are or who they want to be. This is a clueless organization, and to suggest they are aware enough to try to emulate another team is laughable. We aren't even smart enough to scheme week to week, much less form a long term plan.
 
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All I know is that this offense has way to much talent to play this poorly. Stats are good, results not so much.
 
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I think the offense has been better under Moore, or at least it was, and the stats make that pretty clear. The plays are there. But the play-calling has been deficient in certain situations, especially in the red zone more recently. At this point it will be interesting to see if Jerry fire Garrett and hires a new coach, then allows that new coach to bring in his own people/. Or, does he force the new HC to keep Moore around.
 
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quickccc said:
Garrett brought the time based offense he learned under Norv Turner back to Dallas when he came in as offensive coordinator but his version was also so old school similar to what he ran as a player in the 90’s version. That’s all Garrett knew. And ironically to this very day, its also why Garrett has been/ still is so limited in how he can help and lead with this offense.

He's responsible for the basis of this time based offense that he brought to Cowboys in 2007, but he's had to rely so heavily on Scott Linehan, Kellen Moore to alleviate that offense more what he was able to do back when he was calling the plays.

He counts heavily on his OC’s to modify the offense because he himself is too limited.
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So Garrett sucks.

We already knew that.
 
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No one was force feeding the run vs Buffalo and Chicago. Quite the opposite, really. Zeke had most of his carries on the opening drives of the game, both resulting in 7-0 leads. They went away from him, fell behind, then were forced to throw in desperation. That's not a winning formula, especially with the Cowboys defense.
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They fell behind b/c they were force-feeding the run. Both of those opening TD drives were because of the passing game.

Building an offense around the running game is stupid in today's NFL. It's a recipe for disaster, because you will be consistently putting yourself behind the sticks. Jason Garrett doesn't understand this, and tries to establish the run, independent of what the defense is doing.
 
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phildadon86 said:
A lot of people bring up Garrett as an OC in 2007. Garrett benefited greatly from having Tony Sparano here as the lead OC. Garrett on his own as OC has failed miserably. Thats why the offense took a nosedive after Tony went to the dolphins. Garrett didnt have someone to make him look good.
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Garrett was the lead OC, but although Sparano was the OL coach but he had experience as an offensive assistant, and it is believed that he helped Garrett break in
as rookie OC in 2007 more easier.

As simplistic and non-game adjustment as Garrett was as a play caller after 2007, and it definitely didn't help matters when Jerry insist that Garrett ( now HC since firing Wade)
have dual roles as both HC and OC play caller.

Ironically Jerry did the very same thing to Wade Phillips when he was eventually forced to be both HC and DC (jerry insisting that Wade's DC Brian Stewart be replaced)
It was said that Jerry got the idea notion from one of his long time buddies (Al Davis or Joe Gibbs) and enforced that idea with his HCs,. until he finally woke up and realized
that was too problematic.
 
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