Chances of Garrett return

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Despite Jerry's "protests and proclamations", I can't see another team rushing to hire Garrett after watching him drive the Cowboys ship into the iceberg this year. Anyone objectively looking from the outside can see that this was always a Jerry Jones vanity project that never came to fruition. And no other team or owner would have been this patient this long (save for maybe Brown and the Bengals and look where their exceeding patience with Marvin Lewis got them?)

Garrett talks it better than he walks it, so maybe he has a future in broadcasting or administration if he wants it? But the fact is, head coach just isn't his thing and he should give up that dream. The guy conned Jones out of about $50 million so he should be set financially and not be forced to work again at all if he doesn't want to.

Fans of team will barrage the FOs with angry phone calls, like they did with the Rams when Spagnola got the job. Nobody respects Garrett, despite what his fans try and sell. The only reason the myth is kept alive is because of friends in high places.

It’s laughable to even think Giants fans want him or wouldn’t go livid. NFC East fans in particular are dying for us to keep Garrett.
 

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Cowboys fan says approximately 5-10 %
Jerry approximately 30-50%

Chances I remain Cowboys fan within next two years after being Cowboys fan more than 50 years is approximately 10-20%

Obviously these stats are not really known. But, it is evident that the Cowboys are stuck in a mediocre mindset.

Thoughts?


I would say that the chances of Garrett returning as HC of the Cowboys is about the same as Dallas reaching the NFC Championship game this year. I think Jerry fires him if he does not at least get to that level. I think the chances of the Cowboys getting to the NFC Championship are about 0.0001%. Garrett's time in Dallas is done. Jerry has been too outspoken and critical of the coaching staff. Everyone knows that Garrett will finish the season as HC and then his time with Dallas is done. The only question remaining is how many games do the Cowboys have left this year. How will the players perform for a lame duck coach? We are about to see how much pride these players have.
 

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Despite Jerry's "protests and proclamations", I can't see another team rushing to hire Garrett after watching him drive the Cowboys ship into the iceberg this year. Anyone objectively looking from the outside can see that this was always a Jerry Jones vanity project that never came to fruition. And no other team or owner would have been this patient this long (save for maybe Brown and the Bengals and look where their exceeding patience with Marvin Lewis got them?)

Garrett talks it better than he walks it, so maybe he has a future in broadcasting or administration if he wants it? But the fact is, head coach just isn't his thing and he should give up that dream. The guy conned Jones out of about $50 million so he should be set financially and not be forced to work again at all if he doesn't want to.
Depends on your viewpoint as another owner knowing what you do about how the team is run.

However, all of this swirling media storm around him can't be making him more attractive to an owner but he is handling it with composure and that will impress some. If he can guide this ship through the rough water and major distraction, that will not go unnoticed. Distractions on other teams are just that, they are something else with this franchise.

Don't you think Garrett would just like to snap at a pc and yell "you people have no idea what I've been dealing with for 10 years"!!!!!!!! But he won't and his image to us here is not his image to those other owners and GMs that know him far better than any of us. Hell, John Fox was fired, hired, fired and hired after being insulted and snubbed by his QB in DEN. He didn't stay out of work until that last firing by CHI.

If anyone can look at some of the HC's that these teams have hired in the past and think a guy that is all image and pc won't get offers, think again. The NFL recycles.
 

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Fans of team will barrage the FOs with angry phone calls, like they did with the Rams when Spagnola got the job. Nobody respects Garrett, despite what his fans try and sell. The only reason the myth is kept alive is because of friends in high places.

It’s laughable to even think Giants fans want him or wouldn’t go livid. NFC East fans in particular are dying for us to keep Garrett.

Exactly. He's the best thing to happen to the other NFC East teams since Jerry and Jimmy split. They're Garrett's biggest fans. As long as it's about him coaching the Cowboys!
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I think the chances are 0 because I think the decision was made before now and not just by the Joneses. Look at this media storm around him, think that's fun? Think he can go out in public?

Would this be like this on any other team except maybe the Pats because of his reputation, not the fact that the Cowboys are the media magnet by design.

I think Garrett has had behind the scenes discussion with at least one owner about giving up on this cluster and he will not be on the beach for long.
 

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Depends on your viewpoint as another owner knowing what you do about how the team is run.

However, all of this swirling media storm around him can't be making him more attractive to an owner but he is handling it with composure and that will impress some. If he can guide this ship through the rough water and major distraction, that will not go unnoticed. Distractions on other teams are just that, they are something else with this franchise.

Don't you think Garrett would just like to snap at a pc and yell "you people have no idea what I've been dealing with for 10 years"!!!!!!!! But he won't and his image to us here is not his image to those other owners and GMs that know him far better than any of us. Hell, John Fox was fired, hired, fired and hired after being insulted and snubbed by his QB in DEN. He didn't stay out of work until that last firing by CHI.

If anyone can look at some of the HC's that these teams have hired in the past and think a guy that is all image and pc won't get offers, think again. The NFL recycles.

Guys who gave won something get recycled, or those that were assistant coaches on winning teams get recycled. Garrett is neither.

And I'd ask you, can you name me the last NFL head coach that was immediately hired after his former team went off the rails like this one is?
 

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Cowboys nation could use some trimming. I've been noticing some fair-weather deadwood amongst the population that calls itself Cowboys fans for a few seasons. I say good riddance to all that decide to jump ship. You'll be back.
 

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If you assume that Dallas:

1) doesn't make the playoffs, or
2) makes the playoffs but wins 1 or less games

Then he is gone for sure. I'd say about 100%

It will get dicey if Dallas wins 2 playoffs games for the 1st time in 20+ years. But that's very unlikely
 

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Fans of team will barrage the FOs with angry phone calls, like they did with the Rams when Spagnola got the job. Nobody respects Garrett, despite what his fans try and sell. The only reason the myth is kept alive is because of friends in high places.

It’s laughable to even think Giants fans want him or wouldn’t go livid. NFC East fans in particular are dying for us to keep Garrett.
Owners don't care about the fans, especially Mara. They were up in arms when Parcells left because of Young and they sided with Young. The DET fans had to stop buying tickets to get the Fords to fire Millen. How many years did we see the Aints fans with paper bags? They do not care unless they are forced to care. The fans are sheep to be fleeced.

Those friends in high places matter a hell of a lot more to him than any of the fans, they matter, the fans do not. He's an image, the image the owners like, cool, controlled and the fact that he keeps that cool with an idiotic motor mouthed owner makes him even more desirable.

Garrett reminds me of the guy ATT hired as their CEO years ago and is the reason those golden parachutes aren't as prevalent as they used to be. He was available because he'd just finished burying one company and they hired him and as they began to see why he was available, they fired him after one year and had to give him 20M walk away money.

Take a good look at the guys these owners hire and consider an industry with 20-25% turnover every single year and this year might be higher. They hire one because they have to and accept the fact that they will most likely have to hire another within 3-5 years. What has any owner got to lose with hiring a good HC at handling the media, he's a helluva politician.
 

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If there is any truth to the rumor that they have reached out to other coaches, then its a done deal.

The reason Garrett hasnt been fired is because they want playoff money, and they have no confidence in Moore or Richard to get them to the playoffs this year as an interm
 

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If you assume that Dallas:

1) doesn't make the playoffs, or
2) makes the playoffs but wins 1 or less games

Then he is gone for sure. I'd say about 100%

It will get dicey if Dallas wins 2 playoffs games for the 1st time in 20+ years. But that's very unlikely
How much stock do you put in the rumors abour the Giants. I think if they are true and Garrett's camp is leaking that than he is gone no matter how far he gets.
 

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Cowboys fan says approximately 5-10 %
Jerry approximately 30-50%

Chances I remain Cowboys fan within next two years after being Cowboys fan more than 50 years is approximately 10-20%

Obviously these stats are not really known. But, it is evident that the Cowboys are stuck in a mediocre mindset.

Thoughts?

Let me understand your rationale here if I can possibly do that.. So Jerry makes it known he isn't extending the ginger puppet and this is a make it or break it year! Garrett has had a horrible year and has lost the team but you stand here to tell me that Garrett is giving him a 30-50% chance of returning at this point? You must have some good stuff in your vape pipe.
 

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Guys who gave won something get recycled, or those that were assistant coaches on winning teams get recycled. Garrett is neither.

And I'd ask you, can you name me the last NFL head coach that was immediately hired after his former team went off the rails like this one is?
It is not off the rails yet and if it ends up 7-9, that's not off the rails by NFL standards.

stash, there's a Garrett none of us know. He's that guy the owners know from the meetings, the networker, and they know who he works for and many also knew Parcells and know the Cowboys were his worst stop and he couldn;t get beyond .500. Garrett will get, form at least one owner, what few here are willing to give himn, the benefit of the doubt.

Everyone here just take a moment and consider one fact as I can guarantee you that every GM and owner in the NFL has done. Garrett was going into the last year of his contract and an inexperienced OC was forced on him, with a resounding stamp of approval from the loud mouthed owner, after embarrassing him publicly about the OC he thought he would have for his last year. Who does that? You think they're looking at Garrett as the problem here?

I am neither Garrett fan nor defender but I have watched how the NFL operates and the owners have watched how Booger operates. Through all of this 24 year exercise in futilty, what's the only constant?

Anyone that thinks he won;t get at least one offer needs to read The Peter Principle. It's real, I have personally witnessed it more times than I'd like to admit. It's all about failing up the ladder.
 

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How much stock do you put in the rumors abour the Giants. I think if they are true and Garrett's camp is leaking that than he is gone no matter how far he gets.
I think that started when Mara heard Booger was not extending Garrett. They've got a young QB that needs grooming and a hot young QB and Garrett had the yardage leader 2 of the last 3 years so he understands Giants foorball.
 

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If Garrett manages to back into a playoff spot its very likely Jerry uses that as an excuse to retain that moron. And like others have said, if that happens I'm finding something else to do on Sundays.

Same here. If he's back I will not be interested in the product until he is gone. I may not watch anymore if I find a better hobby.
 

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If you assume that Dallas:

1) doesn't make the playoffs, or
2) makes the playoffs but wins 1 or less games

Then he is gone for sure. I'd say about 100%

It will get dicey if Dallas wins 2 playoffs games for the 1st time in 20+ years. But that's very unlikely
Agree but what we know of Booger and his ego, that would give him the opportunity for him to play the told ya so card to the media and he cares more about the media than any owner of any sports team in history.

I believed him when he said "comfortable" was how he felt about Garrett and that is his greatest fear in replacing him. He knows Garrett will not tuen on him and will even fall on his own sword as he did with that Linehan embarrassment. Booger will look for any opportunity to keep Garrett but I have doubts about how much Garrett wants to stay. He's not a circus performer so that gets tiresome, although he's got that monkey with the cymbals act down pretty good.

I don't know what these posters are all about rattling their sabers if Garrett stays. "I'm done". I don't think so but it feels good to say it.
 

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as long as Jerry is the one making the call...55/45 he stays...depends on the rest of the season.
it "feels" like Garrett won't be back...but I dont trust this f/o...particularly Jerry.
ANYTHING could happen.
 

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Cowboys fan says approximately 5-10 %
Jerry approximately 30-50%

Chances I remain Cowboys fan within next two years after being Cowboys fan more than 50 years is approximately 10-20%

Obviously these stats are not really known. But, it is evident that the Cowboys are stuck in a mediocre mindset.

Thoughts?
Zilch! The Garrett era is over.
 

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Garrett isn't coming back unless the Cowboys get to the Super Bowl, and that'd be a good problem to have.
 
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