The first requirement of the HC of the DC

CouchCoach · Dec 14, 2019

Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

CPanther95 · Dec 14, 2019

When teams know you can only beat them with your running game, it's not as difficult to increase your pass ranking.

Ranched · Dec 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

big dog cowboy · Dec 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett,

We do. All day.

Gaede · Dec 14, 2019

This is how we ended up with Garrett as HC.

cowboyblue22 · Dec 14, 2019

i want him gone just like every body else leave no here that has been here wipe the slate clean and start out fresh stats and ranking don't matter the team record is the only think that counts and its 6 wins and 7 seven losses right now and looks like more coming there way

Ron12 · Dec 14, 2019

The first thing the new HC of the DC will have to do is put up with the meddling of JJ !

johneric8 · Dec 14, 2019

You know dam well what the problem is. Forget Jerry and his meddling ways for a second, because the last time I checked he is always sitting up in his suite red faced while Garrett does nothing to help our team. Our preparation and philosophies are horrible, the team chemistry is bad because guys get forced playing time. The defensive stats are misleading in many ways and we don't get turnovers, but the real issue is Garrett has really never coached this team up, nor provided consistency. We've all seen teams get better overnight because of a coaching philosophy and we've always seen them get worse, but if you look at these crazy stats this screams horrible coaching and a lack of direction that would enable consistency.

ESisback · Dec 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

It IS quite puzzling, but yeah, I’d rather keep Moore and get a defense minded coach like Riveria or Belichick.

The 6-7 record, despite the great stats? I always say it’s a combination of a crapload of little things—poor in game adjustments by the coaches, injuries, penalties that ALWAYS seem to pop up at the EXACT wrong time, and the simple fact that a few of our guys ARE overrated. Death by a thousand cuts. We’ll go through the best defenses like a hot knife through butter, but when we get to the RZ, we seem to slow down and get very predictable, almost like it’s part of a script. Now I know that’ll bring Marcus running, scoff machine cranked to ten, but damnitall, the only other alternative is Garrett or someone close to Garrett is sabotaging us. If we end up running the table and doing a deep playoff run, you’d probably have to convince me something screwy WASN’T going on.

While I’m not happy with our antiquated gap scheme and lack of turnovers on defense, as well as our obviously ordinary players at DT and S, I believe a handful of plays could get us over the hump.

charron · Dec 14, 2019

what's wrong with the team is Jerry Jones try to put newer inexperienced up and coming coaches behind some really good players thinking they would keep going in with their progression and instead those units have all suffered every single one of them the offensive line the linebackers they do not have the coaching they need to get back to where they were even last year and the year before. Special teams has been a joke as well these guys are being under coached by their position coaches and Garrett is not the X's and O's guy who can go in and make up that difference he's the type of coach who needs good positional coaches to do to be able to do their job and they are not in any way. the problem will continue to next year and less Jerry let's the next head coach pick his own staff and he needs to encourage at coach to fire his staff when need be and get somebody in their new or do whatever they need to but right now he doesn't let Garrett do that.

CATCH17 · Dec 14, 2019

That is not the way to start out..

We made this mistake with Wade Phillips..

blueblood70 · Dec 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

nope you cant expect to force KM on the new staff..if they CHOOSE not get a demand by Jerry. then im ok with it..we have to stop the vicious circle of switching out parts each time things are changed with coaches//we have been frankensteined to death since wade..no more holdovers from he old staff unless its 100% the wish of the new HC..

period end of story.. least we forget the end of the MN game and abandoning zeke when hes hot.. im sorry but a new OC will have virtually the same players to work with and can figure out a way to have them as successful..

keeping one coach is like only changing 3 of 4 old tires ona car, it wont ride right and they will always be be changed at different intervals..

nope pull the band aide, move on..

Whyjerry · Dec 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

I agree with this. For a 30 year old first time OC with Garrett on his back Moore has done a good job. I think he has good rapport with Dak as well. I would be in favor. EVERYONE else must go.

LatinMind · Dec 14, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

This is what i mean by fans talking out both ends. They critique the coaching the culture the game planning the scheme the accountability, Jones stepping on toes, coaches being puppets. But want to force a assistant coach on a new incoming coach.

Dont criticize Jerry if youre going to be in favor of doing what you critique him for.

Moore's offense if thats really true has alot of empty yrds. And what i mean about empty yrds is a whole lot of yrds without coming up with points. From the 20 to the 20 they can move the ball better then anybody in the NFL. The play calling in the redzone is the worst in the NFL. This is why you change him out too.

TheMarathonContinues · Dec 14, 2019

This defeats the whole purpose of what we are trying to change. A head coach should hire his own staff. If he wants Moore then so be it. But that’s not Jerry’s decision. You guys are enabling the same consistent behavior that’s lead to 20 years of misery.

Fletch · Dec 14, 2019

big dog cowboy said:
We do. All day.

I feel that the stats the OP presented, and the question, (how can this be a 6-7 team?) is a direct indictment of Garrett’s overall leadership, or lack there of.

Like it’s been said many times in here, Garrett manages well during the week, but come game day it’s every man for himself with no accountability.

I didn’t want to believe that for the longest, but it has happened for too long for it not to be true. Garrett is a good dude, but needs a change of scenery. Maybe that’s with another team, or a move to college.

Vtwin · Dec 14, 2019

When it is all said and done I want to see the stats split, first 8 games and second 8 games. I don't think these lofty rankings will be the same over the second 8 games.

I'd be very surprised if Moore is not forced on the next HC which would be a mistake. The new HC has to have complete control over his staff and every major player on the coaching staff should be new and uncomfortable for the players.

The new HC has to be above all else an in your face, hands on motivator with a clear direction and a big voice with some skins on the wall to back it up.

darthseinfeld · Dec 14, 2019

If they were that high in Moore, they would fired Garrett and been comfortable making Moore the interm. They dont feel their assistance have earned even an interm HC position

darthseinfeld · Dec 14, 2019

Vtwin said:
When it is all said and done I want to see the stats split, first 8 games and second 8 games. I don't think these lofty rankings will be the same over the second 8 games.

I'd be very surprised if Moore is not forced on the next HC which would be a mistake. The new HC has to have complete control over his staff and every major player on the coaching staff should be new and uncomfortable for the players.

The new HC has to be above all else an in your face, hands on motivator with a clear direction and a big voice with some skins on the wall to back it up.

I dont think Moore will be forced on a new staff, but I do think there is a possibility Moore may be retained for a year. Its pretty common for a new staff to retain one or two coachs from the staff initially.

If its Meyer, I think it will be Kevin Wilson or Moore for a year. Could be someone else I haven't though, but alot of Meyer's OC's are HC's at college programs right now

cern · Dec 14, 2019

The defense stinks. That can be fixed by a new dc. The defense is still the responsibility of the hc. He can fire poor coaches but loves Rod like he did scott. That's not doing what's best for the team. So I do blame Garrett for our failings for years. Hard work isn't worth jack if it's incompetent. I want an offensive minded coach who brings in a good dc.

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