The first requirement of the HC of the DC

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CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.
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I think the stats are because they aren’t playing as a team. When the Defense does there job then the Offense puts up good stats but not enough of the one that counts and that’s points.

Even when the Defense is sucking the Offense puts up stats. But stalled drives kill this team. They try to turn it on after the game gets away from them. Not many games we get blown out. The score sometimes is closer than it looks on the field. Our ST is the worst I have ever seen and JG and the FO just look past it and does nothing.

Last few games have confused me. They come out with a dominate first drive and then pack it in like its week 2 of the preseason.

They are not finishing. They get Elliot cranked up and abandon it as soon as they are down by a point. No complete game. Maybe Moore has yet to be able to call a balanced or complete game. He may be afraid to blow it by being to aggressive throughout a whole game. He gets conservative to the point that it looks like JG is influencing it. Linehan used to have the problem with abandoning the run also. I haven’t looked to see if JG is talking to Moore during the game.

If the team stuck with the run and stop the drive ending penalties and let Dak run some of these balls himself we may have something.
 
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blueblood70 said:
nope you cant expect to force KM on the new staff..if they CHOOSE not get a demand by Jerry. then im ok with it..we have to stop the vicious circle of switching out parts each time things are changed with coaches//we have been frankensteined to death since wade..no more holdovers from he old staff unless its 100% the wish of the new HC..

period end of story.. least we forget the end of the MN game and abandoning zeke when hes hot.. im sorry but a new OC will have virtually the same players to work with and can figure out a way to have them as successful..

keeping one coach is like only changing 3 of 4 old tires ona car, it wont ride right and they will always be be changed at different intervals..

nope pull the band aide, move on..
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I don't think it's negotiable, it's the Joneses job to offer and Booger is not hiring any HC with demands.
 
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darthseinfeld said:
I dont think Moore will be forced on a new staff, but I do think there is a possibility Moore may be retained for a year. Its pretty common for a new staff to retain one or two coachs from the staff initially.

If its Meyer, I think it will be Kevin Wilson or Moore for a year. Could be someone else I haven't though, but alot of Meyer's OC's are HC's at college programs right now
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I can see that,

The problem it brings though is that given the last 2.5 decades of dysfunction, if Moore is retained the question of whether he was forced on the new HC or the HC decided to retain him will always be debated regardless of what the HC says.

If they are winning, no problem. If they struggle, more carrion for the dysfunction loving vultures.

I also can't rule out how much Jerry has shown he likes 'his' guys who 'he' found and who he wants to validate his football acumen. Moore seems to be next in line to be knighted into the court of Jerry.

I hope I'm wrong. It will be a fascinating off season. At lease we got that!
 
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Good thread. I think we need to look at other stats: penalties, turnovers, red zone efficiency. We do lots of things well but fail at the wrong times. Not sure the root cause.
 
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CouchCoach said:
I don't think it's negotiable, it's the Joneses job to offer and Booger is not hiring any HC with demands.
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no one knows how this will go down or how Jerry feels about KM..we are 6-7 and KM is part of that stink.. they all have to go..

Rhetoric debates are just a fan thing... if Jerry finally lets go of JG, he will be willing to let them all go..
 
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Vtwin said:
I can see that,

The problem it brings though is that given the last 2.5 decades of dysfunction, if Moore is retained the question of whether he was forced on the new HC or the HC decided to retain him will always be debated regardless of what the HC says.

If they are winning, no problem. If they struggle, more carrion for the dysfunction loving vultures.

I also can't rule out how much Jerry has shown he likes 'his' guys who 'he' found and who he wants to validate his football acumen. Moore seems to be next in line to be knighted into the court of Jerry.

I hope I'm wrong. It will be a fascinating off season. At lease we got that!
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Those guys spin anything their way regardless. Sometimes they are correct. Sometimes they aren't. I try not to concern myself with it so much

With Meyer it might come down to Wilson's options. 12-0 and #2 under Day right now may get him a HC gig in college. However his profile isn't big enough to get one at a top 25 school. I think an NFL OC job right now is a better career move than HC at a middling college program. However, maybe he just wants a program.
 
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A lot of our passing yards are a result of early deficits and in trash time.

And defensive numbers are a result of shortened fields with turnovers and missed field goals.

Our defense is near the bottom of the league in turnovers for a top 10 ranked.

Anyone who’s watched all of the games would see why our rankings don’t reflect our teams records.
 
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Fletch said:
I feel that the stats the OP presented, and the question, (how can this be a 6-7 team?) is an indictment of Garrett’s overall leadership, or lack there of.

Like it’s been said many times in here, Garrett manages well during the week, but come game day it’s like every man for himself with no accountability.

I didn’t want to believe that for the longest, but it has happened for too long for it not to be true. Garrett is a good dude, but needs a change of scenery. Maybe that’s with another team, or a move to college.
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A lot of our passing yards are a result of early deficits and in trash time.

And defensive numbers are a result of shortened fields with turnovers and missed field goals.

Our defense is near the bottom of the league in turnovers for a top 10 ranked.

Anyone who’s watched all of the games would see why our rankings don’t reflect our teams records.
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If you look at the season the only game that they really got behind early was the GB game. The rest it was not until well into the 3rd quarter where they were really out of it. I hate when people think 10pts is a reason for a team to abandon the run.
 
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charron said:
what's wrong with the team is Jerry Jones try to put newer inexperienced up and coming coaches behind some really good players thinking they would keep going in with their progression and instead those units have all suffered every single one of them the offensive line the linebackers they do not have the coaching they need to get back to where they were even last year and the year before. Special teams has been a joke as well these guys are being under coached by their position coaches and Garrett is not the X's and O's guy who can go in and make up that difference he's the type of coach who needs good positional coaches to do to be able to do their job and they are not in any way. the problem will continue to next year and less Jerry let's the next head coach pick his own staff and he needs to encourage at coach to fire his staff when need be and get somebody in their new or do whatever they need to but right now he doesn't let Garrett do that.
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Hiring "young" coaches is not the problem per se. It's all about the Head Coach and having "his" guys regardless of age/experience.

I don't think Garrett would ever have "his guys" even if Jerry stayed away.

Garrett wanted to hire OL coach Bill Callahan and they quickly grew to despise each other.
 
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LatinMind said:
If you look at the season the only game that they really got behind early was the GB game. The rest it was not until well into the 3rd quarter where they were really out of it. I hate when people think 10pts is a reason for a team to abandon the run.
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We had early deficits in most of our games.

And going back now I believe 16 games in the last 5 years we haven’t overcome 7 point or more deficit in 2nd half. That’s an alarming number.

And abandoning run is often dictated by opponents intent on stifling it early to force us to throw to come back.
 
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Diehardblues said:
We had early deficits in most of our games.

And going back now I believe 16 games in the last 5 years we haven’t overcome 7 point or more deficit in 2nd half. That’s an alarming number.
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From my memory the team hasnt been behind much in the last 5 yrs. Well u can add 2015 in there and im sure thats where most of those 16 games are from. Am i wrong?
 
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EPL0c0 said:
I disagree

Any new HC should be allowed to choose their staff.

They shouldn't be forced to work with he assistants that Jerry choose for them.

If that means Kellen Moore is gone, oh well.
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If the new coach wanted him to stay i wouldnt cry about it because i think he's going to be a really good coach. This is his first yr calling plays. But in no way should this be a requirement for the new coach.
 
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EPL0c0 said:
I disagree

Any new HC should be allowed to choose their staff.

They shouldn't be forced to work with he assistants that Jerry choose for them.

If that means Kellen Moore is gone, oh well.
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Agreed.

But I suspect our new puppet won’t have a choice.lol
 
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LatinMind said:
From my memory the team hasnt been behind much in the last 5 yrs. Well u can add 2015 in there and im sure thats where most of those 16 games are from. Am i wrong?
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2015 is included but the stats also include the 4 seasons with Dak.

And the key here is7 points or more behind.
 
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xwalker said:
Hiring "young" coaches is not the problem per se. It's all about the Head Coach and having "his" guys regardless of age/experience.

I don't think Garrett would ever have "his guys" even if Jerry stayed away.

Garrett wanted to hire OL coach Bill Callahan and they quickly grew to despise each other.
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It's very interesting that you point that out. Maybe its because Callahan realizes how incompetent Garrett really was and started to change things on offense. Him doing so probably got him calling more of the plays. Thus the reason why for the rift between them two.
 
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