The first requirement of the HC of the DC

Gaede said:

This is how we ended up with Garrett as HC.

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CouchCoach said:

Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

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blueblood70 said:

nope you cant expect to force KM on the new staff..if they CHOOSE not get a demand by Jerry. then im ok with it..we have to stop the vicious circle of switching out parts each time things are changed with coaches//we have been frankensteined to death since wade..no more holdovers from he old staff unless its 100% the wish of the new HC..

period end of story.. least we forget the end of the MN game and abandoning zeke when hes hot.. im sorry but a new OC will have virtually the same players to work with and can figure out a way to have them as successful..

keeping one coach is like only changing 3 of 4 old tires ona car, it wont ride right and they will always be be changed at different intervals..

nope pull the band aide, move on..

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LatinMind said:

This is what i mean by fans talking out both ends. They critique the coaching the culture the game planning the scheme the accountability, Jones stepping on toes, coaches being puppets. But want to force a assistant coach on a new incoming coach.

Dont criticize Jerry if youre going to be in favor of doing what you critique him for.

Moore's offense if thats really true has alot of empty yrds. And what i mean about empty yrds is a whole lot of yrds without coming up with points. From the 20 to the 20 they can move the ball better then anybody in the NFL. The play calling in the redzone is the worst in the NFL. This is why you change him out too.

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CouchCoach said:

Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

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xwalker said:

Hiring "young" coaches is not the problem per se. It's all about the Head Coach and having "his" guys regardless of age/experience.

I don't think Garrett would ever have "his guys" even if Jerry stayed away.

Garrett wanted to hire OL coach Bill Callahan and they quickly grew to despise each other.

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charron said:

A head coach should have his guys. And if that HC feels the need to let one go then that should be an ok thing.

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AbeBeta said:

Like it or not, whoever coaches here will need to deal with the fact that he'll have to have some coaches that the players are already comfortable with. Moore and Gary Brown are definitely part of that group. Lett as well.

If the HC is offensive minded, it doesn't really matter who is nominally the OC, the HC is there to direct the guy and possibly call plays.

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CouchCoach said:

Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

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rocyaice said:

This defeats the whole purpose of what we are trying to change. A head coach should hire his own staff. If he wants Moore then so be it. But that’s not Jerry’s decision. You guys are enabling the same consistent behavior that’s lead to 20 years of misery.

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CouchCoach said:

Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

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xwalker said:

I don't think the Jones boys will force assistants onto the the new HC; although it's possible the decision on who to hire could be influenced by who that HC plans to hire.

There will almost always be some assistants remain when a new HC is hired. A new HC can rarely hire his top choices at all positions because they're not available.

Moore is the assistant most likely to have success somewhere in the future, IMO.

I'm OK keeping a couple from (if the new HC wants them):
Moore
Kitna
Lal
Nussmeier

I think Richard would be OK as a DB coach under a quality DC and HC but they need a new voice in that position at this point.

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kevinhickey said:

Lack of execution and attention to details. We have a problem overcoming mistakes. Adjustments to how teams play us needs to be addressed. Players focusing on football. We need to change the atmosphere around this team. Too much glam and fashion for my liking.

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CouchCoach said:

Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.

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DuncanIso said:

KRichard is going to be our next DC. Legion of Boom, super bowl ring, DC for 3 years at DHawls. Number one scoring defense as DC in 2015.

He should have replaced Hot Rod after the Rams disaster .

You left Columbo off the list.

The HC in Dallas isn’t the GM.

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LatinMind said:

Have you even done the research? Id like a breakdown if you have.

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AbeBeta said:

Like it or not, whoever coaches here will need to deal with the fact that he'll have to have some coaches that the players are already comfortable with. Moore and Gary Brown are definitely part of that group. Lett as well.

If the HC is offensive minded, it doesn't really matter who is nominally the OC, the HC is there to direct the guy and possibly call plays.

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