Bill Belichick: “Good players can’t overcome bad coaching”

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I agree with that to a point as far as play calling but the fundamentals of blocking and tackling and ball protection, that's on the players.
If the player’s fundamentals have diminished through bad habits or they were never great to begin with. It’s up to the coach to recognize that and help improve it through instruction. IMO.
 

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Great talent makes everyone look brilliant.

It’s always about the talent. Great coaching amasses the talent.

I disagree. Like many things it’s a little of both, but I feel coaching is more of a key to winning.

The Cowboys drop off between Johnson and Switzer is one good example.

I also don’t think the patriots have been the most talented over the last twenty years. Yet there they are every year.
 

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The idea that the more talented team always wins is dumb.

You're going to sit here and tell me the Jets are more talented?

You're right, the more talented team doesn't always win. Coaching is a big factor.

BUT... football is a strange game and you can be more talented at every position but one and that one position can be your downfall. In that particular game against the Jets, the Cowboys were missing La'El Collins, Tyron Smith and Amari Cooper. Give me any two of those three and they win the game going away.
 

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I agree with that to a point as far as play calling but the fundamentals of blocking and tackling and ball protection, that's on the players.
Agree coach. These players should be paid on their performance after each game. Not a paycheck before hand. This way, we'd see 100% from them without the....

I already received my millions, I don't need to show up today attitude.
 

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Agree coach. These players should be paid on their performance after each game. Not a paycheck before hand. This way, we'd see 100% from them without the....
I already received my millions, I don't need to show up today attitude.

You see that's where Jimmy was great, he made sure that the talent was playing to 100% of their capabilities. If every player in the NFL was doing that then Jimmy would have no advantage. If a coach can do that in the NFL today, he'd have the same success as JJ did. We have the talent but due to lack of fear it's not playing up to its capabilities.
 

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I disagree. Like many things it’s a little of both, but I feel coaching is more of a key to winning.

The Cowboys drop off between Johnson and Switzer is one good example.

I also don’t think the patriots have been the most talented over the last twenty years. Yet there they are every year.
But they wouldn’t be there without Brady. We’ve seen what Belichick is without Brady. Just a brilliant defensive coach.

Wasn't much of a drop off without Jimmy still reaching championship game and another SB.

Look at all of our great HC. Jimmy struggled until he amassed enough talent . Then in Miami not as much success without talent.

Landry same thing. Struggled in early years while amassing the talent. Then in later years struggles again without the talent.

I can provide examples after another with rare exception.

Great coaching helps but give me Switzer and the 95 team and you can have Jimmy and the rest of the league. Lol
 
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Can Jerry cough up 1 billion dollars? If so, he should offer that to Belechick to coach the Cowboys, plus offer letting him sleep with Jerry's wife and give him a pint of his blood, his favorite car, and all the art in his house. One more thing: Guarantee in the contract that Jerry will spend every NFL season on Tuvalu Island without meddling in the team's affairs. The only communication Jerry is allowed with the team is a postcard from Tuvalu telling them about the nice beaches and his hammock.

Give Belechick anything he asks for to bring him to Dallas.
 

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Well, nobody would ever say Barry Switzer put out his best effort in coaching when he was with the Cowboys.

If there was ever a case where great players overcame bad coaching (even all the way to Super Bowl win) it was that year

It was the exception, but it did happen
 

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That's a huge exception given that the core of the 1995 team was formed and had good coaching as its foundation. That got taken away and replaced with Barry Switzer but that doesn't mean that those guys all of a sudden forgot everything from the foundational years. Instead a better gauge is what happened to the Cowboys after that core left. I believe we had the Campo years right?

Fair point.
 

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They have no shot at winning if they don't get out of the cover 3 defense that they have been playing so much of.

Trubisky was 4 of 11 on passes more than 10 yards downfield. The Bears feasted off the short easy throws underneath.

Trubisky completed 48% of his passes this season vs man and I joked before the game to look for Dallas to play a ton of zone coverage and that is exactly what they did.

Not only did they not put their own players in good positions, but they also let opposing QBs get comfortable. Trubisky can't read a defense to save his life, they gave made it far too easy for him to stick with his first read, instead of forcing him to go through his progressions.

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Man how true a statement from him on the HBO documentary, and how spot on that is for this team and JG..both he and Saban spoke at length about this fact, and all I could think about is how many times that could be said about the Boys
There you go
Welcome to the 2019 Dallas cowboys
 

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But they wouldn’t be there without Brady. We’ve seen what Belichick is without Brady. Just a brilliant defensive coach.

Wasn't much of a drop off without Jimmy still reaching championship game and another SB.

Look at all of our great HC. Jimmy struggled until he amassed enough talent . Then in Miami not as much success without talent.

Landry same thing. Struggled in early years while amassing the talent. Then in later years struggles again without the talent.

I can provide examples after another with rare exception.

Great coaching helps but give me Switzer and the 95 team and you can have Jimmy and the rest of the league. Lol
Well, sure they all need some talent and that’s part of what great coaches do. Evaluate talent. That’s part of why the 95 Cowboys were so good. Because jimmy built that team.

Great coaches like Saban and Belicheck are always going to look like they have the most talent.

In football coaching is more important than any other sport. Yeah. You need talent. Even more you need a coach that knows how to access the talent and use it properly. Harbaugh is a great example of this. He’s why the Ravens are perineal contenders.

You’ll see next year what a difference a good coach makes.
 
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