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charron said:
A head coach should have his guys. And if that HC feels the need to let one go then that should be an ok thing.
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Sure, but you need some guys with NFL experience. Someone like Meyer has an impressive coaching tree but most of his guys are college coaches.

I wouldn't assume that anyone could come in and line up his dream team of assistants. Good coaches develop assistant coaches as well as players.
 
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CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.
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Really?

Moore inherited an offense from last year with 9 Pro Bowlers of which like 7 were offensive selections.

He has run the offense in the ground and his gameplans are little different from Linehan.

Sure..Dak has improved. But Moore is supposed to take ALL of the offense along, too.

Moore has not done that. If we get 4 Pro Bowlers this year we will be lucky. Don't be surprised if Zeke does not get an invite nor several others.

The OL may not send anybody at all nor the defense. Not Moore's fault but the offense is.

If we get a new HC I hope he has both a new OC and DC coming with him.

Those two coach positions have failed miserably in 2019.

Just my feeling.
 
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No, didn’t have to . NFL network and ESPN did.
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So you have no idea what ur talking about then right?

well i just did a quick search and 7 came from 2015 and another 6 from this yr. So 3 games from 2016 to to 2018.

2015 was a broken season because of what happened to Romo, which has nothing to do with this current team whatsoever.

between 2016 and 2018 they had 3 games from what ur saying NFLN and ESPN are saying supposedly.

And this yr where the coaching has failed the players.

So either youre lying, or i think you shouldnt be so quick to say this team hasnt won games after being down by 7 or more. Because this team has done it prior to this yr.

Sorry to break your pessimism but you just took a L

I think you shouldve just tried to go with this team has 9 losses where they couldnt come back from 7 down in the past 4 yrs. Instead of trying to push a yr that has nothing to go with this current team.

And then to further give you a L, you couldve said this QB has the 2nd most come back wins since entering the league. Youre taking Ls today.
 
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Look at points, our lousy 3rd down performance, and our atrocious red zone success. Moore still has a lot to learn. Just because we have yards doesn’t mean much if he can’t get this QB, RB, WR group, and OL in the end zone much more effectively. The only coach on the team I’m not disappointed in right now is the WR coach.
 
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Chuck 54 said:
Look at points, our lousy 3rd down performance, and our atrocious red zone success. Moore still has a lot to learn. Just because we have yards doesn’t mean much if he can’t get this QB, RB, WR group, and OL in the end zone much more effectively. The only coach on the team I’m not disappointed in right now is the WR coach.
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Actually I thought our 3rd down performance was the best in the league?
 

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CouchCoach said:
I don't think he's letting Moore go.
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Is Moore under contract for next year? The choice may not be Jerry's. Moore may have less dysfunctional options.

Given Jerry's history Garrett as HC in waiting, and how that hamstrung Wade, I can see a HC demanding that Moore go. He probably should. And if he doesn't, he's probably not serious about Dallas as a long term gig.

I like Moore as an OC, but it's an organizational problem to keep him.

One way. Hire a HC and give him ultimate authority on his staff. If he keeps Moore then, it's fine. But having Jerry force an OC on a HC again harms the organization.

But I thought the coaches were most all in contract years themselves. Again, they may prefer moving on.
 

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TheCoolFan said:
And if Jerry forces any candidate to accept Moore as OC then they should tell Jerry thanks but pass on the job. Any HC should be able to bring in whatever OC and DC he wants.
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Especially given Jerry's history with Garrett and Wade.
 
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I have said that when Moore was hired as QB’s coach in 2018 that he will be the next HC in waiting just like Garrett was. Jerry is loyal to a fault and I am expecting the next HC will have to retain him as OC. Who ever it might be will last a few years and Kellen will take over.

That leaves us finding an offensive head coach who can babysit him and the offense leaving the defense at a disadvantage again, rinse and repeat.

Whatever coaching changes that happen at seasons end will leave us all puzzled and/or angered at the dysfunction.
 
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Tabascocat said:
I have said that when Moore was hired as QB’s coach in 2018 that he will be the next HC in waiting just like Garrett was. Jerry is loyal to a fault and I am expecting the next HC will have to retain him as OC. Who ever it might be will last a few years and Kellen will take over.

That leaves us finding an offensive head coach who can babysit him and the offense leaving the defense at a disadvantage again, rinse and repeat.

Whatever coaching changes that happen at seasons end will leave us all puzzled and/or angered at the dysfunction.
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don’t see that happening in Dallas.

the HC delegates control to the 3 coordinators.

currently, 2 of the 3 coordinators will be fired soon.
 
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JasonG is loyal to his coaches.

it cost him his job.

Marinelli and Quinn should not have been coordinators in 2019.

in normal years, Marinelli would cost us a playoff win.

This year, it’s a head coach.
 
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Step 1: Garrett must be sent packing (yeah, sounds easy, and yet.....)
Step 2: IMO, you bring in Riley - let the offense get better with Moore as OC
Step 3: Let Riley recide who he wants as DC, is that Richard? - IMO, he is hamstrung by Marinelli being there


I don't know if Moore and Richard are issues or not and we will never know with Garrett here - I would want them both to stay but am also ok with the new HC making that decision
 
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Whyjerry said:
I agree with this. For a 30 year old first time OC with Garrett on his back Moore has done a good job. I think he has good rapport with Dak as well. I would be in favor. EVERYONE else must go.
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How about Kitna? He’s done wonders with Daks mechanics and technical reading of the field
 
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LatinMind said:
This is what i mean by fans talking out both ends. They critique the coaching the culture the game planning the scheme the accountability, Jones stepping on toes, coaches being puppets. But want to force a assistant coach on a new incoming coach.

Dont criticize Jerry if youre going to be in favor of doing what you critique him for.

Moore's offense if thats really true has alot of empty yrds. And what i mean about empty yrds is a whole lot of yrds without coming up with points. From the 20 to the 20 they can move the ball better then anybody in the NFL. The play calling in the redzone is the worst in the NFL. This is why you change him out too.
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The skillsets of our skilled players in the red zone suck. Nobody can go up and get a ball especially our tes who are checkdowners only with no racs. But we continue to play them as if they could. But they never do
 
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CouchCoach said:
Regardless of who the next HC of the Cowboys is, I believe there is one requirement that is not negotiable, Kellen Moore will be the OC.

The offense is ranked 1st in passing and total yards, 10th in rushing and 9th in total points. Think that's not bragging rights for the GM? I don't think he's letting Moore go.

Now, if this is true that he's part of the deal, which way would you lean if a new HC is selected, the offense or defense? What good does a guy like Riley or McCarthy do when the offense doesn't seem to be the problem?

Wanna see something else crazy? They're 8th in total D and 12th in scoring D.

How in the hell is this team 6-7 and don't lay that all on Garrett, that's ridiculous. Stat wise, this might be the best 6-7 team in NFL history. I've looked at lot of stats and not ever seen anything like that.

And I don't know where they rank now but several weeks back, they were the best 3rd down team on both sides of the ball, none of this makes sense.

So, instead of starting another thread, I'd like to discuss what you think is wrong with this team. If I were to show you those stats, without you knowing the record of that team, what would you guess? 6-7? Those are the stats of a 10 win team so far into the season.

So, my grab bag thread is about keeping Moore, O or D guy for HC and what's wrong with this team? Take you pick or go gonzo for all three, poster's choice.

I would really like to see some well thought out theories on how a team can look like that in the stats and have that record. There are some talking heads that have been following this game for many years and they can't explain it.
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Where we went wrong....:popcorn:

Sticking w/ Maher for too long.... Not playing LVE @ MLB....Over-rating our DTs. Thinking Conner Williams was a player....
 
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My guess is that a competent HC would want his own staff, unless he has a particular affinity for KM as OC. (Petersen?)
I would have enjoyed seeing KM create a new playbook vs. modifying Garrett's playbook, but that would not guarantee the instant success that Jerry wants.
If Jerry forces a new HC to keep KM vs. not being hired, it narrows the list of potential candidates.
It would be meddling right off the bat and would be a sign of a weak coach.
 
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