The case for Pollard

DuncanIso · Dec 16, 2019

Quickdraw said:
From the start, I've liked this kid. Yesterday was the icing on the cake for me.

Pollard:
12 rushes for 131 yards

Elliot:
24 rushes for 117 yards

To me, the kid is just better than Elliot. Don't get me wrong. I think Elliot is a good back (not work the big contract though). But I think Pollard gives the dynamic of the "break-away" run as evident in his TD run yesterday. If that was Elliot, he goes down or is caught from behind.

More #ZekeHate ?

glad Zeke is a good back. Who cares about all those rushing titles and Pro Bowls.

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

robjay04 said:
You do know Zeke’s average is going to down when m you take short yardage/goal line runs? Take away Zeke’s 4 carries within the 10 and Zeke’s YPC jumps to just shy of 6 YPC.

Cowboys offense was rolling halfway through the 3rd quarter with 5 straight scoring drives. Pollard takes over for a drive, loses yardage twice which led to our only punt of the night besides the first drive of the game.

Actually...Pollard had no gain or negative yardage on 3 of his carries compared to zero for Zeke. Those kind of plays stall drives and limiting those is what makes Zeke special.

I like both players but anyone actually watching the game could see how demoralizing Zeke is. Pollards game compliments his perfectly...I don’t see why we have to drag one down to pick up the other.

Zeke is not playing to his standard and he just got paid and the team is struggling.

He should be one of the main targets right now for criticism really.

All that said.... Pollard needs to take carries away from Zeke.. That is the point. Pollard is a hard runner and has shown no signs that he can't be productive if given more opportunities.

The only thing that has stopped Pollard so far is Zeke's fat contract and coaches not getting him involved.

On the field he is producing and making plays. He needs to play more.

DandyDon52 · Dec 16, 2019

Quickdraw said:
From the start, I've liked this kid. Yesterday was the icing on the cake for me.

Pollard:
12 rushes for 131 yards

Elliot:
24 rushes for 117 yards

To me, the kid is just better than Elliot. Don't get me wrong. I think Elliot is a good back (not work the big contract though). But I think Pollard gives the dynamic of the "break-away" run as evident in his TD run yesterday. If that was Elliot, he goes down or is caught from behind.

All true QD but the thing is the 2 jones boys have already given EE the big contract, and EE has star status, so who do you think they
want to get most of the carries??
Would they allow pollard to get more carries than elliot? No they cant because then they would look stupid for paying EE.
The jones boys will always demand that the guys they see as stars be on the field most of the time, just like witten still has a bigger role
than Jarwin even though he is clearly better than witten.

Pollard is going to be used in same way due to that, and really since he has to play for peanuts on his low rookie contract , it is better for him
to just be a part time RB.

The Rams are in a similar situation, they gave gurley too much, too soon moneywise, and now the coach has to use gurley even though he just
isnt good enough. The Rams should have kept OJ anderson and used him more than gurley.
This game gurley looked less than ordinary, I dont know who they have backing him up, but the bkup should have gone in early, and same
for Goff who hurt thumb or whatever looked awful. They would have done better with Bortles.
I remember the owners saying they wanted to use gurley more in SB, and not OJ last year, which probably cost them that game.

Starforever · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
It actually does.

How many wins does the Giants have?

stilltheguru · Dec 16, 2019

give zeke to the Eagles for Miles Sanders. then we can have Pollard and Sanders. Sounds good? :clap:

phildadon86 · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Zeke is not playing to his standard and he just got paid and the team is struggling.

He should be one of the main targets right now for criticism really.

All that said.... Pollard needs to take carries away from Zeke.. That is the point. Pollard is a hard runner and has shown no signs that he can't be productive if given more opportunities.

The only thing that has stopped Pollard so far is Zeke's fat contract and coaches not getting him involved.

On the field he is producing and making plays. He needs to play more.

remind me again. What was his role in college?

robjay04 · Dec 16, 2019

Quickdraw said:
Who's dragging anyone down? It's a simple comparison. You guys read into things too much.

Saying a rookie who has already missed a game due to injuries is better than an all pro, two time rushing champ is dragging Zeke down.

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

Starforever said:
How many wins does the Giants have?

What do you mean?

Do you think they have a lot of explosive plays? lol

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

phildadon86 said:
remind me again. What was his role in college?

Why should I care what he did in college.

He needs to cut into Zeke's carries until he proves he can't do it because all he's done as a rookie is prove your "what did he do in college" theory wrong.

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

Starforever said:
How many wins does the Giants have?

What was this comment in regards too?

phildadon86 · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Why should I care what he did in college.

He needs to cut into Zeke's carries until he proves he can't do it because all he's done as a rookie is prove your "what did he do in college" theory wrong.

No. Hes proven he is a good change of pace back which is exactly what he is and was in college lol. You keep talking about big plays. Barkley gets a lot of big plays. Whats the Giants record again?

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

phildadon86 said:
No. Hes proven he is a good change of pace back which is exactly what he is and was in college lol. You keep talking about big plays. Barkley gets a lot of big plays. Whats the Giants record again?

Well we need a change of pace more often because fat boi ain't doing nothing no more but sputtering a few yards.

Derrick Henry and Chris Carson are producing at a similar rate with the same amount of touches.

Pollard might actually house one.

Barkley was injured for most of the season and yes I keep talking about big plays because they correlate to winning.

robjay04 · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Zeke is not playing to his standard and he just got paid and the team is struggling.

He should be one of the main targets right now for criticism really.

All that said.... Pollard needs to take carries away from Zeke.. That is the point. Pollard is a hard runner and has shown no signs that he can't be productive if given more opportunities.

The only thing that has stopped Pollard so far is Zeke's fat contract and coaches not getting him involved.

On the field he is producing and making plays. He needs to play more.

Zeke has had a touchdown or averaged over 5 YPC in every game besides 2 this season. By his standards, yes he is having a “down year” but he is still having a great season and if anything..should he seek the ball more against Chicago and definitely Buffalo.

Zeke has never missed a game in 3 seasons due to injuries despite having a record amount of touches. Pollard missed one already despite having limited touches.

Pollard does not need to “take carries away” from Zeke. If anything..the Cowboys need to run the ball more like they did yesterday getting both of them involved.

Mr_437 · Dec 16, 2019

Gotta have better perspective, and Zeke is a top RB in this league, so respect that. Pollard is a good cop RB...just enjoy both.

Arkyvarminter · Dec 16, 2019

Pollard is good but Zeke get more DOLLARS PER RUSH....lol

phildadon86 · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Well we need a change of pace more often because fat boi ain't doing nothing no more but sputtering a few yards.

Derrick Henry and Chris Carson are producing at a similar rate with the same amount of touches.

Pollard might actually house one.

Barkley was injured for most of the season and yes I keep talking about big plays because they correlate to winning.

So then why are the Giants so bad. Barkley missed 3 weeks.

robjay04 · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Well we need a change of pace more often because fat boi ain't doing nothing no more but sputtering a few yards.

Derrick Henry and Chris Carson are producing at a similar rate with the same amount of touches.

Pollard might actually house one.

Barkley was injured for most of the season and yes I keep talking about big plays because they correlate to winning.

Big rushing plays can correlate to winning if..the back doesn’t get caught in the backfield on a regular basis.

I’d rather have a back that gets a consistent 4-8 yards a clip than a guy than gets stuffed and/or loses yardage just to break a long run. It goes to the Emmitt versus Barry argument for me.

Cowboys had 3 zero yards or negative runs yesterday..all from Pollard, one of which directly resulted in a 3 and out. This Cowboys team is built to impose their will on their opponent and our defense Improves as well when we have those long demoralizing drives.

mrmojo · Dec 16, 2019

Pollard was impressive, but so was Zeke. Just need to utilize both of them and wear down the defense.......... and stop all these reverses to Austin!

CATCH17 · Dec 16, 2019

phildadon86 said:
So then why are the Giants so bad. Barkley missed 3 weeks.

Because they don't make enough big plays.

Through the air or on the ground.. They must come from somewhere. If they don't you will lose more times then not.

THEHEREAFTER · Dec 16, 2019

CATCH17 said:
Zeke is not playing to his standard and he just got paid and the team is struggling.

He should be one of the main targets right now for criticism really.

All that said.... Pollard needs to take carries away from Zeke.. That is the point. Pollard is a hard runner and has shown no signs that he can't be productive if given more opportunities.

The only thing that has stopped Pollard so far is Zeke's fat contract and coaches not getting him involved.

On the field he is producing and making plays. He needs to play more.

You have to be kidding coming off the game Zeke just had. Zeke was the catalyst and kept our D off the field. Sure, find ways to get Pollard more involved. I love the kid but Zeke is not this teams "problem" and he certainly wasn't yesterday.

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