The case for Pollard

kskboys · Dec 19, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Racking up points to create large leagues isn't remotely the same though, right?

All I'm saying is that it's been statically proven incorrect from the link I provided that defenses wear(is it actually ware* down in this case) down from the running game.

In theory it makes sense, but offensive players get just as tired as defensive. RBs even more so.

I'd find a different source.

LovinItAll · Dec 20, 2019

A couple of notes:

After the past few years, I'm no longer embarrassed to say that I've been a Memphis Tiger (formerly Memphis State) fan for 30 years. I lived in Memphis for almost 25 years, so that's my excuse.

I watch as much Tiger football as I can and I saw Pollard a bunch when he was at Memphis. Couldn't help but watch Zeke at OSU, as they were on TV every week. Pollard had about 100 rushes during his entire 3-year career at Memphis for ~1300 yards total. He caught the ball a little more often than that, but was highly regarded because of his return capability. We all know that Zeke was a beast at OSU and almost gained 2,000 yards twice. Still, they aren't playing college football anymore.

Pollard is not even in the same category as Zeke as an NFL running back. At 5'11" and 210#, he would get chewed up as a feature back in the scheme Dallas runs. Everyone thinks Zeke looks a little bigger than his rookie year because he IS bigger. Not because he's lazy, though, but because the extra weight helps him survive the rigors of an NFL season better. Cornerbacks that dread tackling Zeke are eager to put the leather on Tony, and has been argued earlier in this thread, without Zeke softening up the defense, Pollard's production would likely suffer.

I'm always happy to see an ex-Memphis player succeed in the league and I'm glad Tony is on our roster. Still, taking his results from one game and trying to make the case that he's better than Zeke is a little silly. Zeke caught more balls for more yards than Cooper last week. Is he a better receiver? Of course not.

Anyway........Go Cowboys!!!!

cowboyed · Dec 20, 2019

LovinItAll said:
A couple of notes:

After the past few years, I'm no longer embarrassed to say that I've been a Memphis Tiger (formerly Memphis State) fan for 30 years. I lived in Memphis for almost 25 years, so that's my excuse.

I watch as much Tiger football as I can and I saw Pollard a bunch when he was at Memphis. Couldn't help but watch Zeke at OSU, as they were on TV every week. Pollard had about 100 rushes during his entire 3-year career at Memphis for ~1300 yards total. He caught the ball a little more often than that, but was highly regarded because of his return capability. We all know that Zeke was a beast at OSU and almost gained 2,000 yards twice. Still, they aren't playing college football anymore.

Pollard is not even in the same category as Zeke as an NFL running back. At 5'11" and 210#, he would get chewed up as a feature back in the scheme Dallas runs. Everyone thinks Zeke looks a little bigger than his rookie year because he IS bigger. Not because he's lazy, though, but because the extra weight helps him survive the rigors of an NFL season better. Cornerbacks that dread tackling Zeke are eager to put the leather on Tony, and has been argued earlier in this thread, without Zeke softening up the defense, Pollard's production would likely suffer.

I'm always happy to see an ex-Memphis player succeed in the league and I'm glad Tony is on our roster. Still, taking his results from one game and trying to make the case that he's better than Zeke is a little silly. Zeke caught more balls for more yards than Cooper last week. Is he a better receiver? Of course not.

Anyway........Go Cowboys!!!!

Pollard is just a different style runner but in his own way a play-maker as Zeke. If Pollard had as many and type plays as Zeke he likely would wear down fast, and shorten his career. Zeke is thick as a brick and becomes a savage in a swarm of defenders. That stated Pollard is no girlie Gurley. He will take on all comers. He obviously is not muscular imposing but he could be muscular dense. One of those sinewy athletes that is surprisingly strong and durable relative to his physical embodiment.

SmarterThanEinstein · Dec 20, 2019

yeah, Zeke is the best back in the NFL, how many big games has he had so far? He's a rarity power speed and hands. You can give the ball to Zeke 30+ times a game and he's durable. Pollard isn't a work horse either. When it comes to speed Elliott 225lbs 4.46 40 isn't slow man. Pollard 4.36 at 216lbs is great but talent level not at Zeke's. Plus how long can Pollard handle the NFL punishment? I bet Zeke can play for 8 more years effectively. Zeke is durable as hell.

Ranched · Dec 20, 2019

There is no case for Pollard. Dallas has a two headed monster in the backfield. How I would love to be in Moore's shoes with the talent he has to play with.

aria · Dec 20, 2019

BourbonBalz said:
LOL. Figure it out.

There’s nothing to figure out, it’s just dumb and makes no sense because it’s not what I said but you like to change and ignore things so it’s no surprise. Just another playground joke you learned, one step away from a mom joke which I’m still waiting on.

quickccc · Dec 20, 2019

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nightrain said:
I think Pollard and Zeke are the perfect combination of thunder and lightening for an offensive running attack. Pollard is most definitely quicker and more elusive than Zeke, but Zeke is an extremely talented, big game player who is the prototypical bell cow back.

I tend to think of a bell cow as Demarco Murray in 2014.
Not a guy that's not gonna give you a 50-60 yard home run TD, but one you can methodically use to sustain drives by run-ball and can

Emmitt wasn't gonna give you 60 yard runs either, but his bell cow running was just on a higher level than Murray.
Smith's balance, vision and ability to elude and slip tacklers was just that much more amazing. His ability to start, stop, re-start, redirect and finish runs made his run skills so unique.
Plus he was simply one of the most durable and pure toughest player I've ever seen play.
Who could ever forget the infamous dislocated shoulder game vs NYG ?

And what was " once " a bigger advantage with Zeke in his first 2 years vs both Emmitt, Demarco ... was he was a much more dangerous, explosive a threat in the receiving game with that quick RB screen that we saw him take it to the house for a long TD or for major substantial up field splash yards. ....Man, I want that version of Zeke back so bad !

Kellen Moore seems to have drifted away from the RB screens that was such a commonly deadly weapon for us in past years, while we won't get that much from zeke on that play as we used to, Pollard
could be a very valuable screen weapon for us in that capacity.

BourbonBalz · Dec 20, 2019

aria said:
There’s nothing to figure out, it’s just dumb and makes no sense because it’s not what I said but you like to change and ignore things so it’s no surprise. Just another playground joke you learned, one step away from a mom joke which I’m still waiting on.

Yeah and your previous post was so mature. LOL. Pot meet kettle. But then again, it’s typical of you.

QuincyCarterEra · Dec 20, 2019

kskboys said:
I'd find a different source.

Go for it.

My source is adequate, you can find whatever source you'd like.

aria · Dec 20, 2019

BourbonBalz said:
Yeah and your previous post was so mature. LOL. Pot meet kettle. But then again, it’s typical of you.

More mature than yours. More mature than yours.

Number1 · Dec 20, 2019

a pretty good case for Pollard is right there in his game stats

in 7 losses, 15 carries, 3.6 avg - 3 receptions, 3.0 avg ... 0 TDs

in 7 wins, 55 carries, 6.2 avg - 14 receptions, 7.3 avg ... 2 TDs (rushing)

I can only hope the O coaches have noticed

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 20, 2019

Number1 said:
a pretty good case for Pollard is right there in his game stats

in 7 losses, 15 carries, 3.6 avg - 3 receptions, 3.0 avg ... 0 TDs

in 7 wins, 55 carries, 6.2 avg - 14 receptions, 7.3 avg ... 2 TDs (rushing)

I can only hope the O coaches have noticed

This has to be the most idiotic misuse of stats I've ever seen in my life.

Number1 · Dec 20, 2019

xwalker said:
The more I look back at the size of great NFL RBs, the more comical the original statement becomes.

You can't just hand wave and claim "going on percentages".

Percentages are against players having multi-year success in the NFL.

To look at percentages it would have to be RB that had legit NFL ability but broke down due to injury issues.

Those numbers would have to be compared between "smaller" RBs and bigger RBs with regards to the percentage that "broke down" within a short time frame but in a time frame that was long enough to verify that they had legit NFL talent to be long term RBs if they didn't break down.

There are many RBs that flash every year and then fade away, but many are not due to "breaking down" but are due to limited talent.

Walter Payton: 5-10, 200

LT: 5-10, 215

Terrell Davis: 5-11, 210

Curtis Martin: 5-11, 210

Dorsett - 5-11, 192

Kamara - 5-11, 215

Pollard - 6-0, 210 (also Pollard is 22 and likely still growing or at least is not as strong or coordinated as he will be in 2 years.

but Pollard is the only one listed who wasn't a workhorse RB in college, don't know if he can carry the load

Number1 · Dec 20, 2019

Cowboy Lover said:
This has to be the most idiotic misuse of stats I've ever seen in my life.

I'm not suggesting he's a every down NFL RB ... just get the kid 10/+ touches a game

OttoWest · Dec 20, 2019

Pollard has looked good. I'm glad he's under contract for 3 more years. Nice to see him cut loose.

Captain43Crash · Dec 20, 2019

phildadon86 said:
Am I the only one who realizes that without Zeke pounding the defense into submission pollard doesn’t get that lane to run thru? Why does it always have to be he’s better then him. They compliment each other. It’s simple. Also. I think it’s apparent you didn’t see that when Zeke was in the rams sold out to stop the run. When pollard came on in the second half the rams were lined up against the pass. It’s night and day the difference in how the rams played when pollard was in.

I agree with you completely.
To quote a frustrated football coach after a playoff loss, Jim Mora. “You think you know, but you really don’t know”. Thinking Pollard is better than Zek, really!
Pollard is an excellent compliment to Zek. They are two totally different running backs. Pollard is not built to carry the ball 20 times a game like Zek though.

aikemirv · Dec 20, 2019

We still talking about Hambrick, uh I mean Pollard!

Captain43Crash · Dec 20, 2019

big dog cowboy said:
The play he scored on at the end of the game, no way Zeke does that.

What is your point? Does that mean you think Pollard is a better back than Zek?

Captain43Crash · Dec 20, 2019

Aviano90 said:
Pollard had 3 “splash” plays on 12 carries, including a home run.

It should be clear now to everyone that while Zeke is still the man, his big play ability is gone. It should have already been clear but yesterday should convince the remaining doubters.

No it’s not. He may not have as many long runs, but they are not, “gone”.

Aviano90 · Dec 20, 2019

Captain43Crash said:
No it’s not. He may not have as many long runs, but they are not, “gone”.

Well maybe one of these years he will hit another home run and prove it.

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