Aaron Rodger over Dak in Pro Bowl is Ridiculous

Galian Beast · Dec 20, 2019

superonyx said:
The issue with QBR you never stated?
What are your issues with QBR and how are these issues giving Dak an advantage?

I said it is a bad formula. How much weight you give something is just as important as what you give weight to in the first place.

Kevinicus · Dec 20, 2019

The real snub here is Kirk Cousins.

Galian Beast · Dec 20, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Lol don't lecture me on reading as you didn't read the link I just gave. You're lazy.

You lost. I accept your white flag

Okay, kid.

Tarheelcowboy · Dec 20, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
Lol if you think this is true then you havent watched a lick of football this year.

And lol at "Dak lost to Rodgers" as a determination of pro bowl. Hilariously bad post.

Lol again.... go Quincy go...

superonyx · Dec 20, 2019

Galian Beast said:
I said it is a bad formula. How much weight you give something is just as important as what you give weight to in the first place.

So what part of the formula do you disagree with?

silvernblu · Dec 20, 2019

DFWJC said:
Zeke is 3rd, btw
anyway......

McCaffery was a runaway, by far, best this year. Dude will end up with well over 2000 yards

Dalvin Cook has been pretty great too

So those where the two easy choices

My guess is the debate was between

#2 rusher Chris Carson of Seattle and #3 rusher Zeke...

They were about equal, but I think Zeke has been better with more TDs and far less fumbles.

Why Dalvin Cook?

3 of 4 last games sub 30 yards.

And Seattle is the dam AFC!! Old school!

Galian Beast · Dec 20, 2019

superonyx said:
So what part of the formula do you disagree with?

Break down the formula for me.

Redball Express · Dec 20, 2019

Tarheelcowboy said:
LOL man....LOL...Dak cant tote Rodgers water bottle. Ohhh and Dak lost to Rodgers this Season. But Ohh well. The Selection to the Pro Bowl is not a Joke....The palying of the game is the Joke !

I really could careless about Pro Bowl selections.

I mean they play maybe one or 3 series and done.

Like that matters?

Not for me..we are all diving into the mock drafts, etc.

Who cares?

QuincyCarterEra · Dec 20, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Break down the formula for me.

He gave you the link for you to read it. Reading isn't hard.

Saying it's a bad formula when you don't have any clue the formula itself is a bad look not a bad formula.

EPA, QBR, and CPOE are three of the best measures of QB performance. If you don't agree then you should give better alternatives. If not whatever you say is just fluff.

DFWJC · Dec 20, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Break down the formula for me.

DFWJC · Dec 20, 2019

silvernblu said:
Why Dalvin Cook?

3 of 4 last games sub 30 yards.

And Seattle is the dam AFC!! Old school!

He's been playing hurt. Should've just sat out....which I think he finally is doing this week.

Anyway, I did say Zeke deserves it

QuincyCarterEra · Dec 20, 2019

Zeke and Travis being in while Dak is out is a travesty.

superonyx · Dec 20, 2019

Galian Beast said:
Break down the formula for me.

You said you don’t agree with it.
So what part do you not agree with?
How would you know you don’t agree with it if you don’t even know what it is?

StarBoyz83 · Dec 20, 2019

Getting voted to the pro bowl means nothing. It's almost as meaningless as the game.

tico · Dec 20, 2019

Romo got snubbed for the MVP over the Golden Boy, nothing new here

PAPPYDOG · Dec 20, 2019

Galian Beast · Dec 21, 2019

QuincyCarterEra said:
He gave you the link for you to read it. Reading isn't hard.

Saying it's a bad formula when you don't have any clue the formula itself is a bad look not a bad formula.

EPA, QBR, and CPOE are three of the best measures of QB performance. If you don't agree then you should give better alternatives. If not whatever you say is just fluff.

Does that link have a breakdown of the formula?

Galian Beast · Dec 21, 2019

superonyx said:
You said you don’t agree with it.
So what part do you not agree with?
How would you know you don’t agree with it if you don’t even know what it is?

You're hilariously missing my first point on this.

The first issue with QBR is that it isn't transparent.

Don't know what you do for a living, but it's clear you must not work much with data.

Assuming any formula is a good formula or better than nothing, is clear evidence of not understanding data.

QB rating for example isn't a perfect formula. It doesn't take much into account, particularly strength of schedule and context, but it does factor in some of the most important data points in its formula.

As I said earlier in the thread, the Packers are 11-3 and Rodgers has a 12:1 TD to INT ratio. Dak has 2 more touchdowns overall than Rodgers but has 11 interceptions compared to 2. Dak has been largely able to pad his stats in losses, while Rodgers does not have to. It is clear as day that Rodgers is having an MVP type year here. He's been largely flawless. QBR and even QB Rating, clearly aren't reflecting that nearly enough because they both weigh things inappropriately.

In the case of QB Rating, we can see clearly statistical anomalies. TDs, yards, completion percentage, against prevent defense or when trailing by large figures have no differential. There is no strength of schedule consideration.

We could forever go through the fallacy of stats in football. How does QBR account for the strength of an opponent? Is it based on yards or points?

The Cowboys are #1 in yards on offense in the league, yet they are 5th in the league in points scored. When you consider their schedule, it is even worse. The defense has a similar stumble in yards and points. Largely because the inverse of stat padding is also true for a defense.

When you look at the context you understand why we are 1-6 against teams with winning records.

Hadenough · Dec 21, 2019

JReed1000 said:
I usually don't start post but this really has me pissed. Aaron Rodgers is behind Dak in relatively EVERY Category/STAT they keep for NFL QBs and he beats out Dak for the Pro Bowl. Now I know its sometimes a popularity contest and I know that if its close then you go with the all pro. Maybe its about the winning record, but don't tell me DAK hasn't outplayed Aaron Rodgers this season. I aint crying but this is some BS. Dak has nearly a thousand more yards passing.

Rk Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
2 Dak Prescott DAL QB 340 519 65.5 37.1 4,334 8.4 309.6 26 11 204 39.3 62 61 13 18 99.3
11 Aaron Rodgers GB QB 300 474 63.3 33.9 3,463 7.3 247.4 24 2 157 33.1 74T 47 12 32 100.4

I totally agree with you! I got Rodgers on my fantasy team and haven't played him half the year because he has regressed along with the Packers are running the ball more.

JW82 · Dec 21, 2019

People are nuts. 24/2>26/11. 11-3>>>7-7.

Aaron Rodger over Dak in Pro Bowl is Ridiculous

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There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!

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