Same Robotic message. Day after Day

nobody · Dec 27, 2019

Kaiser said:
The guy you are replying to would want Mother Theresa gone.

I said for years that Garrett didn't suck and he was slightly above average. They were snakebit this year but they were somewhat last year but turned it around to go on a 8-1 run at the end of the season.

Then the team completely quit against the Bills and Bears, which is on the coaches and completely sealed Garrett being gone. I said before the season this was Garrett's last year no matter how the season went.

I don't see any inconsistency in my positions, there are plenty of positions that are not at the poles of "Apologist" and "Hater".

Dude, anyone would want Mother Theresa gone! She'd be a terrible head coach! She probably didn't know a thing about American Football.

nobody · Dec 27, 2019

Kaiser said:
So you wanted to fire Garrett in 2016 when he won Coach of the Year?

And there is a difference between "defending Garrett" and saying its stupid to complain about his press conferences or him clapping on the sideline.

Anyone who saw their performance in the playoffs that year would not be happy with Garrett, COY or not. It was the same old fail from a stacked team. That's on coaching....and who was the coach? Yeah.

Kaiser · Dec 27, 2019

DeathMonkey said:
Dude, anyone would want Mother Theresa gone! She'd be a terrible head coach! She probably didn't know a thing about American Football.

And her post game press conferences were horrible. Hallelujah this and blessings that, nothing about football.

Kaiser · Dec 27, 2019

DeathMonkey said:
Anyone who saw their performance in the playoffs that year would not be happy with Garrett, COY or not. It was the same old fail from a stacked team. That's on coaching....and who was the coach? Yeah.

Its not a fail if you went 13-3 in the first place, but I generally agree with your point. The distinction I would draw is between Garrett as a bad coach and a "not good enough" coach. In that playoff loss they came out flat in the first quarter after the bye week, which is ultimately on the coaches.

This year they were at .500 because all the little breaks went against them (BTW, that 2016 team really should have had 10 or 11 wins but every little break went for them that year, not against them). But they the team basically quit against the Bills and Bears, which is purely on the coaches and HC ultimately. We would have won the Philly game if Dak was completely healthy, but the die was cast at that point.

Even if this team had the breaks even out they would be 9-7 and need to get hot in the playoffs to make a serious run. That is unlikely, so Garrett would have been gone after this year anyway. Jones put him on notice that they needed to go deep in the playoffs before the season even started.

nobody · Dec 27, 2019

Kaiser said:
Its not a fail if you went 13-3 in the first place, but I generally agree with your point. The distinction I would draw is between Garrett as a bad coach and a "not good enough" coach. In that playoff loss they came out flat in the first quarter after the bye week, which is ultimately on the coaches.

This year they were at .500 because all the little breaks went against them (BTW, that 2016 team really should have had 10 or 11 wins but every little break went for them that year, not against them). But they the team basically quit against the Bills and Bears, which is purely on the coaches and HC ultimately. We would have won the Philly game if Dak was completely healthy, but the die was cast at that point.

Even if this team had the breaks even out they would be 9-7 and need to get hot in the playoffs to make a serious run. That is unlikely, so Garrett would have been gone after this year anyway. Jones put him on notice that they needed to go deep in the playoffs before the season even started.

When I said "It was the same old fail from a stacked team" I was referring specifically to the playoffs...and it was the same old fail under Garrett.

Risen Star · Dec 28, 2019

I've never heard a coach in any sport as annoying to listen to than Garrett. I tuned him out years ago. I just can't do it.

Carson · Dec 28, 2019

Risen Star said:
I've never heard a coach in any sport as annoying to listen to than Garrett. I tuned him out years ago. I just can't do it.

I much prefer our next coach to take the Marshawn Lynch route.

“Thanks for asking, I appreciate that” to every question

CB61 · Dec 28, 2019

Cas2800 said:
If fan are tired of hearing Garretts same robotic press conferences only hearing them a couple times a week, Can you imaging being a player hearing his robotic message all day long, day after day, year after year? Its so sad to hear Dak starting to sound exactly like him.

As a farewell to Garrett I think its only fitting to send him off with your favorite Garrett robotic message.

"How we doing guys?"
" Taking it day by day"
"Trying to learn from our mistakes"
" Best version of ourselves"
"Trying to be better then yesterday."

Whats your Garrett quote?

OmerV · Dec 28, 2019

stasheroo said:
Truth be damned would be your version of the facts. You rush to defend anything and everything that comes from this team.

Facts are what is i have written, and although I have consistently said for a couple of seasons Garrett should be replaced, that doesn’t fit the picture you want to paint, so your choice is to ignore that and call me a liar.

The real fact is because I don’t buy into everything negative anyone creates in their head, you Ignore the entirety of what I say. For you it’s all or nothing. If I don’t believe Garrett doesn’t actually care if his team wins, which some claim, in your mind I’m saying he is a great coach. If I don’t believe his habit of clapping has any significance, in your mind that means I support all he does.

It’s a nonsensical viewpoint that has no basis in reason. Again, a person doesn’t have to carry a silly sense of animosity or place illogical significance on what a guy does with his hands to believe he isn’t good at his job.

What I’ve tried to do is keep the narrative on what’s substantive, not on the imagined nonsense. The only thing that should factor into whether Garrett is terminated is if he has accomplished what he was hired to do, and he hasn’t. Why is it important to manufacture anything else? There doesn’t need to be anything else to justify the belief that he should go. That’s a fact based approach, not an emotional one. Why do you object to that?

Stash · Dec 28, 2019

OmerV said:
Facts are what is i have written, and although I have consistently said for a couple of seasons Garrett should be replaced, that doesn’t fit the picture you want to paint, so your choice is to ignore that and call me a liar.

Because I happen to know that you defended him and this team even this year. I’m not going to buy your revisionist history attempts now.

The real fact is because I don’t buy into everything negative anyone creates in their head, you Ignore the entirety of what I say. For you it’s all or nothing. If I don’t believe Garrett doesn’t actually care if his team wins, which some claim, in your mind I’m saying he is a great coach. If I don’t believe his habit of clapping has any significance, in your mind that means I support all he does.

It’s a nonsensical viewpoint that has no basis in reason. Again, a person doesn’t have to carry a silly sense of animosity or place illogical significance on what a guy does with his hands to believe he isn’t good at his job.

What I’ve tried to do is keep the narrative on what’s substantive, not on all the imagined nonsense. The only thing that factors into whether Garrett should stay or go is whether he has accomplished what he was hired to do, and he hasn’t. Why is it important for people to manufacture anything else? There doesn’t need to be anything else to justify the belief that he should go. Why do you object to that?

I don’t.

DogFace · Dec 28, 2019

“I’m pretend to talk to people on my headset”

Pretty sure he said that

OmerV · Dec 28, 2019

stasheroo said:
Because I happen to know that you defended him and this team even this year. I’m not going to buy your revisionist history attempts now.

I don’t.

You are still proving my point. Because I defended it against some things, you see it as defending against all things. I defend against viewpoints that lack reason, but I have never once claimed the team has everything together or that they have accomplished what they were hired to accomplish. My approach is time will tell, not knee jerk emotion. But you see only the part you want and bury your head in the sand to the rest, because for whatever reason you only allow yourself to see extremes - that either a poster has to agree with every possible negative comment regardless of how contrived, or he is an all in supporter of everything the team does. Again, that’s an entirely unrealistic an illogical viewpoint.

Stash · Dec 28, 2019

OmerV said:
You are still proving my point. Because I defended it against some things, you see it as defending against all things. I defend against viewpoints that lack reason, but I have never once claimed the team has everything together or that they have accomplished what they were hired to accomplish. My approach is time will tell, not knee jerk emotion. But you see only the part you want and bury your head in the sand to the rest, because for whatever reason you only allow yourself to see extremes - that either a poster has to agree with every possible negative comment regardless of how contrived, or he is an all in supporter of everything the team does. Again, that’s an entirely unrealistic an illogical viewpoint.

Not nearly as “unrealistic and illogical” as someone arrogant enough to actually think its up to them to decide what is “reason” vs “knee jerk”. That’s your problem that you still can’t see.

You don’t get to decide what valid is.

OmerV · Dec 28, 2019

stasheroo said:
Not nearly as “unrealistic and illogical” as someone arrogant enough to actually think its up to them to decide what is “reason” vs “knee jerk”. That’s your problem that you still can’t see.

You don’t get to decide what valid is.

Lol. That’s the pot calling the kettle black. You make the same judgements about me, and do so while ignoring the parts of what I say that don’t suit you.

Besides, it’s really not that hard to say it’s “knee jerk” when someone condemns an entire season on a single bad game, or condemns a player on a single bad game, and it’s not hard to say that reason dictates time will tell, not an indicpvidual incident. For you to dispute that further shows you don’t care about reason, only whatever supports your narrative.

Zordon · Dec 28, 2019

"Dallas Football Cowboys"

The guy has always wanted to be a Giant.

Stash · Dec 28, 2019

OmerV said:
Lol. That’s the pot calling the kettle black. You make the same judgements about me, and do so while ignoring the parts of what I say that don’t suit you.

Bull. I’m not the revisionist history guy that’s hard-wired to defend ‘his team’ at every turn.

Besides, it’s really not that hard to say it’s “knee jerk” when someone condemns an entire season on a single bad game, or condemns a player on a single bad game, and it’s not hard to say that reason dictates time will tell, not an indicpvidual incident. For you to dispute that further shows you don’t care about reason, only whatever supports your narrative.

Guess what? When it’s been clearly shown that this regime sucks, guess who looks worse? The people who criticize it? Or the people who still try to defend it?

I’ll give you enough credit for figuring that out on your own.

You, and the rest of the staunch defenders, are terribly late to the party. And I’m not sure that there are any seats left.

Mk2_Cowboys · Dec 28, 2019

How about the mind numbing “it’s a process “.

heir · Dec 28, 2019

None of this matters at all. Garrett's failings are about not getting enough wins. Not clapping, not the press conferences, not the message. Players, as do most people in general, like consistency. Imagine them coming in game after game or season after season and the message changed every time. The problem is when you have the same message and don't win on the field.

Most likely one more game and it will be all over. Then the next coach will come in and probably have pretty close to the same message as Garrett but hopefully more wins.

OmerV · Dec 28, 2019

stasheroo said:
Bull. I’m not the revisionist history guy that’s hard-wired to defend ‘his team’ at every turn.

Guess what? When it’s been clearly shown that this regime sucks, guess who looks worse? The people who criticize it? Or the people who still try to defend it?

I’ll give you enough credit for figuring that out on your own.

You, and the rest of the staunch defenders, are terribly late to the party. And I’m not sure that there are any seats left.

Revisionist! Lol. Another comment that makes zero sense. Do you just type stock comments?

You calling me a liar doesnt mean squat. It’s a mindless ploy. You are the revisionist, ignoring my full history, and cherry picking what you want to form an inaccurate argument.

My mantra is always that time will tell. I judge after the test of time instead of making definitive declarations based on individual moments. Time told with Garrett, and I’ve wanted him replaced for 2 years. You, on the other hand, are arguing to support your MO only seeing extremes, and ignoring the reality that things are almost never all one way or the other. So you ignore what you want and use that as an excuse to call people a liar. It’s a hugely illogical way to think.

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