An Emotional Reason for the Jerry/Jason Delay?

GMO415 · Dec 31, 2019

He fired s legend like Landry and didn't blink. He's giving this clown who'll never get into the HOF days.

CyberB0b · Dec 31, 2019

Verdict said:
I think Jerry is on the fence about Garrett. I think he also has a good reason to be. I know I am in the minority on this one.

Garrett made some bad decisions. He hasn’t been a perfect coach. He’s too robotic. But he has had the Cowboys in the hunt every year.

Maher missed field goals this year. Moore has brain farts as OC, Zeke fumbled around a critical time, Marinelli sucked as a DC, Amari has a deflection interception. If any of the foregoing were not the case we would be in the playoffs yet again.

BASED ON TERMS set by the Cowboys ownership many things are outside Garrett’s control. It may not be how it should be but that’s how it is.

4 winning seasons out of 9 as the full time head coach and we've been "in the hunt" every year. Hahaha.

conner01 · Dec 31, 2019

mahoneybill said:
Saw it posted in another one of this forums threads . Garrett is " book smart" and he researched successful coaches... But in reality when it comes to " street smart" he's
lacking . He has the talent to play .500 ball but us old timers remember when 10 wins was not out of the question.

Check out Landry record from 66- 85 once he righted the team and before it tanked..... Thats consistency the likes of which built the Cowboy brand.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/cowboys

I think Garrett biggest problem is being friendly with team. I like a guy like Parcells who the players have a bit of fear of him. The players like Garrett but they have no fear of him. I think a little fear of a HC is a good thing
That how you get the best out of players

Reid1boys · Dec 31, 2019

mardwin said:
From a talent perspective the cowboys have been loaded for several years, being in the hunt is not merit for Garrett to remain the HC. Wade Phillips had one bad season and he was canned Midway, it is fair to remind everyone that was the season Romo broke his collarbone. Dallas needs a coach that players will respectd and fear similar to Bill Parcells/Jimmy Johnson.

do players fear Andy Reid? Did they fear McVay last year? Do they fear Kyle Shanahan? The days of fearing a coach is over, for the most part. What happened in Baltimore this year over last year? Did they players have a newfound fear of Harbaugh? or did a player take the next step and take the team to a new level? I know, I know, it was all coaching that has put Lamar Jackson in the MVP race... blha blah blah

IheartRomo · Dec 31, 2019

Verdict said:
I think Jerry is on the fence about Garrett. I think he also has a good reason to be. I know I am in the minority on this one.

Garrett made some bad decisions. He hasn’t been a perfect coach. He’s too robotic. But he has had the Cowboys in the hunt every year.

Maher missed field goals this year. Moore has brain farts as OC, Zeke fumbled around a critical time, Marinelli sucked as a DC, Amari has a deflection interception. If any of the foregoing were not the case we would be in the playoffs yet again.

BASED ON TERMS set by the Cowboys ownership many things are outside Garrett’s control. It may not be how it should be but that’s how it is.

This is a poor assessment, IMO. The roster is very good (minimum top 10 in the league) and has been for quite a while (2014-now). The QB play has been excellent his entire tenure. Being in the hunt with a top notch roster and elite QB play (Dallas is top 5 in QB rating since 2010) is a failure as it relates to the coach, IMO.

I'd judge a coach by how much he can extract out of a team that is above their talent capabilities. If you have a 4 win roster talent-wise, 7 wins is a great season and job by the coach. When you have a 12 win roster talent-wise, an 8 win season is absolutely horrendous. Even meeting the rosters' capabilities isn't anywhere near good since many coaches could do the same.

Look at the overall talent on NE this year. Belichick consistently maximizes the talent of his roster. Even their #1 ranked D isn't loaded with pro bowlers or All pros - he is simply able to get the best version of almost every player through top notch scheming, etc. All good coaches extract more from the team than the sum of their parts. Mediocre to bad coaches do not. Garrett is the latter with a decade of evidence to back that up now.

Ranching · Dec 31, 2019

ColoCowboy said:
Or maybe the other "brothers" (Stephen and Jr) take him behind the woodshed?

Or maybe Charlotte takes him behind the woodshed!!! Lol

conner01 · Dec 31, 2019

GMO415 said:
He fired s legend like Landry and didn't blink. He's giving this clown who'll never get into the HOF days.

He had no personal relationship with Landry
He does with Garrett
It was time for Landry to retire and it’s time for Garrett to go

conner01 · Dec 31, 2019

RodeoJake said:
Garrett is stubbornly clinging to a philosophy that worked before the parity of free agency. You can't just say you're gonna line up and be better than the guy in front of you game after game anymore. You need to adapt and scheme to take advantage of your opponent's weakness and and scheme around your own. Garrett steadfastly refuses to yield. Maybe he'll change at his next stop, or maybe he'll continue to have mediocre results. The fact remains, he's not going to change who he is here, and it's time for him to move on.

Along with that, Jones has to change his approach. This can no longer be a resort atmosphere. We have to have guys that are hard nosed football players without any emotional attachment to the FO. Like any business, hard decisions are constantly having to be made.

Jerry doesn’t do himself or Garrett any favors
He must do as you say and let the next coach run the team
Hopefully he’s learned that players need a coach with authority to make them give 100% or hand out some consequences when they dont

LandryFan · Dec 31, 2019

mahoneybill said:
Saw it posted in another one of this forums threads . Garrett is " book smart" and he researched successful coaches... But in reality when it comes to " street smart" he's
lacking . He has the talent to play .500 ball but us old timers remember when 10 wins was not out of the question.

Check out Landry record from 66- 85 once he righted the team and before it tanked..... Thats consistency the likes of which built the Cowboy brand.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/cowboys

Back in the day a minimum 10 wins was the assumption heading into every season, even when the seasons were 14 games. But then again, that was a completely different NFL.

Hypotenoose · Dec 31, 2019

conner01 said:
I would bet Garrett is a fine human being
I respect him as a person and I think he could be a successful HC someday
But he’s not gonna be that here
Jerry gave him every chance and he didn’t get it done
The best thing for the team and Garrett is a friendly divorce

I’m unconvinced he’s not a robot, a very bad robot. He also might be human, is addicted to porn and kills baby seals. There’s really no telling.

Verdict · Dec 31, 2019

IheartRomo said:
This is a poor assessment, IMO. The roster is very good (minimum top 10 in the league) and has been for quite a while (2014-now). The QB play has been excellent his entire tenure. Being in the hunt with a top notch roster and elite QB play (Dallas is top 5 in QB rating since 2010) is a failure as it relates to the coach, IMO.

I'd judge a coach by how much he can extract out of a team that is above their talent capabilities. If you have a 4 win roster talent-wise, 7 wins is a great season and job by the coach. When you have a 12 win roster talent-wise, an 8 win season is absolutely horrendous. Even meeting the rosters' capabilities isn't anywhere near good since many coaches could do the same.

Look at the overall talent on NE this year. Belichick consistently maximizes the talent of his roster. Even their #1 ranked D isn't loaded with pro bowlers or All pros - he is simply able to get the best version of almost every player through top notch scheming, etc. All good coaches extract more from the team than the sum of their parts. Mediocre to bad coaches do not. Garrett is the latter with a decade of evidence to back that up now.

I agree with your assessment. Now riddle me this...If Jerry hires someone other than The Hoodie to coach this team do you think the disfunctionalism will cease to exist? Probably not, right?

Bam.

Verdict · Dec 31, 2019

Hypotenoose said:
I’m unconvinced he’s not a robot, a very bad robot. He also might be human, is addicted to porn and kills baby seals. There’s really no telling.

Seals make fine coats. I’m just sayin’.

IheartRomo · Dec 31, 2019

Verdict said:
I agree with your assessment. Now riddle me this...If Jerry hires someone other than The Hoodie to coach this team do you think the disfunctionalism will cease to exist? Probably not, right?

Bam.

Oh, I didn't realize you were angling towards Jerry being the underlying illness of having Garrett for a decade in the first place. I agree - Jerry is the real issue with puppet coaches on long leashes being a symptom.

Way I see it though - Jerry will never step down as GM so our only rooting hope is that he can get lucky and strike coaching gold like he did with Jimmy. I think it's unlikely but it is our only hope. More likely we're presented another puppet who makes Jerry comfortable.

Rayman70 · Dec 31, 2019

no, its just complicit ineptitude on display. But some of it IS exit strategy for Garrett.

jterrell · Dec 31, 2019

mahoneybill said:
Saw it posted in another one of this forums threads . Garrett is " book smart" and he researched successful coaches... But in reality when it comes to " street smart" he's
lacking . He has the talent to play .500 ball but us old timers remember when 10 wins was not out of the question.

Check out Landry record from 66- 85 once he righted the team and before it tanked..... Thats consistency the likes of which built the Cowboy brand.

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/pro/teams.nsf/histories/cowboys

Landry wasn't working with a salary cap.
There's one team routinely beating the 10 win fence since and they have been caught cheating 2011 times.

It is far easier to suck or a decade than it is to be great for one.
This is a parity league.

jterrell · Dec 31, 2019

It has been reported Jason asked for the delay to complete his "coaching duties".
He conducted player exit interviews which players reported as being long goodbyes.
Guessing Jason wanted to do the same with staff today before the announcement comes.

I think it very possible both Jason and Dallas know what will happen as far as who will be coaching where.
If not they are both crazier than we all thought.

RD21 · Dec 31, 2019

I think Jerry is waiting for both vacancies in our division to be filled. Last thing he wants is to play the Giants or Skins with Garrett as their coach. It would be a lose/lose situation for Jerry. He loves his red headed step child, & doesn't want to play against him twice/year.

Regardless of whether or not Garrett could immediately get another HC gig, Jerry thinks he can.

Grevus · Dec 31, 2019

conner01 said:
I think mostly true
Remember jerry paid a guy he knew couldn’t play
I don’t think Maher is a guy he had a relationship with. I think he loved the 60 yarders and looked around and seen not much to see
Remember forbath was on the street got signed and promptly missed a extra point and got cut
Jerry does get personally involved with players but Garrett is different
This is a guy he’s groomed for this job for a very long time and there is a real personal relationship thete

Jerry letting Garrett go in his mind is telling the world he was wrong. Garrett was the guy he strongly believed would develop into a great SB winning coach and Jerry could pump his chest that he found him. To me this explains why Garrett has been here so long and why he wasn't fired years ago. Jerry ego is the problem here and has been the issue since Johnson. Jerry has always wanted to known as a football guy and how better to prove to the world that he rolled the dice on Garrett and it worked.

blueblood70 · Dec 31, 2019

efh313 said:
It has been said over and over that the Cowboys organization is run like no other. And that the Cowboys way is generally speaking, the Jerry way.
It has also been said, particularly of late, regarding players and coaches that Jerry is far too emotional. He builds relationships and then let’s those relationships form bonds that cause him to make sloppy decisions, like keeping Maher 7 weeks too long because he’s a nice guy.
Knowing that he has a long history with Garrett, has referred to him “like a son”, do you think it was simply a desire of an emotional Jerry’s to not associate Jason Garrett with “Black Monday” in any way shape or form? Whether it be because he doesn’t want Jason to live with the stigma of every Black Monday remembering this one or his own reasons of not being able to deal with it?

he allowing him to finish out his normal end of year Player interviews and say his goodbyes..i know we want to hear the news but its not a rush, its going to happen..thats why it didnt happen yet, could be tonight after Garett gets all his player interviews complete..

atlantacowboy · Dec 31, 2019

mardwin said:
From a talent perspective the cowboys have been loaded for several years, being in the hunt is not merit for Garrett to remain the HC. Wade Phillips had one bad season and he was canned Midway, it is fair to remind everyone that was the season Romo broke his collarbone. Dallas needs a coach that players will respectd and fear similar to Bill Parcells/Jimmy Johnson.

Phillips only got one bad season b/c he was perceived as just warming the seat for JG from day 1. He never had a shot at being the long term answer at HC.

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