How do you teach turnovers?

Parcells4Life · Jan 3, 2020

Clearly that’s been the #1 problem on defense for nearly 15 years it seems. Many different DCs/head coaches and players have come through and put up good sack numbers and points/yards per game but never the INTs.

How do other teams like the Patriots do it? Is it more on the scheme or players

LatinMind · Jan 3, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
Clearly that’s been the #1 problem on defense for nearly 15 years it seems. Many different DCs/head coaches and players have come through and put up good sack numbers and points/yards per game but never the INTs.

How do other teams like the Patriots do it? Is it more on the scheme or players

Dallas is always good with the FFs

Where they lack is INTs. And this is all about the scheme. When teams know that the defense is designed to take away the outside and deep but funnel everything inside teams are going to take the easiest pass in football vs a zone which is the slant. For one the middle is going to be open because the defense forcing you inside with the LBers in a zone. And two the rules help them out because teams are aware of the defenseless receiver foul. Every NFL team knows this about the Cowboys defense and they use it religiously.

Reality · Jan 3, 2020

I think the real issue with the Marinelli defense is that it was designed around pressuring the passer into making mistakes.

That used to work, but most teams have quarterbacks more accustomed to pressure now and a lot of offensive schemes call more quick pass plays to counter it.

The teams with the better secondaries tend to get more turnovers as a result.

The defensive linemen do a good job of causing quarterbacks to fumble, but the secondary does not do the same with interceptions.

Bohuntr97 · Jan 3, 2020

Not sure, coaching might also be a factor. I was watching the Auburn SEC championship game and one of the commentators brought up something. He said to not expect many ints. That the Auburn DB's are taught to play through the receivers and disrupt the catch, instead of looking back for the ball. I was wondering if that is what is happening in Dallas.

big dog cowboy · Jan 3, 2020

Improve the pass rush and be aggressive on defense by getting real DT's and S's.

ClappingCarrot · Jan 3, 2020

Marinelli scheme is Marinelli scheme. It's designed to pressure the passer into making mistakes, and keeping all big plays in front of you, and not giving up the big play. Hence, bend but don't break.

It worked back in 1996 when you had guys like Jeff Blake, Bobby Hebert, Trent Dilfer, and Steve Bono throwing the football. But the past 20 years have been the golden age of NFL QB's and this system is antiquated and disgusting.

john van brocklin · Jan 3, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
Clearly that’s been the #1 problem on defense for nearly 15 years it seems. Many different DCs/head coaches and players have come through and put up good sack numbers and points/yards per game but never the INTs.

How do other teams like the Patriots do it? Is it more on the scheme or players

Techniques can be taught

Rockport · Jan 3, 2020

Reality said:
I think the real issue with the Marinelli defense is that it was designed around pressuring the passer into making mistakes.

That used to work, but most teams have quarterbacks more accustomed to pressure now and a lot of offensive schemes call more quick pass plays to counter it.

The teams with the better secondaries tend to get more turnovers as a result.

The defensive linemen do a good job of causing quarterbacks to fumble, but the secondary does not do the same with interceptions.

Marinelli’s defense is predicated on the bend but don’t break philosophy. Make them have to make long drives. They will eventually make a mistake and then you will stop them. Problem is that the players don’t like this kind of defense. Players want to stop the offense every play no matter what. It’s the natural competitive nature of players. Over time, they get fed up with giving the offense yards hoping they will make a mistake along the way. Players want to force the team to make mistakes by stopping them every damn play. It’s why the team lost faith in the coaching. Marinelli preached it and Garrett allowed it.

cowboy_ron · Jan 3, 2020

You have to have the right players for the scheme your wanting to run.

Zekeats · Jan 3, 2020

Aggressiveness not passive forces turnovers. From one extreme to the next we need to go.

jazzcat22 · Jan 3, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
Clearly that’s been the #1 problem on defense for nearly 15 years it seems. Many different DCs/head coaches and players have come through and put up good sack numbers and points/yards per game but never the INTs.

How do other teams like the Patriots do it? Is it more on the scheme or players

Have them work at McDonald's. The make some ok apple pies.
:laugh:

Actually I think it is instinctive. You can do it or not.

lane · Jan 3, 2020

Run the vaunted 4/0 defense that Landry invented on passing downs.
4 defensive lineman
1 middle linebacker usually played by Bill Bates or whoever.
6 defensive backs

They would blitz like crazy out of this formation with Michael and others like Victor Scott and Clinkscale ...it led to the reason why we had so many interceptions in the 80's that Thurman's thieves was born.

This last game against Washington they actually let Heath go and pressure the qb on numerous occasions and it was effective.

Playmaker3128 · Jan 3, 2020

Marinelli liked cover 2... I think Richard tried bringing cover 3 type concepts from seattle.

The problem is as you saw in the games vs the Jets.... Bills... and Bears. Quarterbacks that aren’t elite yet tore us up. When you sit there on defense 6-7 yards off the line of scrimmage with your lbs your basically telling the offense what’s coming.

That works if you have dominant defensive players at every level like the legion of boom or some other defenses did.

Our two best defensive games vs the eagles at home and against the rams. We played aggressive and won both easily. Causing turnovers. Shame we didn’t use those concepts more often.

uvaballa · Jan 4, 2020

Teach DB's to look back for the ball will help with the INTs instead of playing the man.

Teach the second tackler to punch and strip the ball.

Teach dline to get their hands up more especially on short drop backs.

Floatyworm · Jan 4, 2020

"Punch the football like it's Garrett's head"!!!!!!.... :popcorn:

-How Floatyworm would teach turnovers to the Dallas defense................

cowboys1981 · Jan 4, 2020

Play more man and do away with bend but don't break defense. It's hard to get an INT when we have DBs 7 yards off. By default we allow QBs to get into a rythym. We can't expect a pass rush to get to the QB consistently enough when we're soft on the back end.

alicetooljam · Jan 4, 2020

CBs have to play tighter and look for/play the ball, otherwise you are just waiting on bad throws and busted plays. Everyone, but the CBs get the ints except for flukes.

Tangle_Foot · Jan 4, 2020

I think you get back to some old school football. It's still legal to put a helmet or pads on the ball, you can also get inside of receivers heads with hard shots to the midsection resulting in shorter arms and possible tipped passes. Cornerbacks need to play the ball and not the hands as the chances for interceptions go up and flags go down when making a play on the ball.

Pass-rushers can get those arms up to obscure passing lanes to force errant throws or tips. Would be sackers use the tomahawk chop when closing in on the quarterback. Proper technique with an aggressive mindset could get you an extra game-changing possession.

nobody · Jan 4, 2020

Floatyworm said:
"Punch the football like it's Garrett's head"!!!!!!....

-How Floatyworm would teach turnovers to the Dallas defense................

I don't know about Garrett, but I'd pay good money to see that done to Jerry and watch it on a big screen.

DogFace · Jan 4, 2020

Reality said:
I think the real issue with the Marinelli defense is that it was designed around pressuring the passer into making mistakes.

That used to work, but most teams have quarterbacks more accustomed to pressure now and a lot of offensive schemes call more quick pass plays to counter it.

The teams with the better secondaries tend to get more turnovers as a result.

The defensive linemen do a good job of causing quarterbacks to fumble, but the secondary does not do the same with interceptions.

I’ve heard the bend don’t break, but never thought of it exactly the way you put it, why he uses that philosophy, and why it no longer works.

That sounds exactly right.

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