What defensive scheme you prefer?

whichever the new DC feels will work best going into 2020 season with whichever players we have. ie match their strengths..we have what 15 plus UFAs on that side of the ball, draft and pick up replacements or resigning some that will work the best..i dont think any team has one defense they run always, they vary alignments..

note:anything but bend dont break 30mins of prevent type bs..

There is no correct scheme, none that are better than others. Basically the 4-3 generates the best pass rush from 4 guys and the 3-4 was designed to better stop the run.

A successful defense is all about the coaching, the players, and the in-game calls.

Hawkeye0202 said:

It's no secret we've tried a little everything to fix our D. We brought in Rob Ryan only to fire him after a couple of years. Interestingly according to Jason at the time, Rob was fired coz they wanted to switch to a new scheme that would create more turnovers. As we know, that led to hiring Monte Kiffen and Marinelli, and quite frankly we are STILL searching for more turnovers. Honestly, I'm not sure what's best, but I do know we need to do something different.

** Stay with the current Tampa 2 variation
** Conventional 4-3
** Go back to the 3-4 we used during Parcell/DWare days.

Sidenote ......Both recent interview candidates, McCarthy and Marvin have used the 3-4. Guess my only question switching back is whether or not we have the personnel. I remember someone saying pass rush specialists are easier find under 3-4.

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One that can stop the othet team !!!!

4-3 has historically benefitted our franchise. Why change it?

No real preference ... it’s what type players you have playing the positions. I will say I do not like the philosophy of Rod’s schemes here. It leaves open gaps ..with no one home. What killed LBs this year on lots of plays. Tighter gap then LB shoots in for tackle is the design of it. They really need beef in middle or just supreme A.Donald types to change what’s been going on. What stinks is we finally get a good player like a Quinn or Bennett,and they’ll command more on market than we can afford really with Lawrance getting majority of pie on defense,and current deals coming up. So that’s going to need drafting to fix,as getting Quinn’s are few and far between in FA. I figure....whatever scheme we run anyways will take a 1-2yr period of vetting and shaping. but also that it will play better no matter what right away regardless ...I do. I think that staff was a dismail failure of a bad idea for defense. Never micro manage ...just confuses simple issues for no reason at all,other than to exersise one’s control issues themselves leading to dysfunction and bad situations like this.

Hawkeye0202 said:

It's no secret we've tried a little everything to fix our D. We brought in Rob Ryan only to fire him after a couple of years. Interestingly according to Jason at the time, Rob was fired coz they wanted to switch to a new scheme that would create more turnovers. As we know, that led to hiring Monte Kiffen and Marinelli, and quite frankly we are STILL searching for more turnovers. Honestly, I'm not sure what's best, but I do know we need to do something different.

** Stay with the current Tampa 2 variation
** Conventional 4-3
** Go back to the 3-4 we used during Parcell/DWare days.

Sidenote ......Both recent interview candidates, McCarthy and Marvin have used the 3-4. Guess my only question switching back is whether or not we have the personnel. I remember someone saying pass rush specialists are easier find under 3-4.

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Belichick switches back and forth from year to year with regards to his base defense. He switches fronts from down to down.

Pats in 2018 primarily used 4-3 on 1st downs. This season they primarily used 3-4 on 1st downs. On 2nd downs they most often use something that looks like a 4-3 except the DEs often stand up. On 3rd downs it'a undefined...sometimes using 1 DT and 6 LBs. Almost all of their LBs are 255 plus.

Guys like Ron Rivera and Gregg Williams have used a 4-3 some years and a 3-4 some years.

They got INTs in Tampa with Kiffin/Marinelli because Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice were always in the QBs face.

This is not the Tampa 2 defense, its' not an offll ine and zone defense that the Kiffin/Marinelli crew brought in ,, Cowboys under Kris Ricahrd have tried to adapt to the Seahawks style of defense in which they challenge WRs more at the line

- all except first, one year (1996?) did Marvin Lewis run the 3-4 scheme when he was in Baltimore as i recall that he's preferred the 4-3 with big boys physical bodies in the DT interior (another reason i'm warming up to him as a possible DC here) from the years he served as DC from 1996 to 2001

- i so ready for us to become a much more physical front vs Marinelli - and i'm not going back and forth into these systems that players have to have time
to adjust to.

- i dunno if McCarthy has a preference for defense scheme or does he just leave it up to his DC scheme ... my issue with him is he is like a number of
offensive minded HC's - they tend to be preocuppied with the offensive side of the ball only ... meaning if there are continuous defensive fallouts, they
decide to let the DC's handle and address it vs making changes and adjustments themselves within the personnel orcoacches.

- McCarthy stuck with the failing Dom Capers for years who ran an awful defense for years (albeit one lone turnover-led SB year) and it was the reason why GB had quick exits or eventual exits outta playoffs, remember the Seattle NFC title meltdown comeback ?

overall we are always mimicking another team's blueprint, either we go with what we only know in the 90's offense .. or we try to do waht the Rams do ..(pre-snap motion, mulit-formations, etc.) we try to run the popular RPO because it's trending and we want to mimick others.

that's why some here are hoping for Greg Roman as new HC because they want a chance at mimicking what lamar jackson does with Dak Prescott,
even though Dak is just a totally different mobile QB than the likes of a Jackson or Kap.

And so are we gonna go back to 3-4, simply because everyone else is doing it ?

We've tried Tampa 2 because it was simple and we wanted more turnovers ...we tried the Legion of Boom, because we wanted more turnovers ..we've tried Wade Phillip's 3-4 because we were still running parcell's 3-4 and he was reputed as one of the better 3-4 coaches.

xwalker said:

Belichick switches back and forth from year to year with regards to his base defense. He switches fronts from down to down.

Pats in 2018 primarily used 4-3 on 1st downs. This season they primarily used 3-4 on 1st downs. On 2nd downs they most often use something that looks like a 4-3 except the DEs often stand up. On 3rd downs it'a undefined...sometimes using 1 DT and 6 LBs. Almost all of their LBs are 255 plus.

Guys like Ron Rivera and Gregg Williams have used a 4-3 some years and a 3-4 some years.

They got INTs in Tampa with Kiffin/Marinelli because Warren Sapp and Simeon Rice were always in the QBs face.

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and they also got INTs and turnovers because John Lynch, Ronde Barber, Derrick Brooks were " Ball Hawks "

One that dictates the action and wins.