McCarthy is an analytics disciple?

The Fonz · Jan 6, 2020

Few years from now analytics will be thing of the past. MM jump on the band wagon of analytics to boost his resume.( there is nothing wrong with that)
He is not a bad coach but he is not far from Wade. This remind me of the Chan Gailey hire.

Dre11 · Jan 6, 2020

k19 said:
From a 2017 S.I. Article

DALLAS COWBOYS
The Cowboys have quietly been leaders in analytics, to the point where personnel chief Will McClay—who has a traditional scouting and coaching background—served as the team’s director of football research as a precursor to his current job as senior director of college/pro scouting. COO Stephen Jones is all-in, too. Dallas was one of the first NFL teams to implement the Catapult player tracking system that Chip Kelly used at Oregon, and the team hired data scientist Tom Robinsonto take McClay’s old spot with plans to add staff underneath him. Coach Jason Garrett, too, has been a driver in making Dallas one of the organizations more open to the changing landscape.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/28/n...-school-approach-draft-game-planning-charting

Eagles and Panthers have entire analytics departments. Carolina started this year, Phillies been at it a while
https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelp...ide-roadmap-to-analytics-driven-future-of-nfl
https://www.panthers.com/news/meet-taylor-rajack-panthers-first-director-of-football-analytics
https://theriotreport.com/carolina-panthers-are-ground-zero-in-the-battle-of-analytics/

Iol. I love these people who think all Garrett did was sit on his hands. good find. but he won't reply

Dre11 · Jan 6, 2020

NorTex said:
Analytics is meaningless if your guys don't execute or the other guys out-execute your guys. This is still just football. I think Madden videos and Fantasy football have stripped away common sense.

Garrett was a proponent of analytics. That did him/us no good when wide open players dropped passes or the QB couldn't get the ball to them. Or kickers miss kicks or punters get punts blocked. Oh, how about defensive players missing tackles...Good grief, it's just football..

exactly, analytics dont take into account the human

charron · Jan 6, 2020

Redball Express said:
True.

But I have read small bits of its place in the game.

It is subject to how much and how its info gets used.

Coaches who use it are certainly on a leading edge with the game.

Traditional coaches are not going to employ it, for sure.

I just appreciate the fact we now have it.

We've had it a long time. But Garrett called with his guy. For example on 4th and 2 analytics says go for it. But remember how we got there. 9 yard pass, -1 yard run, 0 yard run, now what go for 3 or go for the 1st? Does MM forgo all his many years of coaching experience and his guy feeling cause some snotty kid says numbers show to do something different? Having analytics and knowing when to use it is 2 different things. We will have to see how he integrates this new info.

jchap · Jan 6, 2020

The Fonz said:
Few years from now analytics will be thing of the past. MM jump on the band wagon of analytics to boost his resume.( there is nothing wrong with that)
He is not a bad coach but he is not far from Wade. This remind me of the Chan Gailey hire.

Statistics will be a thing of the past? MATH IS A FAD.

Bachman05 · Jan 6, 2020

Dre11 said:
exactly, analytics dont take into account the human

this is true , but this info can provide what would be the higher percentage play in certain situations that Mike lacked in his time at GB , i hope he does embrace this info here to make some better decisions here to win a ball game then he has done in the past

Fritsch_the_cat · Jan 6, 2020

Redball Express said:
I read where there was all this tension with McCarthy and Rodgers.

I definitely see where Rodgers was the instigator of this.

Word is Rodgers always held a grudge against McCarthy over not picking him in the 2005 draft when McCarthy was with San Fran. He blames McCarthy. Playing in SF would be basically a hometown game for Rodgers.

CelticPunk · Jan 6, 2020

The Fonz said:
Few years from now analytics will be thing of the past. MM jump on the band wagon of analytics to boost his resume.( there is nothing wrong with that)
He is not a bad coach but he is not far from Wade. This remind me of the Chan Gailey hire.

I respectfully disagree. If anything, analytics will become even more important as computers get faster and algorithms become more advanced. The fact he wants to hire a 14 person team, each with specific duties and assignments, tells me he gets the value and the almost limitless potential that exists. Think about everything IBM's Watson is able to do and they are just scratching the surface.

The Fonz · Jan 7, 2020

CelticPunk said:
I respectfully disagree. If anything, analytics will become even more important as computers get faster and algorithms become more advanced. The fact he wants to hire a 14 person team, each with specific duties and assignments, tells me he gets the value and the almost limitless potential that exists. Think about everything IBM's Watson is able to do and they are just scratching the surface.

You have a valid point ,sure It is a useful tool but it does not give you the whole picture.It is more of an intellectual curiosity .The danger here is the analytics expert starting to treat the sport like a video game, they are thinking players will always react and behave the way as the models say which is not true. I would say use it as a tool to increase your chance of wining but also rely on the traditional method as your base.
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silvernblu · Jan 7, 2020

cowboyec said:
his analytics dept.
and his idea to have 2 "futures" coaches...1 on offense...1 on defense...to study formations and plays that work....and those that don't.
not only self scouting the team...but what others are doing.
he'll use them similar to Nick Saban's think tank in bama.
very forward thinking.

this all reminds me of Landry studying offensive and defensive tendencies.

Reminds me of a story.

The Air Force commissioned a study to look into where the bullet holes were in planes that came back from war with hits. They were going to add extra shields in the areas where the planes were shot.

one guy stood up and said, why would we study the planes that made it back? We should be studying the planes that didn’t make it back!

insight matters!

CelticPunk · Jan 7, 2020

The Fonz said:
You have a valid point ,sure It is a useful tool but it does not give you the whole picture.It is more of an intellectual curiosity .The danger here is the analytics expert starting to treat the sport like a video game, they are thinking players will always react and behave the way as the models say which is not true. I would say use it as a tool to increase your chance of wining but also rely on the traditional method as your base.
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Good point. Players are human and don't always act in a predictable manner. Example: No computer model would have predicted Leon Lett would run the wrong way after a fumble recovery. It will hopefully be the combination of MM's football experience/knowledge and the analytics that will give us an edge.

doomsday9084 · Jan 7, 2020

Is the OP some form of haiku?

conner01 · Jan 7, 2020

Analytics is fine and dandy
But the most important thing MM can do is get these players to play with heart
These guys accept losing and that has to change

NorTex · Jan 7, 2020

CelticPunk said:
I respectfully disagree. If anything, analytics will become even more important as computers get faster and algorithms become more advanced. The fact he wants to hire a 14 person team, each with specific duties and assignments, tells me he gets the value and the almost limitless potential that exists. Think about everything IBM's Watson is able to do and they are just scratching the surface.

Once everyone competitor uses analytics to its optimized potential it then becomes valueless. And once again the person be

The Fonz said:
You have a valid point ,sure It is a useful tool but it does not give you the whole picture.It is more of an intellectual curiosity .The danger here is the analytics expert starting to treat the sport like a video game, they are thinking players will always react and behave the way as the models say which is not true. I would say use it as a tool to increase your chance of wining but also rely on the traditional method as your base.
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And with both teams using analytics it becomes a stalemate and you're right back to square one...

CelticPunk · Jan 7, 2020

NorTex said:
Once everyone competitor uses analytics to its optimized potential it then becomes valueless. And once again the person be

And with both teams using analytics it becomes a stalemate and you're right back to square one...

I agree to a point. Analytics is just a tool and it's only as good as the team building the algorithms and how the decision makers use the data. It's only one tool, but it's a powerful one. Not using analytics is like going into a knife fight and leaving your knife at home. To conner01's point - heart, desire, accepting nothing less than a win... that's internal and it has to start from the top to be sustainable. Analytics alone won't solve that problem.

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