Will Nolan run a 3-4 or 4-3 defense?

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Cattle_Rancher said:
Yeah Atlanta did that with Beasley, Seahawks have done that with a few guys and so has Carolina. I always felt they should of done that here with Gregory.
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and it's what what Jack Del Rio did with DWare when he landed in Denver, ...to make DWare more comfortable, took less toll and wear off his body, and he had another player take/share some
reps as well.
and its what Marinelli should have done so when DWare was here under his regime.
But some of these stone age, old school old timers are way too set in their ways, don't know anything else, and are not innovative and don't evolve.
Yet another reason why i'm so elated he's gone outta door here.
 
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I like the idea of playing multiple fronts and having special packages to confuse the offense pre-snap. Nickel defense is pretty much base these days, so be able to run a 4-2-5 and a 3-3-5 and also have something like the NASCAR package the Giants used to run.

Mix it up and don’t be predictable!!!
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That’s what I expect
Not a true 34 but use that front some
LVE is important in his scheme so hopefully he’s healthy
Lots of man coverage which I think actually fits our CB’s
I expect CB and safety to be big targets in this draft with what we have as FA and FA next year
 
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DcFootball4 said:
Think Lawrence and Smith could be rushers with LVE and maybe bring Lee back for the middle?
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i'd be interested in knowing what base defense we will likely be playing under with Nolan.
people can suggest and speculate what mix up and packages and hybrid and all. but it's a interesting point as we'll need to address the personnel need for a 3-4 scheme.

- Frankly we will desperately need that stud NT to anchor a 3-4.
If you cannot block the NT, then you're not gonna have much of a chance to control the middle.
That's why Baltimore continuously (and successfully) seeks out and brings in top notch, big boys NT run stuffers. Haloa Ntgata, Michael Pierce, Brandon Williams, etc.

- When the Saints boasted one of the top run defense, it was about getting the quality big boys in the interior.
Top defenses starts with what you do and get in the trenches, imo.
I gotta see what Nolan prefers and what McClay and Stephen do to acquire these type of players in this coming offseason.
 
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That’s what I expect
Not a true 34 but use that front some
LVE is important in his scheme so hopefully he’s healthy
Lots of man coverage which I think actually fits our CB’s
I expect CB and safety to be big targets in this draft with what we have as FA and FA next year
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yes, I agree.
- the DB issue will have to be addressed early as we have Jones, Heath and Brown set to become FAs.
And we need an upgrade new starting CB over Chido Awuzie. So we really need/will have an overhaul and a new secondary.

- But we also need the key horses up front in the trenches to begin the upgrade and difference-making in how we play defense.
We cannot continue to be " out-physical " as Jerry has said in post game comments. And we have to be more discipline and disruptive as what we have been.
and no more of these low-regarded, bargain- based street, minimal talent FAs that we depended upon to be 1 techs, ala Woods, Hayden, Ash, McClain, Thorton, Paea, etc.
Because Marinelli has such low regards to that position.

- Tight End is yet another target I feel we need to upgrade. and mobile-athletic pass catching TE has always been essential in McCarthy's pass offense (Finley, Cook, Graham, etc)
But Jarwin seems far more of a H-Back like than he is a TE. We're gonna have to have someone that contributes better in the run game than Jarwin.
Schultz is simply JAG, imo. A total post-witten retirement panic draft mistake.

- LVE an Jaylon are gonna be important in any scheme we employ. But again, it's very critical that we have the difference making horses up front in the trenches that will
best allow them to flow to the ball much better without being picked off in traffic and at the point by opposing blocking OL.
Having those type DL can even cover up missteps by LBs to a certain degree.
 
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Jaylon Smith could not play OLB in a 3-4. At least not at the NFL level. He could be a very effective ILB...especially in a blitzing role, but he could not be a OLB. Tank possibly could, but it's one of those things where it makes no sense given the money we have already invested in him. And we have literally no D-linemen who can play in a 3-4. We would need a NT and 2 DEs..
 
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yes, I agree.
- the DB issue will have to be addressed early as we have Jones, Heath and Brown set to become FAs.
And we need an upgrade new starting CB over Chido Awuzie. So we really need/will have an overhaul and a new secondary.

- But we also need the key horses up front in the trenches to begin the upgrade and difference-making in how we play defense.
We cannot continue to be " out-physical " as Jerry has said in post game comments. And we have to be more discipline and disruptive as what we have been.
and no more of these low-regarded, bargain- based street, minimal talent FAs that we depended upon to be 1 techs, ala Woods, Hayden, Ash, McClain, Thorton, Paea, etc.
Because Marinelli has such low regards to that position.

- Tight End is yet another target I feel we need to upgrade. and mobile-athletic pass catching TE has always been essential in McCarthy's pass offense (Finley, Cook, Graham, etc)
But Jarwin seems far more of a H-Back like than he is a TE. We're gonna have to have someone that contributes better in the run game than Jarwin.
Schultz is simply JAG, imo. A total post-witten retirement panic draft mistake.

- LVE an Jaylon are gonna be important in any scheme we employ. But again, it's very critical that we have the difference making horses up front in the trenches that will
best allow them to flow to the ball much better without being picked off in traffic and at the point by opposing blocking OL.
Having those type DL can even cover up missteps by LBs to a certain degree.
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We need more than we can get this one off season
But looking at this draft safety and CB will have quality players at 17 and CB appears deep in this class
I think the opportunity to fix the secondary in this draft will be there
The Dline is gonna have to come in FA
If we can keep Quinn that’s makes it easier
 
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quickccc said:
and it's what what Jack Del Rio did with DWare when he landed in Denver, ...to make DWare more comfortable, took less toll and wear off his body, and he had another player take/share some
reps as well.
and its what Marinelli should have done so when DWare was here under his regime.
But some of these stone age, old school old timers are way too set in their ways, don't know anything else, and are not innovative and don't evolve.
Yet another reason why i'm so elated he's gone outta door here.
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Yeah that was one of my biggest problems with Rod and Kiffin no innovation just same old Tampa 2 that the Cowboys didn’t have the players to run.
 
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We need more than we can get this one off season
But looking at this draft safety and CB will have quality players at 17 and CB appears deep in this class
I think the opportunity to fix the secondary in this draft will be there
The Dline is gonna have to come in FA
If we can keep Quinn that’s makes it easier
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- it does indeed if we can keep Quinn. although he's not a long term fixture and solution given his age.
But there also is the concern if Quinn can be a suitable fit as a 3-4 OLB. A role he struggled at in Miami.

- Free agency is gonna be a trickery one since Stephen has shown conservative nature on signing big name FA vets.
So it's not concrete at all that we nab the DL difference makers we need to have through the FA market.

- Stephen believes in working through the draft, or making occasional key trades (ala Cooper, Quinn,) but he wont spend big in FA.
he prefers resorting to bargain based " fillers " in FA. (ala antwuann woods, darian thompson) Not difference makers.

- Plus when it comes to the draft - I believe in going/sticking with the very best player according to your draft board order.
If it's a high regarded DL draftee dropping to your draft spot, you draft him. ..if it's a CB, ..a TE...
Conner Williams was already here and planted as a starting LG, but the Cowboys still drafted another interior guy in Connor McGovern.

- Regardless of what teams are gonna say, it's far more likely to be a position of need than the very best player period,
For instance RB Dalvin Cook was so very highly regarded on Cowboys draft board such as to have a 1st round grade on him, but with Zeke already here
as an impact NFL rushing champion, you knew we were not gonna draft Cook.
 
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I saw with the Nolan signing for DC that he has run both a 34 and 43 D. I’m not a huge fan of going back to a 34 but would be open IF we could finally get a true NT. Opinions on this?
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yes

I’m sure others mentioned it but I imagine we see a hybrid
 
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Jaylon Smith could not play OLB in a 3-4. At least not at the NFL level. He could be a very effective ILB...especially in a blitzing role, but he could not be a OLB. Tank possibly could, but it's one of those things where it makes no sense given the money we have already invested in him. And we have literally no D-linemen who can play in a 3-4. We would need a NT and 2 DEs..
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It takes more open field coverage responsibility as a OLB in the 4-3 scheme than it would be as a 3-4 OLB, to which he would be rushing forward up field vs the QB,. than what
he would be retrieving backwards into coverage or taking on isolation coverage more so.

Physically wise, if Jaylon's weight is in the 250-260 range, that's just about the same as the likes of Gregory and TJ Watt, so weight range shouldn't be a problem- but he would
have to be groomed and developed well now as a 3-4 edge rusher.
and since he would be new at this full time role, he would not initially be as efficient at edge rushing as a Gregory or Watt is.

Plus it's just not a fit or natural with any or every other player.
Even Quinn struggled as a 3-4 OLB. But ironically he seems much more natural and comfortable as a 4-3 edge rushing DE.

I do agree with you with us needing a stud NT and two really good DE's.
i'm not counting on Crawford to be a 3-4 end, who could well be a cap casualty this offseason. and is more of a utility rotation guy than impact starter.
 
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quickccc said:
- it does indeed if we can keep Quinn. although he's not a long term fixture and solution given his age.
But there also is the concern if Quinn can be a suitable fit as a 3-4 OLB. A role he struggled at in Miami.

- Free agency is gonna be a trickery one since Stephen has shown conservative nature on signing big name FA vets.
So it's not concrete at all that we nab the DL difference makers we need to have through the FA market.

- Stephen believes in working through the draft, or making occasional key trades (ala Cooper, Quinn,) but he wont spend big in FA.
he prefers resorting to bargain based " fillers " in FA. (ala antwuann woods, darian thompson) Not difference makers.

- Plus when it comes to the draft - I believe in going/sticking with the very best player according to your draft board order.
If it's a high regarded DL draftee dropping to your draft spot, you draft him. ..if it's a CB, ..a TE...
Conner Williams was already here and planted as a starting LG, but the Cowboys still drafted another interior guy in Connor McGovern.

- Regardless of what teams are gonna say, it's far more likely to be a position of need than the very best player period,
For instance RB Dalvin Cook was so very highly regarded on Cowboys draft board such as to have a 1st round grade on him, but with Zeke already here
as an impact NFL rushing champion, you knew we were not gonna draft Cook.
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Need is always a factor and this draft looks to be setup to fill secondary needs but not so much Dline
 
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conner01 said:
Need is always a factor and this draft looks to be setup to fill secondary needs but not so much Dline
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we desperately need an upgrade to the interior DL. That's a so-much for us in the draft.
and if we are switching to a 3-4 base. we will need a stud NT and top quality.3-4 DEs. Cameron Jordan-types, ..not just scrub JAG- fillers in FA.
 
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I don't care which defense, though I'm leaning toward the 4-3 because adjusting to a 3-4 would surely take more than one draft. Just make sure Smith is going forward because he's afraid of re-injuring his knee, and instead of planting his foot and fighting, he tends to let blockers push him around when he takes a bad angle.
 
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quickccc said:
we desperately need an upgrade to the interior DL. That's a so-much for us in the draft.
and if we are switching to a 3-4 base. we will need a stud NT and top quality.3-4 DEs. Cameron Jordan-types, ..not just scrub JAG- fillers in FA.
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I don’t think we switch to 3/4 but just looking at this draft it looks to me the quality is gonna be at safety and CB at 17
Now someone could fall but good DT’s or edge rusher don’t generally fall
Hopefully Nolan can get something out of hill.
 
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quickccc said:
Hasn't Chandler Jones been making it work in a 3-4 scheme ? So why cannot Dlaw in the same sense.
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Jones came from the Patriots which were primarily running a 34 then... nothing changed going to Arizona. Lawrence has put alot of time getting his weight from 251 when drafted to around the 270 he's at now. Don't really see him flexible enough to drop into coverage and his 4.8 combine speed at 251 probably hasn't gotten any better!
 
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If it's a 3-4 then we're in trouble for next year. Pieces are there so we wouldn't be very good at it.

So I'm hoping it's a 4-3.
 
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