Super Bowl or Bust. How long does Mike get?

CowboyRoy · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I see no reason our expectations shouldn’t be elevated with a SB experienced HC.

Like any coach, McCarthy needs to produce or get fired. However, much of that will depend on how he coaches and the talent Jerry provides him. 2 years is certainly a great place to make a big evaluation. Definitely 10 years.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Your "support" of Garrett is exactly what was misplaced.

And you can see quite plainly that your notion that we would just hire another puppet has also been proven dead wrong. The entire 10 years, your support was wrong and out of touch.

Case closed!!

Again my support of Garrett revolves around the notion that throughout the last 25 years we were mostly delegated to Puppetry coaching with the exception of Bill who was also detoured from the undermining and meddling.

I think it was a reasonable assertion to have lost hope with Jerry. And bare with me that I’m still suspect Jerry will spoil this hire as well.

And like I’ve mentioned before the support of Garrett was also a Mockery of my main target and concern which has foiled our success this generation.

I’m not sure you’ve ever grasped my entire angle on all of this. But I’ll give you credit as you haven’t followed me for the last 12 years as many have.

CowboyRoy · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Again my support of Garrett revolves around the notion that throughout the last 25 years we were mostly delegated to Puppetry coaching with the exception of Bill who was also detoured from the undermining and meddling.

I think it was a reasonable assertion to have lost hope with Jerry. And bare with me that I’m still suspect Jerry will spoil this hire as well.

And like I’ve mentioned before the support of Garrett was also a Mockery of my main target and concern which has foiled our success this generation.

I’m not sure you’ve ever grasped my entire angle on all of this. But I’ll give you credit as you haven’t followed me for the last 12 years as many have.

Its a dumb reason to support a coach. And since we just hired McCarthy a REAL HC, then it should be more than obvious that your laughable claim was dead wrong.

And AGAIN, after long periods of poor success, Jerry has proven to go out and hire a REAL HC. Which he just did again, which you were told over and over would happen, yet argued otherwise.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Its a dumb reason to support a coach. And since we just hired McCarthy a REAL HC, then it should be more than obvious that your laughable claim was dead wrong.

And AGAIN, after long periods of poor success, Jerry has proven to go out and hire a REAL HC. Which he just did again, which you were told over and over would happen, yet argued otherwise.

There were many fans like myself without hope with Jerry. And like with Bill it’s not cemented he won’t interfere and detour the results again.

It doubtful Mike will be able to operate in same fashion without undermining and meddling . And like Troy pointed out a few weeks ago the buck will always stop with Jerry such is a dysfunctional manner to run a NFL team.

My expectations have been elevated with a more proven HC but I’m still suspect Jerry will somehow foil the hire much like with Bill.

It’s hilarious to me that this hire after 25 years of Puppetry coaching some how validates your argument.

In the end regardless of our coaching I think we are pretty well screwed with Jerry at the helm. We shall see.

And I had fun with my support of Garrett mocking Jerry’s dysfunctional ways. It gave me something to root for in an otherwise hopeless situation.

Flamma · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
So division titles and a few playoff wins is ok. Similar to what we’ve had. Not raising the bar?

How you can come to that conclusion is beyond me. One, maybe two seasons out of 9 under Garrett did I consider the Cowboys highly competitive. The other 7 seasons Dallas was hardly competitive. Regardless of how good you are it's no guarantee you're winning the SB. But you always have that chance the more often you are in the mix. You also get to enjoy the season as opposed to the crap we've had the past decade.

Although ending in disappointment, do you think the 2007 Patriots fans or 2011 Packers fans didn't enjoy those seasons? In the Super Bowl conversation all season long. I'll take that over 8-8 any day. Because there is no hope with 8-8.

CowboyRoy · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
There were many fans like myself without hope with Jerry. And like with Bill it’s not cemented he won’t interfere and detour the results again.

It doubtful Mike will be able to operate in same fashion without undermining and meddling . And like Troy pointed out a few weeks ago the buck will always stop with Jerry such is a dysfunctional manner to run a NFL team.

My expectations have been elevated with a more proven HC but I’m still suspect Jerry will somehow foil the hire much like with Bill.

It’s hilarious to me that this hire after 25 years of Puppetry coaching some how validates your argument.

In the end regardless of our coaching I think we are pretty well screwed with Jerry at the helm. We shall see.

Great, now back to coaching. You were wrong. And Jerry is already conceding more power to McCarthy then he did with Garrett.

Whether it will work or not is a completely different conversation.

atlantacowboy · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I agree . My mandate is based on Jerry’s rhetoric along with much of the media and fans who believe this team is talented enough to make more noise in the playoffs.

This wasn’t a hire for success 3-5 years like it was with Bill needing a rebuild. And why I believe he will have a short leash from here on out whoever he hires.

I think McCarthy has a 1 year grace period. We have all our draft picks this year and 80 million in cap space. It will be interesting to see how McCarthy makes over this roster.

Chocolate Lab · Jan 7, 2020

LOL. The Garrett fan who thought expectations should be lowered with Garrett and was happy with his decade of mediocrity thinks McCarthy should have an extremely short leash.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Great, now back to coaching. You were wrong. And Jerry is already conceding more power to McCarthy then he did with Garrett.

Whether it will work or not is a completely different conversation.

We shall see. But not many fans I know or local media’s I follow over the last 25 years of Puppet era had much hope Jerry would make a good hire again. It’s not a right or wrong scenario to me.

Like I said. I never said he wouldn’t just had lost hope he would.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

Chocolate Lab said:
LOL. The Garrett fan who thought expectations should be lowered with Garrett and was happy with his decade of mediocrity thinks McCarthy should have an extremely short leash.

Who said I was happy with it. I waved my white flag years ago after Bill left turning in my season tickets after 4 decades.

It’s interesting how fans only focus on a decade of mediocrity when it’s actually been a quarter of a century.

OmerV · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I’m basing this mandate and expectations on what Jerry, Stephen and a bulk of the media and fans who think this team is talented enough to contend now.

Lesser coaching was holding us back. That’s not an excuse anymore and why based on this rhetoric we should Expect to win now.

I’m suspect like yourself as I see talent weaknesses as well which held us back but this coaching move wasn’t about rebuilding a team. Most analysts believed this team has enough to make noise now .

But the problem is you equate "contend" with "have to win the Super Bowl in 1-2 years or your fired". Those really aren't synonymous.

JW82 · Jan 7, 2020

Here's what I want. He has 5 years, get to the playoffs 4 of the 5, get to the division or Championship round each time. Hopefully a ring or 2 comes out of this, but to be in the mix every year is what I want. When I think of teams in the mix, every year, it's the Pats, Steelers, Packers, Ravens and Saints. Aside from the pats, they each have 1 ring under their coaches. Make us the Packers under his coaching and i will be very happy. I want to always feel we can contend. Haven't felt that feeling in 14 years at least.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

OmerV said:
But the problem is you equate "contend" with "have to win the Super Bowl in 1-2 years or your fired". Those really aren't synonymous.

It’s my mandate . I dont expect everyone to embrace it.

But I’m thinking it’s pretty close to Jerry’s as well.
And that’s really the only one that matters.

OmerV · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
It’s my mandate . I dont expect everyone to embrace it.

But I’m thinking it’s pretty close to Jerry’s as well. And that’s really the only one that matters.

But you haven't just claimed this as yours. The issue is you've attributed the same thing to Jerry as well. I don't see a shred of reason to believe Jerry thinks as you do. Jerry wanting to win now doesn't somehow translate into McCarthy only has 1-2 years to win the Super Bowl or he's fired.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

OmerV said:
But you haven't just claimed this as yours. The issue is you've attributed the same thing to Jerry as well. I don't see a shred of reason to believe Jerry thinks as you do. Jerry wanting to win now doesn't somehow translate into McCarthy only has 1-2 years to win the Super Bowl or he's fired.

I’m not sure why I’m expected to convince you of my opinion?

OmerV · Jan 7, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I’m not sure why I’m expected to convince you of my opinion?

If it were just your opinion this would have ended a long time ago with us just agreeing to disagree. What has perpetuated this is you attributing the same opinion to Jerry, and then supporting that with a bunch of false premises.

DarthVander · Jan 7, 2020

Ya, I would agree with some of the people here saying 3 years. If it doesn’t work out then I would say we do a coaching rebuild with Urban Meyer or even someone like Greg Roman/Jim Harbaugh...if they’re not already taken.

Reverend Conehead · Jan 7, 2020

His contract is for 5 years, so 5 years.

Diehardblues · Jan 7, 2020

OmerV said:
If it were just your opinion this would have ended a long time ago with us just agreeing to disagree. What has perpetuated this is you attributing the same opinion to Jerry, and then supporting that with a bunch of false premises.

That’s what I believe to be true. How else should I present it?

MikeB80 · Jan 7, 2020

Jerry was up Parcells rear end in October of 2004 after some tough losses to Pittsburgh and New York. This was with a team that released their starting qb and essentially had no expectations once testaverde took over. Jerry essentially forced Eddie George on the roster and then sort of insisted that Drew Henson start vs Chicago.

so I would say Mike McCarthy better get to winning fast. Seeing that Archer said Garrett was fired for not meeting expectations that means McCarthy is already under pressure. He has no room for error and I imagine three years will be the tipping point if he hasn't succeeded.

some Markers that he needs to meet IMO:

Win the east
Win a divisional round playoff game
Win a Road Playoff game ( Not done since 92)
Get to a super bowl.

This is a situation like Dungy and Gruden. Gruden was their to solve the equation Dungy could not and that is the current situation with Mike McCarthy.

Super Bowl or Bust. How long does Mike get?

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