Bob Sturm Has Been Great To Listen To About McCarthy

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Now, the question of a contract for a RB will always remain. But McCarthy being the coach doesn’t necessarily mean a less productive Zeke. Just a different type of production. Less carries, but more catches and use in the passing game.
Right, you don't justify a bad contract at the cost of offensive efficiency.

Cowboys 1st-Half Yards & Scoring by Run Frequency Run
less than 40% (5 games) 252 yards, 14.4 pts
Run 40-44% (6 games) 209 yards 13.8 pts
Run more than 44% (5 games) 186 yards 10.2 pts

Dallas was dead last in 2019 in % of passes that were targeted at or behind the LOS.
 

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Bob Sturm has been great to listen to these last 2 days about McCarthy. He said he has watched every single snap of both McCarthy and Garrett's career. He said he wrote an extensive article in The Athletic on McCarthy. Starting with his younger years and how he got to Green Bay. I wish I could read it.

In this past segment, he shot down these comparisons of him and Garrett and I had no idea how different they were in their approaches. Here are a few differences and some of the stat rankings may be off a little since its off top of my head.

On 1st and 10, Jason was 1st in the NFL running the ball. McCarthy was 32nd.

On 4th and 4+ in the first 3 quarters (Bob took out the 4th quarter ones due to desperation), Garrett is pretty much dead last in attempts and McCarthy is at the top.

While Garrett has only coached 76% of McCarthy's career, he has less total challenges than McCarthy has challenges won. That's pretty crazy. He said Garrett was way too conservative with challenges and took the approach its better to save them and then a lot of the time, that time never came so they were wasted. 45 total challenges in 10 years seems very low, seeing as you get 2 per game x16 x10.

On 2nd and 10, McCarthy was towards the top of the league in passing the ball. Garrett was towards the bottom.

That is the biggest difference for me. The approach on 1st and 2nd downs. 2nd and 10 was a running down for us. Never failed. And we would always get into 3rd down, many times 3rd and long. McCarthy actually prefers to pass on 2nd and 10. Now lets see if that changes now that he has Zeke and Dak as opposed to Rodgers and no real run game.

Bob said 2 of the biggest reasons McCarthy gets the label as being a Garrett like conservative coach is a few instances. One being the 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle. Where he kicked a FG on 4th and goal from the 1. They scored on 5 possessions before the 4th qtr and only had 19 points. 1 TD and 4FGs. I remember that game and he definitely went the route of Turtle Tom and tried to run the clock more than trying to actively win the game. I thought that was a huge blunder. They should have easily won that game.

And the other instances is he had a tendency to get conservative in playoff games.

But he definitely does not run an antiquated early 90s offense like Garrett.

But you highlight by one of the issues I have seen some have with McCarthy.

He can sometimes forget his running game. And when you just made Elliott the highest paid running back in football.
 

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Bob Sturm has been great to listen to these last 2 days about McCarthy. He said he has watched every single snap of both McCarthy and Garrett's career. He said he wrote an extensive article in The Athletic on McCarthy. Starting with his younger years and how he got to Green Bay. I wish I could read it.

In this past segment, he shot down these comparisons of him and Garrett and I had no idea how different they were in their approaches. Here are a few differences and some of the stat rankings may be off a little since its off top of my head.

On 1st and 10, Jason was 1st in the NFL running the ball. McCarthy was 32nd.

On 4th and 4+ in the first 3 quarters (Bob took out the 4th quarter ones due to desperation), Garrett is pretty much dead last in attempts and McCarthy is at the top.

While Garrett has only coached 76% of McCarthy's career, he has less total challenges than McCarthy has challenges won. That's pretty crazy. He said Garrett was way too conservative with challenges and took the approach its better to save them and then a lot of the time, that time never came so they were wasted. 45 total challenges in 10 years seems very low, seeing as you get 2 per game x16 x10.

On 2nd and 10, McCarthy was towards the top of the league in passing the ball. Garrett was towards the bottom.

That is the biggest difference for me. The approach on 1st and 2nd downs. 2nd and 10 was a running down for us. Never failed. And we would always get into 3rd down, many times 3rd and long. McCarthy actually prefers to pass on 2nd and 10. Now lets see if that changes now that he has Zeke and Dak as opposed to Rodgers and no real run game.

Bob said 2 of the biggest reasons McCarthy gets the label as being a Garrett like conservative coach is a few instances. One being the 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle. Where he kicked a FG on 4th and goal from the 1. They scored on 5 possessions before the 4th qtr and only had 19 points. 1 TD and 4FGs. I remember that game and he definitely went the route of Turtle Tom and tried to run the clock more than trying to actively win the game. I thought that was a huge blunder. They should have easily won that game.

And the other instances is he had a tendency to get conservative in playoff games.

But he definitely does not run an antiquated early 90s offense like Garrett.

What does Sturm think About the hire overall? Hard to think of anyone who is opinions I trust more than him.
 

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I think a lot of the downer on Mccarthy is based on that last season in GB. Frankly I don’t blame him for the way it ended there, Rodgers is a total diva and the way he’s going the one SB is all he is going to win.
 

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I wouldn't worry so much about the lack of running game. He just never really had good backs to utilize outside Eddy Lacy who was pretty good in his time in Green Bay. But Lacy isn't even close to Zeke. I think he'll know how to get the most out of ALL our weapons. He'd be foolish not to and he sounds like a pretty smart football guy.
 

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None of this is about his contract. He's being paid to be the Best back in the NFL, the rushing leader year in, year out. You can get a pass catching RB who can also give you good yards on 10 to 15 carries for half the price.


I didn’t say it does. I specifically mentioned that the argument of whether to pay RB’s or not is still an argument to be made.

what I’m saying is. McCarthy being hired doesn’t mean Zeke will be any less productive or part of the offense, than he was with Garrett as HC. Production can come in various forms.
 

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Bob Sturm has been great to listen to these last 2 days about McCarthy. He said he has watched every single snap of both McCarthy and Garrett's career. He said he wrote an extensive article in The Athletic on McCarthy. Starting with his younger years and how he got to Green Bay. I wish I could read it.

In this past segment, he shot down these comparisons of him and Garrett and I had no idea how different they were in their approaches. Here are a few differences and some of the stat rankings may be off a little since its off top of my head.

On 1st and 10, Jason was 1st in the NFL running the ball. McCarthy was 32nd.

On 4th and 4+ in the first 3 quarters (Bob took out the 4th quarter ones due to desperation), Garrett is pretty much dead last in attempts and McCarthy is at the top.

While Garrett has only coached 76% of McCarthy's career, he has less total challenges than McCarthy has challenges won. That's pretty crazy. He said Garrett was way too conservative with challenges and took the approach its better to save them and then a lot of the time, that time never came so they were wasted. 45 total challenges in 10 years seems very low, seeing as you get 2 per game x16 x10.

On 2nd and 10, McCarthy was towards the top of the league in passing the ball. Garrett was towards the bottom.

That is the biggest difference for me. The approach on 1st and 2nd downs. 2nd and 10 was a running down for us. Never failed. And we would always get into 3rd down, many times 3rd and long. McCarthy actually prefers to pass on 2nd and 10. Now lets see if that changes now that he has Zeke and Dak as opposed to Rodgers and no real run game.

Bob said 2 of the biggest reasons McCarthy gets the label as being a Garrett like conservative coach is a few instances. One being the 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle. Where he kicked a FG on 4th and goal from the 1. They scored on 5 possessions before the 4th qtr and only had 19 points. 1 TD and 4FGs. I remember that game and he definitely went the route of Turtle Tom and tried to run the clock more than trying to actively win the game. I thought that was a huge blunder. They should have easily won that game.

And the other instances is he had a tendency to get conservative in playoff games.

But he definitely does not run an antiquated early 90s offense like Garrett.
McCarthy was highly successful with challenges against the Cowboys.
 

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One thing I love about this hire is McCarthy knows clock management. Clapper was a disaster in this department. He never learned to tell time. Can't wait for next year!!!
 

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He used to. Too many posters gave him a hard time. Haven't seen him post in a really long time. I think he just decided to move on. Can't blame him, our loss.

Far too many good posters being run off because people are so militant about things. Not near enough civility here at times.

Also is someone claims to have inside info people berate them to death.
 

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One thing I love about this hire is McCarthy knows clock management. Clapper was a disaster in this department. He never learned to tell time. Can't wait for next year!!!

Nope.

McCarthy was notoriously poor with clock management during his time in GB.

Even Blogging The Boys knows "One of the more common critiques of McCarthy during his days in Green Bay, even when the team was winning, was his clock management skills. Head-scratching timeouts were frequent occurrences, among other issues. It was such a problem that McCarthy relinquished play-calling duties to focus more on overall head coach responsibilities, although he took back those duties after offensive struggles."

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-success-with-the-cowboys-ravens-kellen-moore

"McCarthy doesn’t seem to have any idea what to do on fourth down anymore. He’s terrible at clock management."

https://totalpackers.com/2018/11/mike-mccarthy-says-mike-mccarthy-needs-to-coach-better/

"Paul Noonan of AcmePackingCompany.com defined wasted timeouts as those used before the two-minute warning in the first half, and before the final five minutes of the second half. And by that measurement, the Packers lead the league, with 14 wasted timeouts so far this season."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/18/packers-wasting-timeouts-far-more-than-most-teams/
 

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I’m a big Sturm fan. And certainly offensive philosophy wise Garrett and McCarthy are very different. But there are similarities too primarily in how each are seen as poor situational game managers. Also, both had the reputation of getting very stale with their playbooks through the years. I did see where McCarthy’s teams only were slightly better from a statistical standpoint than Garrett’s teams and defensively his teams were slightly worse than Garrett’s. Now don’t get me wrong, I do think McCarthy is an upgrade but I am a little concerned that GB hired ML and he turned them around so quickly.
 

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You can hear a couple of segments at the ticket’s website

http://www.theticket.com/2016/06/15/podcasts/

one thing he unequivocally said was that there was zero chance that the 2019 Cowboys miss the playoffs of McCarthy was here.
If it’s McCarthy year 1 or 2 I agree with him. If it’s McCarthy year 12 or 13 like it was Garrett year 10 I’m not so sure. It’s probably not a fair comparison TBH. McCarthy got 4 wins in 12 games with a team that a first year coach just went 13-3 with. I think McCarthy’s 2018 was as bad or worse of an effort as Garrett’s 2019.
 

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What does Sturm think About the hire overall? Hard to think of anyone who is opinions I trust more than him.

I heard him yesterday and he said he was surprised. Surprised that Jerry would go for him, as he is a no nonsense coach. He said he’s the closest thing to Big Bill out there.
 

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Nope.

McCarthy was notoriously poor with clock management during his time in GB.

Even Blogging The Boys knows "One of the more common critiques of McCarthy during his days in Green Bay, even when the team was winning, was his clock management skills. Head-scratching timeouts were frequent occurrences, among other issues. It was such a problem that McCarthy relinquished play-calling duties to focus more on overall head coach responsibilities, although he took back those duties after offensive struggles."

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-success-with-the-cowboys-ravens-kellen-moore

"McCarthy doesn’t seem to have any idea what to do on fourth down anymore. He’s terrible at clock management."

https://totalpackers.com/2018/11/mike-mccarthy-says-mike-mccarthy-needs-to-coach-better/

"Paul Noonan of AcmePackingCompany.com defined wasted timeouts as those used before the two-minute warning in the first half, and before the final five minutes of the second half. And by that measurement, the Packers lead the league, with 14 wasted timeouts so far this season."

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/18/packers-wasting-timeouts-far-more-than-most-teams/

I don't know who you are, but I like you.
 

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If it’s McCarthy year 1 or 2 I agree with him. If it’s McCarthy year 12 or 13 like it was Garrett year 10 I’m not so sure. It’s probably not a fair comparison TBH. McCarthy got 4 wins in 12 games with a team that a first year coach just went 13-3 with. I think McCarthy’s 2018 was as bad or worse of an effort as Garrett’s 2019.
Didn’t Rogers miss like 10 games in 2017 and have a broken leg in 2018? Not saying that explains everything at all but his last two years, his QB wasn’t physically at his best
 
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