Bob Sturm Has Been Great To Listen To About McCarthy

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The Zeke Contract is looking worse and worse to me.

If I'm McCarthy Zeke is on a very short leash. A bit of time to get with the program, and you better, or I'll find a way to pull a Hershel Walker deal. Jimmy all over again. No favors. Straight football. No clownage. No dogging it. U clown U out. U dog U out. U putter u out. U pout U out. U be stupid in public places U out. Be absolutely elite. He was paid to be absolutely elite. Zeke who? Show me. For the record I think Zeke is elite but it's going to take a hell of a coach to see it again. Because he is a lazy clown. Sign of the times. I give him 2 more years here at best really.
 

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If it’s McCarthy year 1 or 2 I agree with him. If it’s McCarthy year 12 or 13 like it was Garrett year 10 I’m not so sure. It’s probably not a fair comparison TBH. McCarthy got 4 wins in 12 games with a team that a first year coach just went 13-3 with. I think McCarthy’s 2018 was as bad or worse of an effort as Garrett’s 2019.
Yeah because this 2019 Packers roster is EXACTLY the same as last year's.

:rolleyes:
 

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I heard him yesterday and he said he was surprised. Surprised that Jerry would go for him, as he is a no nonsense coach. He said he’s the closest thing to Big Bill out there.

Mac is absolutely no-nonsense. There is no fluff, no BS, and no drama with Mac. He is as authentic as they come.

But, but, but he is nothing like Bill Parcells and is actually known as a players coach.
So did most Packers fans hate him this much, or are you kind of an outlier?

I don't actually hate McCarthy. I rank him as a 6 on a scale of 1-10.

I also do NOT believe he is principally responsible for squandering the Packers' opportunity to return to another Super Bowl after winning one in 2010 with a very young team and a QB who would go on to win two subsequent MVP awards (2011 and 2014).

That honor belongs to GB's former GM Ted Thompson.

As for Packers fans generally, they are very split over McCarthy's legacy (and Rodgers' legacy for that matter).

Mac was never an arse or a phony and he definitely played up a working man persona that resonated with much of the fan base.

However, as time wore on and he failed to make necessary adjustments (and the division got better with Zim in Minnesota and the Bears finally becoming relevant) the "we do what we do approach" lost its luster and more and more fans began coming around to the idea that perhaps he was not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

The fact that the Packers went 13-3 this season without Rodgers playing all that well (and with literally 1 worthy receiving option) opened up the eyes of a lot of Packer fans who suddenly began asking why McCarthy refused to feature RB Aaron Jones (running and passing), never committed to a running attack, and all but ignored the D and STs for so many years.

LIS, I think Dallas can win a SB with Mac, but man it is going to be fascinating to see how he play in big D.
 

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I don't see McCarthy committing to a heavy run game. One of two things will happen, IMO. Either he will get pass happy with Dak and Zeke will become a much smaller part of the Offensive game plan or Dak will fail miserably and McCarthy will be gone because he failed to develop Dak. Now if that later happens, I don't see us moving on for a good 3 seasons, which basically puts Zeke at the end of his career, in terms of being able to dominate. I just don't really see the contract working out.
Interesting—after the hire I asked my buddy who’s a diehard Packers fan about McCarthy. His first comment was “he won’t give up on the run.”
 

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Bob Sturm has been great to listen to these last 2 days about McCarthy. He said he has watched every single snap of both McCarthy and Garrett's career. He said he wrote an extensive article in The Athletic on McCarthy. Starting with his younger years and how he got to Green Bay. I wish I could read it.

In this past segment, he shot down these comparisons of him and Garrett and I had no idea how different they were in their approaches. Here are a few differences and some of the stat rankings may be off a little since its off top of my head.

On 1st and 10, Jason was 1st in the NFL running the ball. McCarthy was 32nd.

On 4th and 4+ in the first 3 quarters (Bob took out the 4th quarter ones due to desperation), Garrett is pretty much dead last in attempts and McCarthy is at the top.

While Garrett has only coached 76% of McCarthy's career, he has less total challenges than McCarthy has challenges won. That's pretty crazy. He said Garrett was way too conservative with challenges and took the approach its better to save them and then a lot of the time, that time never came so they were wasted. 45 total challenges in 10 years seems very low, seeing as you get 2 per game x16 x10.

On 2nd and 10, McCarthy was towards the top of the league in passing the ball. Garrett was towards the bottom.

That is the biggest difference for me. The approach on 1st and 2nd downs. 2nd and 10 was a running down for us. Never failed. And we would always get into 3rd down, many times 3rd and long. McCarthy actually prefers to pass on 2nd and 10. Now lets see if that changes now that he has Zeke and Dak as opposed to Rodgers and no real run game.

Bob said 2 of the biggest reasons McCarthy gets the label as being a Garrett like conservative coach is a few instances. One being the 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle. Where he kicked a FG on 4th and goal from the 1. They scored on 5 possessions before the 4th qtr and only had 19 points. 1 TD and 4FGs. I remember that game and he definitely went the route of Turtle Tom and tried to run the clock more than trying to actively win the game. I thought that was a huge blunder. They should have easily won that game.

And the other instances is he had a tendency to get conservative in playoff games.

But he definitely does not run an antiquated early 90s offense like Garrett.

The reason fans compare him to Garrett is because of perceptions about his personality (i.e. He comes across as a regular Joe...).

Fans are not informed enough to know anything about his actual coaching history.
 

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If McCarthy is as pass happy as stated, its going to be real interesting how he approaches the game with Dak who doesn't have Aaron Rodgers vision or accuracy.
 

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If he’s worth anything as an offensive coach he’ll be able to figure out how to use all the weapons at his disposal and that Dak isn’t Rodgers.
 

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Bob Sturm has been great to listen to these last 2 days about McCarthy. He said he has watched every single snap of both McCarthy and Garrett's career. He said he wrote an extensive article in The Athletic on McCarthy. Starting with his younger years and how he got to Green Bay. I wish I could read it.

In this past segment, he shot down these comparisons of him and Garrett and I had no idea how different they were in their approaches. Here are a few differences and some of the stat rankings may be off a little since its off top of my head.

On 1st and 10, Jason was 1st in the NFL running the ball. McCarthy was 32nd.

On 4th and 4+ in the first 3 quarters (Bob took out the 4th quarter ones due to desperation), Garrett is pretty much dead last in attempts and McCarthy is at the top.

While Garrett has only coached 76% of McCarthy's career, he has less total challenges than McCarthy has challenges won. That's pretty crazy. He said Garrett was way too conservative with challenges and took the approach its better to save them and then a lot of the time, that time never came so they were wasted. 45 total challenges in 10 years seems very low, seeing as you get 2 per game x16 x10.

On 2nd and 10, McCarthy was towards the top of the league in passing the ball. Garrett was towards the bottom.

That is the biggest difference for me. The approach on 1st and 2nd downs. 2nd and 10 was a running down for us. Never failed. And we would always get into 3rd down, many times 3rd and long. McCarthy actually prefers to pass on 2nd and 10. Now lets see if that changes now that he has Zeke and Dak as opposed to Rodgers and no real run game.

Bob said 2 of the biggest reasons McCarthy gets the label as being a Garrett like conservative coach is a few instances. One being the 2014 NFC championship game against Seattle. Where he kicked a FG on 4th and goal from the 1. They scored on 5 possessions before the 4th qtr and only had 19 points. 1 TD and 4FGs. I remember that game and he definitely went the route of Turtle Tom and tried to run the clock more than trying to actively win the game. I thought that was a huge blunder. They should have easily won that game.

And the other instances is he had a tendency to get conservative in playoff games.

But he definitely does not run an antiquated early 90s offense like Garrett.

Considering the lack of running back talent in GB during his tenure, it makes perfect sense to ignore the run some.

I doubt things will be exactly as we've seen in GB. I suspect he will evaluate his players, and personnel (as any good coach would do), and play to the teams strengths.

What I do expect is to see is our running backs used in more passing situations. I've heard many here complain of how we don't utilize it enough. Well, prepare to be heard.
 

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The Zeke Contract is looking worse and worse to me.

I think we’ll get more bang for our buck now out of Zeke. McCarthy’s offense features a lot more swing passes and screens and backs running routes than did Garrett’s. Zeke will get the ball a lot more in open field now and that is a good thing.
 

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So did most Packers fans hate him this much, or are you kind of an outlier?

Here's the" McCarthy Fired" thread from the Packers Forum so judge it for yourself. Interesting read

https://www.packerforum.com/threads/mike-mccarthy-fired.81788/


I thought this one post summed up the average, but certainly not all, Packer fan's thoughts;

"I wanna thank Mike McCarthy for the 13 years he gave for this team. He came in and cleaned up the mess that Mike Sherman left and brought a Title back to Green Bay but the time was up and it was time to move on."
 

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One guy went to Princeton riding on his dad's coat tail and then got everything given to him without working for it. Including his coaching career
The other worked at the Pennsylvania turnpike toll booth to support himself while working as a coaching assistant for free to get his foot in the door.

One got a free ride, the other worked himself up the coaching ladder. White collar vs Blue collar.
That should tell you the difference between the two psyche.

Pretty much what I was going to say.

McCarthy actually knows what he is doing. :laugh::muttley:
 

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I don’t recall him getting a hard time

Seems like he quit around the time he couldn’t link to his articles anymore. Which was a really stupid move by his employers IMO
Yeah he might also call designed screens with Zeke and Pollard, which are pretty hard for the defenses to defend.
 

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If it’s McCarthy year 1 or 2 I agree with him. If it’s McCarthy year 12 or 13 like it was Garrett year 10 I’m not so sure. It’s probably not a fair comparison TBH. McCarthy got 4 wins in 12 games with a team that a first year coach just went 13-3 with. I think McCarthy’s 2018 was as bad or worse of an effort as Garrett’s 2019.

The Packers signed some pretty good free agents prior to the season. The team was not the same team McCarthy had when he was fired.

https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay...agent-signings-zadarius-smith-fills-no-1-need
 

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I didn’t say it does. I specifically mentioned that the argument of whether to pay RB’s or not is still an argument to be made.

what I’m saying is. McCarthy being hired doesn’t mean Zeke will be any less productive or part of the offense, than he was with Garrett as HC. Production can come in various forms.

And what I am saying is that you payed Zeke like the leading rusher in the NFL year in and year out. I don't see that happening with McCarthy and his offense. As I said, you can hire a guy who catches balls out of the backfield and gives you 15 carries for much cheaper. Like it or don't, it's true. The contract is looking worse and worse to me.
 

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If I'm McCarthy Zeke is on a very short leash. A bit of time to get with the program, and you better, or I'll find a way to pull a Hershel Walker deal. Jimmy all over again. No favors. Straight football. No clownage. No dogging it. U clown U out. U dog U out. U putter u out. U pout U out. U be stupid in public places U out. Be absolutely elite. He was paid to be absolutely elite. Zeke who? Show me. For the record I think Zeke is elite but it's going to take a hell of a coach to see it again. Because he is a lazy clown. Sign of the times. I give him 2 more years here at best really.

Could be right. A lot will depend on how much authority he has with the team and how much Jerry will allow him to actually coach.
 

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Interesting—after the hire I asked my buddy who’s a diehard Packers fan about McCarthy. His first comment was “he won’t give up on the run.”

I don't think he gives up on the run but it's not the same as being a run first team. Look back on those GB teams and see what the numbers say around the Offense. Are they running a balanced Offense or is it heavily weighed towards the run?
 
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